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High SMV men are interesting, exciting and stimulating for women, but intense Self-Improvement is a highly boring process?

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February 6, 2019

In that women expect most High-SMV men to be exciting and stimulating vs. boring (self-improvement). I'm able to constantly, consistently engage myself with the second. How do these two reconcile? Should "self-improvement" include dedication to more conventionally exciting hobbies?

I'm assuming tight game---> that covers an aspect of exciting/stimulating that I'm not talking about.


Why is self-improvement boring for you?

I don't find it boring at all. I'm referring to others' perception of the above, and what's considered "exciting" (which is undeniably important to Game)

Edit 2:

girls want the final product bro, not the marathon

^ Several comments have said this.

The marathon is never ending---but whenever a girl checks you out, she sees a final product. The question is how to make that final appearance look as interesting as possible (even if it already is), when the self-improvement process itself looks disciplined and boring (in a way)?

Edit 3:

Frame's wrong, hot stuff. Don't be givin fucks about others' opinions, man.

^ Few have said this as well. I don't do stuff unless I choose to, want to. The fact remains, women are hot---and I want in, literally.

Girls often prefer fun hobbies in male. Some men, too, would probably recommend I branch out into more fun hobbies. I somewhat agree with that, but I don't know to what extent yet. Trying to figure that out.

tldr: FUUUUCCKKKKKK (For real tho. I've had this thought in mind for a while, and this discussion really helped me nail down what I want to do).

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Title High SMV men are interesting, exciting and stimulating for women, but intense Self-Improvement is a highly boring process?
Author MatrixofLe3adership
Upvotes 118
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Date 06 February 2019 07:48 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]obiwanshighground82 points83 points  (6 children) | Copy

High SMV is a byproduct of self-improvement. It doesn’t necessarily matter what it is you’re working toward, but if you’re showing passion and drive towards that thing then that’s what gets people going. This doesn’t just apply to women either. I can recall hearing people talk about what you might think is a super boring subject, but they were so into it that it became interesting.

Another thing: don’t improve yourself for the sole purpose of validation from others. Remember, self-improvement is about YOU. Pursue what YOU think is engaging and interesting. Don’t base your activities on what you think other people will like

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Another thing: don’t improve yourself for the sole purpose of validation from others. Remember, self-improvement is about YOU.

easier said than done

[–]bbcbarbarossa 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

So you live life in the self improvement almost friendless mode for a while and reap some benefits and cycle?

I guess that's why they call it monk mode.

[–]obiwanshighground17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

No. Not unless you have access to the hyperbolic time chamber. You make improvements to yourself while still continuing to live your life. No one ever said that you have to only focus on self improvement and put the rest of your life on hold

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude that'd be sick.

[–]ThighSavesLives3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hypeebolah mime chamber, hyperglycemic crime chamber, hypeebonic shrine chamber, hypertonic lion tamer

[–]boy_named_su110 points111 points  (6 children) | Copy

Women want the final product, not the work in progress

[–]FalconWrite74 points75 points  (4 children) | Copy

That's right. It's just like how most fast-paced action movies with tons of fight scenes, high-speed chases and explosions are actually extremely boring when in the process of being filmed. All that monotonous set building, lighting adjustment, audio calibrating, and then take after take with no sound besides what the actors are saying and noise in the studio. And before that, think about the hours spent writing the script, proofreading it, editing it, formatting it. And all the numbers that have to get crunched for production expenses, cast/crew payroll and filming location reservations. And then think about the hours of video editing in post-production that need to go into making just one scene ready for the final cut.

Over a thousand super fucking slow days and long nights of tedious and repetitive tasks that ultimately culminate in like 90 minutes of entertainment that the audience actually gets to see. That's a man's self-improvement and women in a nutshell.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

This analogy is honestly so brilliant it should be a stand alone post

[–]dpgproductions9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well said

[–]IvyExcess2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent analogy. And "playing the game" and "winning" are selling DVDs of the finished film. Once the film is made, you are constantly editing (self-improvement) but the next customer only sees the best version of the DVD.

[–]geo_gan5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is why I hate assholes who pirate all the movies they watch. Their entire attitude is me, me, me, I see no value in the work involved in making this movie, just entertain me for free while I half pay attention to it, and don’t give anything back to the creators, while I tell all my loser friends how good/bad it was.

Their attitude is exactly like most women’s attitude to a valuable man - I don’t care how you got the value or how long it took, I just want to benefit from it for free, in take, take, take, me, me, me mode until they move onto next latest greatest new release.

[–]Zanford22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy

Learn to make it interesting.

Anyway there's no paradox. "Women don't want to run the marathon with you, they just want to meet you at the finish line."

[–]geo_gan3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

More correctly, they just want to wait at the finish line for the winner.

[–]Zanford0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yup. "Meet you...or whomever gets there first"

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

This reminds me of some red pill wisdom I once read. That you should work like a madman when you're alone so that everyone thinks you're a badass effortlessly.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy

yeah that's pretty much what I do until people eventually figure out I'm disciplined as fuck

[–]SwoleyMoleyFrijoley11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy

I would check out books on charisma. A charismatic person can make boring ass shit fun as fuck by being present and making the person you're doing it with feel special at the time.

As far as appearance goes, my tinder never got more matches than when I had strongman competition pics on there, a guitar pic, a dog pic, etc. Made slaying Tinder THOTS easy mode.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

The Charisma Myth is my crack. Not lifting competitively or do the others, and I don't think a book has quite the same effect lol. Hence the topic of this post.

[–]TheYoonFather0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I know this is an old post but I’m just wanting you to clarify, are you saying that The Charisma Myth book is good and worth the read?

Thanks in advance

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes. Along with 48 Laws, the Power of Now, and How to Win Friends and Influence People, I find myself using its teachings on a daily basis. We are blessed that the authors put these things into writing for us.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (9 children) | Copy

Your terminology lacks depth. I need specifics to quantify a particular response that will contain any substance.

Passion. Women don't really give a shit what stage you are in as long as you are passionate about your interests. That is stimulating. What you do alone by yourself is not important to a woman. If you tell her that you do Raja Yoga 2 hours every day, you can talk about your different postures, the effects and benefits and all of that is stimulating.

You can tell her you train BJJ or that you cook great foods or lift heavy as fuck. She doesn't want to be a part of that and she doesn't need to be. She wants the results and those are consistently increasing unless you are a half ass twit that reads and does not apply.

There are women that are in the same stage as you, on the same journey as you in many ways, these are the best women for you. As you adapt and grow you can either keep these women or move onto others that are aspiring to even higher goals or at the level you desire.

All power comes from striving, most striving and struggling happens while no one is looking and they will say you are lucky, they will say it's easy for you. They are right, you are lucky and it is easy, because you have mastered yourself..

Best I can do with this.

[–]3chazthundergut12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't worry about being interesting or exciting around women.

Worry about being masculine and holding your frame.

Women find masculine, strong men exciting the same way we find hot women exciting. You dont need to entertain her or be interesting. Do you care if Kate Upton is boring and goofy? Fuck no. Her tits are interesting enough. Same with men.

Your masculinity is enough to turn her on.

I am an intelligent, funny, social guy. I wasted a lot of time making women laugh, showing them how much fun I am to be around, keeping them entertained, etc. Got me nowhere.

Now women get very little entertainment out of me. I don't spend a lot of time showing them a good time or taking them fun places. What excites them is that I'm too busy to give them my time and too sleazy to give them my commitment.

They are excited by the chase, not me in particular. They are excited by whatever ridiculous things they imagine that I am doing when I'm not around them. They are excited by having a dangerous plaything that won't submit to them. And they are excited by the dicking down I give them.

TLDR- stay on your purpose. Focus on holding a masculine frame. Let the beta boys do the entertainment

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking nailed it. I don't need to go out and learn dancing, yoga, or some other bullshit to meet women if I have my own masculine life purpose.

[–]whatdidshewrite10 points11 points  (13 children) | Copy

Why is self-improvement boring for you

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

Thanks, see my edit to the post.

[–]Chadster1134 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Who cares what others think about how they view your self improvement

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Check out Edit 3

[–]jwarner95 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy

Are you self improving for the sake of adding self improvement, or are you doing things that genuinely interest you. When you're new to the game it's common to just throw things into your life so you feel like you're doing something. But after a certain point a genuine passion has to emerge. Nothing is boring when you're pursuing that passion, whether it be from your perspective or an outsiders.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy

I would grudgingly say a little of both. And that I think is because the shit I'm working at, while still a passion, is fucking hard and I'd be lying if I said I don't have to "force it" sometimes, or that I would rather let loose a bit more often. I'm still happy with the results of my work, but sometimes wonder if I'd be happier if I "maxed out" some of my interests by making 1 or 2 more fun things.

[–]jwarner95 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

Why not just replace one of the things you have to force with one fun thing. If you're confident you beat the shit out of your lazy old self then there's nothing but benefit from doing that IMO.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

This is a really good answer. I'm not forcing any one thing---just the amount of some time spent on it, so I can cut back and introduce something new. Thanks, that works for me.

[–]jwarner95 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy


[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

If you're confident you beat the shit out of your lazy old self

My own mother thinks I'm "too disciplined." That ship sailed eons ago.

[–]jwarner95 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy

Haha mine goes “stop improving yourself and get a girlfriend” the other week

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

*mom unknowingly admits that getting a girlfriend is not improvement

[–]Comeup42011 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

Girls don’t care about the way the product was made, they just want the final product

[–]FemtoG10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

self improvement IS boring, and a true alpha naturally has whatever the loser self-improver has to spend ages trying to fight for the biological logic to a woman in this area

[–]misls0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So essentially you shouldn't be bummed out if you're not getting results you'd "fantasized about" during self-improvement? <-- Essentially what I'm going through now.

[–]FemtoG5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

u shud be because it speaks to ur own failure of having an accurate objective idea of what u are capable of

but i was strictly speakin from women's perspective. if u have dealt with 8+/10 western women their level of entitlement and lack of

in the end, hot women need men because they need a friend. it goes that deep.

[–]elgodo716 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

Like Bill burr said they want a winner, they don't give fuck which winner, they just stand at the finish line..."

[–]jimBean96106 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy

A lot of the self improvement stuff here ignores what actually makes you good company. Being a good conversationalist and storyteller is very important for SMV, and can be improved in a structured way as well. Its not all lifting and learning game.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's still possible and I'm both, but I'd be better if I went after more "good company/storyteller" activities I'm interested in.

[–]EnhancedNatural0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Care to elaborate on the said structured way to improve storytelling please?

[–]jimBean96100 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I didn't mean to be specific about any particular activity. I just meant that whatever you are trying to improve, you can always create a structure around it to make sure you're improving and hold yourself to account. While it's easy to do this with lifting, charisma and social skills are a bit more complex and difficult to measure.

I wouldn't call myself a great storyteller but if I wanted to up my game I could probably work out some sort of plan: watching talk shows and interviews, listening carefully to more charismatic friends, thinking of one decent story a day, telling your best stories over and over etc. The key is having some way to track progress and hold yourself accountable though. Charisma is a myth. Everything is a skill to be improved.

[–]KillaJewels-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Well how about creating an authentic, meaningful connection? I feel like this is the golden nugget everyone here is ignoring. Nothing gets a girl more turned on than a good connection. It's a big part of good sex too.

[–]Chuck__Bass6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your frame is incorrect, your title seeks validation from women. Who cares if they think your passions are boring or not? Do you care what your 5 yr old nephew thinks of your passions?

[–]kellykebab6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

The fact remains, women are hot---and I want in, literally.


[–]redvelvet_oreo5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

Self Improvment requires discpline, self reflection, patience, logic and will power. These things will improve your life, career and well being.

When you flirt and game women its a different set of rules. If your just meeting a girl you need to be fun and exciting but what does that mean?

First of all when your gaming women you need to get out of your logical mindstate. Remember women are emotional creatures. You have to spike their emotions. Put them on a emotional roller coaster. Say crazy shit. Lead them to places (this is why venue changing is a good game tactic. Its shows your a leader and establishes comfort in different enviorments) Be psychial. Tease them. Push/pull. Escalate then close.

After successfully plating a girl your investment needs to decrease. She needs to see your busy. Dont always make time for her. The 80/20 rule is golden. Once she sees your not a person is overly investing her and that she has to chase you you in her mind are a high status dude. In her mind if she has to chase you its likley you might have other bitches, why cant I get his attention? The hamster starts to spin and spin.

You can be a successful dude and seem high status but if your a lame fuck once you start talking to a girl it dosent matter what you do unless she just in it for the money. Being high value to yourself is one thing and high value to a women is another.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hey thanks for the write-up. Most of this is on game which wasn't really the point of the post, but...

With your last point, assuming tight game which I have, being high value to yourself is valuable to women. My question that I tried to highlight in the post attempts to figure out how I want to maximize my own value.

[–]redvelvet_oreo5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sorry I skimmed through was on the subway.

Girls often prefer fun hobbies in male. Some men, too, would probably recommend I branch out into more fun hobbies. I somewhat agree with that, but I don't know to what extent yet. Trying to figure that out.

Dont do fun hobbies for the sake of other people. Find fun hobbies for yourself. Fun hobbies that you like may not translate to other people in your social circle.

For example I love house music. I love dancing, I love going to underground clubs and chilling dancing for 9 + hours. I learn to DJ for fun when I have time. Some people like going to the shooting range, some like hiking, some like playing chess. Depends on what you like. Hobbies you find interesting will lead to you different paths. I like DJing and house music so I find places where people like the same thing. I gave up trying to get people interested into what I am into. Some people do follow along cause they see me enjoying my self but IDGAF if they wind up liking it or not. Most of the time I rather they werent with with me and I meet other people and form different social circles outside of them. This can lead to finding attractive women that are into similar things as you.

Its also a facet of Frame. Its my reality. If someone chooses to enter it and go along for the ride then so be it.

[–]Bigboost922 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

To make it look as interesting as possible? It has to be the best combination of options. You have to max out the categories. That’s the rarity, that creates the scarcity thinking that drives the selective pressure towards you.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

So maybe I'm lacking some of the better options. Too much studying, reading, lifting?

[–]Bigboost920 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

These things take time. Don’t get caught up in small-details-itis. Find shit that you find interesting and go explore that.

[–]buttgoogler2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The question is how to make that final appearance look as interesting as possible

I feel like I don't even wanna make it look interesting. I'm interesting because that's how I am. Appearing interesting for women is the last point on my check-list, and it's not because I transformed into a such pussyslayer.

The reason behind it is that after red pill I don't even care about women. Game is fun sometimes, for sure, but currently I don't see women being anything worth my time.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm at exactly the same point, the difference being that I'm willing to consider the point in this discussion for my own benefit and fun.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Maybe look into some adventurous self-actualizatizing hobbies. A few of my favorites and their benefits are listed below.

Climbing/ bouldering: improve your strength while having some adventures/ meeting new people/ overcoming fears

Hiking: improve fitness and personal constitution while exploring

Photography: build a practical artistic skill, create a more meaningful social media presence (if girls check your Instagram to find a bunch of really nice photographs of your activities, you become more interesting to them generally). Photography may not pay well, but it has gotten me front row tickets to more than a few concerts, and gives me an excuse to experience life (and maybe you can offer a free portrait session, which can quickly become a nude session)

Play music: good stress relief, mentally stimulating, enjoyable to be around.

I'm not saying dont go to the gym and earn your money, but well selected hobbies should improve you while making you more interesting.

Sorry for any errors, I'm on my phone and it's late here

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I've thought about photography---I find it interesting, but I don't have a phone or social media, and too many people live behind a screen trying to fulfill some stupid agenda rather than living the moment.

I'll be getting back to my roots doing masculine things outdoors.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good on you about the phone, and getting back outside! I love photography personally, but you can find your own activities that are -as an old instructor put it- "type 2 fun": fun that is sometimes hard and frustrating, where the satisfaction comes 8n the form of long term self satisfaction

[–]Terdmuffin1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nobody wants to see how the sausage is made or get their hands dirty making it... But everyone wants that kielbasa.

[–]RedHoodhandles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Your title. Yes.

[–]mrpoopistan0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

how to make that final appearance look as interesting as possible

Let's see . . . finance is boring as hell. Guys in finance make it interesting by adding cocaine, expensive restaurants and hot cars.

In other words, be highly conspicuous in your displays of improvement.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Nice. Makes sense I guess.

[–]Chadster1130 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Edit 4:


[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Pre-Assumption 1" actually. Lifting doesn't count.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

don't view self improvement as a marathon or a race or anything like that. its like a sculptor, spending his time to craft a block of marble into a masterpiece

[–]light-----------dark 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Totally relevant consideration..

Perhaps she should only be experiencing the interesting, exciting, and stimulating aspects which happen to be a result of the highly boring self-improvement process.

Not sure that enough time should be spent with a woman where she understands the nitty gritty of why a man is high SMV - this is where the mystery starts to fade, excitement can diminish, and so forth.

For example, my partner doesn’t watch all of the different meditations I practice each day to properly perform tantra on her when we are together. She just knows that she gets wet like she’s never been before as a result of the work that I do - this is exciting and stimulating for her.

Another example, most women aren’t pumping iron with the chads they are fucking in the gym. . They are just getting the tingles and feelz as a result of fucking a Chad with a nice body.

Additionally, a lot of the interesting, exciting, and stimulating experiences a woman has with a man is 90% mental, which is mostly derived from the frame and state of mind of the male.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, exactly. She's going to notice that locked door at the center of your castle---but you never let her in to actually see the mechanics of what makes you (and her) tick and have fun.

Another example, most women aren’t pumping iron in the gym with the chads they are fucking. . They are just getting the tingles and feelz as a result of fucking a Chad with a nice body.

Like I said elsewhere, lifting doesn't count as a "share with others" hobby for me.

Additionally, a lot of the interesting, exciting, and stimulating experiences a woman has with a man is 90% mental

I have that shit nailed down. The question is the other half---action, and figuring out which actions/activities I want to prioritize.

[–]raoko0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Look, your suppose to be in monk mode and not give a shit. I do however believe that you should practice on having confidence with girls. So once in a while just talk to a girl. Could be at a club, store, school and etc...

Girls like ambition. Just be the best at anything you enjoy.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Supposed to?

Dude the women will come as soon as I open the floodgates. The issue is what activities I choose to do (that will just so happen to work with girls as well).

[–]raoko0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Dj, ballroom dancing, good at dancing at clubs( also being known by everyone there), hosting events( girls love networking with men that plan parties ). I like meeting girls at pick up soccer games threw meetups. I’m also a really good dancer so I can dance whoever I want as long as they know I’m a good dancer(Latin dancing).

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't really care for dancing or music tbh. And I virtually can't play team sports anymore due to concussion and injury concerns so that really limits things.

[–]bannedfromWTFmod0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Its boring cause it requires time alone, self reflection and lots of reading on how to improve.

I've done it, I did a year ago and I need to do it again after ignoring my gut and thinking i found a unicorn, but AWALT man. It's obvious I learned the knowledge but ignored the teachings cause I had a really passionate relationship that crashed hard. I dont cry and I scream cried when I got home after the dump. Learning lesson.

My smv is high-low cause I'm in the low 7 figure wealth range, I own my home in upscale suburb but it was all inherited and I own two small blue collar business but I have a bad sports injury that is causing them to fail as I cant work and am in pain.

In short, focus on getting mad game and mad conversation skills. Learn to speed read a girl and know what is likely to turn her on. Be intense in a sexual nature while seeming playful. Always have plausible deniability for your subtle verbal sexual advances and the plausible deniability needs to be comical.

Some girls are hard to read but remind yourself you arent* beta Billy who is there to love her and be t h e o n e for her.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hey thanks for the personal experiences. I'm really good at reading people, but generally w/ girls I'm interested in, it's not particularly important. They all respond to the same things (i.e. women are women).

A rule I'm going to test out is to never fuck the same girl twice in a row. That could help with your Oneitis.

[–]bannedfromWTFmod0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Def! I meant to say you're not a beta Billy to blah blah.

Im over the oneitis, knew it was ending but didnt see it coming.

Second date ton with a solid 9 conservatice Mexican girl and plans to have her over sat. Date with a 6/7( single mom.... more like a 5 but w/e) fri at a bar and I'm chatting up multiple hotties on this hinge app I found Tues. Getting a lot of good matches there.

Another good rule is never fuck a girl the same way twice!

[–]Velebit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women that have fulfilling lives do not depend so much on a guy as a source of anything except dick and attachment.

There are also plenty of women who are introverted and closed minded meaning excitement and stimulation is unpleasent for them. I am from eastern Europe and rarely any girls here are into what Canadian, Australian and American tourists are into: all night partying, hiking, ziplining, rock climbing, yoga, hot yoga, international or intercontinental travel, riding bycicles.

People here sit in a park/bar with a bottle of liquor for half a day and then go home to eat and sleep.

High smv people do that as well. The highest smv guys I know lead exceedingly boring routines.

If you want an exciting life become a party photographer or a coach of some silly skill that requires you to travel because of lack of market in one place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't have a good answer for this. I've pulled a lot of tail with my charisma, but when you're apart of a consumer culture, you are abstracted to a product of entertainment. I've gotten tired of that and simply coast on being boring with moments of charisma when I feel like it. When I think about it, I'd guess that you're supposed to be "on" for the limited amount of time you're interacting with plates. The rest of the time you can be monk mode or fucking-off with whatever your goals are (the majority of your total time).

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here’s a unique experience.

A little background; in my younger days two of my closest boys and I cooked up and executed one of the biggest scams of our lives. When the story broke in the news it was reported that we stole a huge amount of value. Think six figures.

That said now I'm on the other side I'll let you know what the biggest commonality; and also the biggest key I found is; IMAGINATION.

Its hard to understand how to protect yourself from something you're not capable of conceiving 

Why did 9/11 change the world? It changed the world because we couldn't conceive it. Couldn't even imagine it happening let alone predict it.

You don't have to be evil. You just need a greater imagination. To train your mind to conceive the unconceivable. Master this and you're already ahead.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]KettleLogic-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy

There are hobbies for you and hobbies for them. No one wants a detailed breakdown on how you are improving yourself that's self indulgent.

When I say I go to the gym I don't go on to tell them that when I get there I lay down my towel put this many kilos on because last week I did this many kilos then do this many reps, but then failed so had to drop it. There are some things for you and some things for them.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

What the fuck, I don't do that. I'm wondering whether I should cut back on my "for me" hobbies and pursue some "can share with everyone" hobbies (say soccer league or partying).

My "for me" hobbies can be really fucking hard and boring if I spend too much time on them. So yeah, I'm thinking I should cut back and branch out. As I told another commenter, discipline and laziness has long ceased to be an issue.

[–]KettleLogic3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

I sit for 9 hours on a saturday waiting for alcohol to drip one drop at a time into a glass jar to make whiskey. Girl find my hobby extremely interesting when in reality it's the most boring shit in the world. It's all about how you talk about it.

It's fine to have for you hobbies, I don't think I really have any hobbies any of the girls I go on dates with would join in. I can still talk about them without the girl being bored.

[–]MatrixofLe3adership[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol that's great. One of my friends does that and wants to open a brewery.

2nd paragraph. That's totally fine, and what I currently do, but personally I'm starting to think developing some "join in" hobbies would help max out my time and happiness.

[–]KettleLogic2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes that'll help for sure. You could also just try things without them being hobbies. Indoor climbing, skating, swimming. There's plenty of shit out there you can try together without it having to be your hobby.

[–]nexther0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There’s always ways you can improve... there is no finished product. Show the girl what you’ve currently got and own it. If she likes it, she can join your journey. Always be gaining power.

If you think self improvement is boring, then you’re doing it wrong. It is hard to get it started, but when you’ve got the momentum, it becomes fun and you can get creative with self improvement. You should be improving your life to something fun and exciting that girls want to take part in.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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