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White House: The '77 cents' wage gap figure isn't accurate, but they'll use it anyway

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April 8, 2014
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Title White House: The '77 cents' wage gap figure isn't accurate, but they'll use it anyway
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Date April 8, 2014 5:14 PM UTC
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[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger52 points53 points54 points 12 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link

Myth: A woman and man with identical jobs doing identical work earn different wages. The woman earns 77% of the man's wage because she is discriminated against for being female.

Fact: If you add up the salary of every woman with a full time job in America, then divide by the number of women; then add up the salary of every man with a full time job in America, then divide by the number of men, you get a bigger number for the average male salary. We're told the average woman salary is about 77% of the average male salary. I couldn't tell you if that's accurate.

Why is the woman number lower? Because (N1+N2...+NX)/X doesn't take a person's job into account. The number of male CEOs, top tier attorneys, computer tycoons, oil and gas tycoons, experienced engineers, PhD scientists, and..you get it...outnumbers the females in those fields. Even in decent-paying non-college educated fields, like being an electrician, plumber, machinist, or mechanic, men outnumber women. The number of female educators, administrative assistants, nurses, paralegals, and flight attendants exceeds the number of men in those fields.

Females work in lower paying job sectors than men, on the average. Feminists would have you believe that this is because the system is rigged against women from their first day of first grade, when teachers treat boys better, all the way to cigar-smoking fat cats in nice suits sitting in dark rooms discussing ways of keeping women from becoming CEOs. The real reason is that most women are more risk-adverse than most men. Back when I was an engineering major, we had quite a few women in the engineering school. 90% of them where majoring in chemical engineering. Why? Because they'd taken chemistry in high school. It was familiar to them. None of them wanted to jump into electrical engineering or aerospace engineering. That would risk getting bad grades by having to take 18 credit hours of completely unfamiliar subject matter their first semester of college.

My wife started college as a pre-med major, then decided to become a teacher instead. She says it's because she worked as a tutor one summer and fell in love with the idea of working with kids. The real reason is that majoring in biology is just the beginning. She'd have had to prepare for and take the MCATs, apply for med school, pass med school, do a residency, and really bust her ass. Or she could make straight A's throughout college, be done with school in 4 years, get a job in a field that was hurting for applicants at the time, that most people respect, and marry someone with a bigger salary. She chose the less risky path of least resistance. If the situation were reversed, I'd have done the exact opposite.

[–]pcadrian 9 points9 points9 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Excellently put. Beautiful analysis.

Related to your wife going into teaching, back in college when I tutored math, I have met countless female students who "studied math" to become high school teachers rather than pursuing actual mathematics. Every single one I spoke to confessed that they loved math since high school. Translation: real college-level math owned their ass. It was no coincidence that women outnumbered men in math education majors, but when it came to pure math majors, men STRONGLY outnumbered women.

[–]1FloranHunter4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago [recovered] (0 children) | Copy Link

The sad thing is that high school mathematics isn't even entertaining. It's almost all rote application of formulas. This changes a bit in calculus but not by much.

Talking to my friend that's an actual mathematician, it's like even the most boring-sounding stuff is actually really interesting because he has to approach things with so much creativity. Plus the way of breaking down functions is fascinating for me.

[–]Glenbert5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Bullshit!

Mary Barra, first female CEO of GM, gets paid half what her male predecessor made!*

*note, not actually true

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They needed her running the show at GM in hopes to get a uber pussy pass on the defects coverup...

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The interesting statistic I want to see is not so much how much money a man or a woman earns on average per hour of labour - but how much money a woman consumes compared to a man per hour of productive labour...

Include the money spent on them by men, the gifts, the shoes bought with the family budget, etc.

This is the real tragedy.

[–]1FloranHunter2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I sometimes compare this to measuring how much workers and owners produce and concluding that the proletariat are exploiting the bourgeoisie*. It doesn't matter that workers do the most work when the owners reap the profits. Comparing salary is effectively equivalent since male wealth transfers to women through common marriage wealth, alimony, child support, and - this is a big one - taxation.

* To avoid any argument here, pretend Marx was right or something. This is mostly useful as a rhetorical device against feminist leftists.

[–][deleted] 4 points4 points4 points 12 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]puaSenator6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting enough, the more developed a society becomes the more clear the gender gap in careers becomes. Which goes completely against the feminist narrative who argue that career choices are social constructs. If we are becoming more egalitarian as a society, you'd also suspect gender differences in careers would also begin to erode.

But the exact opposite is happening. When given the choice, women will take on careers that are more traditionally female, while rationalizing their decision as a "personal" choice that has nothing to do with their gender.

Feminists are fucking renowned for this. They'll bitch and squeal all fucking day about how it's not fair that men dominate fields like engineering, yet when presented with the choice, feminists always choose some stupid fucking liberal art degree. They always hamster away that they aren't getting a STEM degree because patriarchy, and they want to follow their passion as a theater major or some dumb shit.

[–]1whatsazipper[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This would all be fine if we ignored them, but instead people pay attention to them and allow feminists to get policies implemented and laws passed, fucking shit up for everyone else.

[–]1FloranHunter2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or in other words, men pioneer burgeoning fields.

[–]colovick1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The same report from 2008 stated that when normalized for contributing factors like unpaid time off among other things, the actual gap is closer to 4-7%

[–]1FloranHunter1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My wife started college as a pre-med major, then decided to become a teacher instead. She says it's because she worked as a tutor one summer and fell in love with the idea of working with kids. The real reason is that majoring in biology is just the beginning. She'd have had to prepare for and take the MCATs, apply for med school, pass med school, do a residency, and really bust her ass. Or she could make straight A's throughout college, be done with school in 4 years, get a job in a field that was hurting for applicants at the time, that most people respect, and marry someone with a bigger salary. She chose the less risky path of least resistance. If the situation were reversed, I'd have done the exact opposite.

This is an excellent point for me because I'd love to be a teacher but it doesn't pay enough. If I were a sufficiently attractive woman then I could be a teacher and have enough money for the lifestyle I want. It simply isn't an option for men.

[–]zer0nix1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Become a professional, excel in your field for 10-20 years and then become a professor 'for the kids (health insurance)'.

[–]a_chill_bro0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love this fucking comment. That is all.

[–]rumcarmex0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is reversed...are you a doctor?

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Attorney. Not one of the mind-numbingly rich ones. But we do okay.

We actually met while I was in law school. I have little doubt that the fact that I was in law school (coupled with the perception, however wrong, that all attorneys are rich and successful SOBs) was part of my draw, because I wasn't much of a male specimen back then. I kept in shape, but I was a socially awkward nerd. I'd never been out of school or lived my life yet. Straight from high school to college to law school. Never had to work a day in my life, never really learned any useful or interesting skills. I could cook passably since both parents worked, and I could change a tire, but beyond that, I was on the path to get a job where I could pay other people to do manly things for me, because I sure as heck wasn't manly.

[–][deleted] 34 points35 points36 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“If I said 77 cents was equal pay for equal work, then I completely misspoke,” Stevenson said. “So let me just apologize and say that I certainly wouldn’t have meant to say that.”

If I lied to your face then I'm sorry because I don't know wtf I'm talking about.

[–]xdrunkagainx76 points77 points78 points 12 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

This whole wage gap is a manufactured distraction, they would rather have us fight each other for pennies than the real wage gap between the rich and the poor in this country.

[–]ss4james_46 points47 points48 points 12 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link

The sad thing is how well it's working...

I didn't fully agree 100% with occupy wallstreet but I heard that it was basically destroyed from the inside out by feminstss trying to get the male leaders to "check their privilege" and they started creating "safe zones" and all this other bullshit and it basically sabotaged the whole movement.

Of course there were the police designating shitty places for them to congregate and stuff like that but still.

[–]Clauderoughly40 points41 points42 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I didn't fully agree 100% with occupy wallstreet but I heard that it was basically destroyed from the inside out by feminstss trying to get the male leaders to "check their privilege" and they started creating "safe zones" and all this other bullshit and it basically sabotaged the whole movement.

Yeah the Social Justice crowd took over by coming up with some sort of insane system that decided who had the time to talk based on privilidge.

So of course the people who organized the core movement, mostly white straight males, got booted out or completely minimized to the point of being utterly powerless.

It ended up being run by angry lesbains, because gay women are the least privilidged apparently.

From then on the movement decended into the usual circus.

[–]ss4james_26 points27 points28 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ that's depressing.

But i bet understand how it happened, the white males who organized it were probably leftists who had their heart in the right place, but nothing else. Their inherent betaness (usually comes with being a bleeding heart liberal) allowed those feminists to inject that bullshit into the movement so they can selfishly get some attention and effectively hijack and ruin the movement.

Feminists are the worst because they genuinely think their idiocy is justified thanks to shitty academic gender studies fields. It's sad realizing how few of them will ever realize what they're doing. Even if they do change their ways, they'll hamster any personal responsibility out of the equation.

[–]Clauderoughly21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

When I am not at work, I'll try and find the article written by one of the core organizers of it.

It details how angry feminist lesbians highjacked the movement, and just became about committees and feels.

EDIT: I am unable to find the article, so I will paraphrase as best I remember it.

If you remember the early days of OWS they had a plain and simple message. It was all about reforming Wall St and the Financial system, and re instating things like Glass Stegal. It was a simple message that Wall St had grown too big, and needed to be reigned in.

Problem is, nothing gets social justice warrior's panties wet like the idea of fucking with Wall St. The idea of fucking with the rich, white cis Gendered 1% had them creaming, so the descended on the OWS movement like flies on shit.

First thing they did was get themselves involved in some of the main organizational committees, and implemented something called the "privilege pyramid" Basically your power and ability to have a say in decisions was inversely proportional to your location on the Privilege Pyramid (PP for short).

So, of course they wanted to make sure everyone was included, so they gave in on the idea of the PP and it all went to shit from there. The main organizers of OWS were all white, straight (ish) males so they were given the least amount of time and influence. The "least privileged" were of course gay women.

So the simple single of the OWS movement (economic reform), started getting drowned in a cluster fuck of noise as the SWJ crowd brought out all the usual list of bullshit to attach on the OWS movement. This completely destroyed any sort clear message so the media lost all interest and just started poking fun at OWS instead.

If you followed it like I did, you saw that message erode from one of economic regulation and reform (R&R) to R&R + gay rights + Trans Rights + Justice for women + Economic justice for 3rd world people + blah blah blah

The movement descended into a circus as all the individual groups splintered, and split, and splintered again until the core people who started it just gave up and went home.

[–]Hoodwink6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a video of an actual meeting of some activists inside some meeting room that showed exactly this. My jaw dropped when I saw it because I thought the men should have got rid of those women because if they were men, they would have been instantly banned for interrupting and being belligerent. And this is to their ''allies'' and every single man was there trying to appease them. At the time, I thought they were definitely FBI or hired by the banks to poop on the movement.

[–]TheDoctorMouse1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Preemptive thank you for the source-- it sounds like a fascinating read.

[–]grelknar1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

pls

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Was it the 4chan screenshot? That's all I've seen

[–]Clauderoughly0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

naah I saw a really well written article by one of the OWS founders, about how the social justice warriors highjacked the movement, and took it from a simple, economic and financial reform message to being a complete clusterfuck of all the usual SJW bullshit.

I can't find the article so I will paraphrase it as best I remember.

If you remember the early days of OWS they had a plan and simple message. It was all about reforming Wall St and the Financial system, and re instating things like Glass Stegal. It was a simple message that Wall St had grown too big, and needed to be reigned in.

Problem is, nothing gets social justice warrior's panties wet like the idea of fucking with Wall St. The idea of fucking with the rich, white cis Gendered 1% had them creaming, so the descended on the OWS movement like flies on shit.

First thing they did was get themselves involved in some of the main organizational committees, and implemented something called the "privilege pyramid" Basically your power and ability to have a say in decisions was inversely proportional to your location on the Privilege Pyramid (PP for short).

So, of course they wanted to make sure everyone was included, so they gave on the idea of the PP and it all went to shit from there. The main organizers of OWS were all white, straight (ish) males so they were given the least amount of time and influence. The "least privileged" were of course gay women.

So the simple single of the OWS movement (economic reform), started getting drowned in a cluster fuck of noise as the SWJ crowd brought out all the usual list of bullshit to attach on the OWS movement. This completely destroyed any sort clear message to the media lost all interest and just started poking fun at OWS instead.

If you followed it like I did, you saw that message erode from one of economic regulation and reform (R&R) to R&R + gay rights + Trans Rights + Justice for women + Economic justice for 3rd world people + blah blah blah

The movement descended into a circus as all the individual groups splintered, and split, and splintered again until the core people who started it just gave up and went home.

[–]ss4james_0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds interesting.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It still makes me wonder if the 1% manufactured that shit. I mean the media was doing everything they could short of giving the rich blowjobs to downplay the OWS, but it wasn't enough. OWS was rising. OWS was relatively organized and gaining steam. It was rejecting party affiliation. It was truly beautiful and frightening to watch

Then, like a superhero for the rich, in comes the SJW crowd. Disrupting everything. Interrupting everything to scream about rape or racism in the group. The entire thing could be summarized as "I know I wasn't there at the beginning, and laughed at you as it started gaining, but now that it's very popular, LETS TALK ABOUT MEEE!"

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They simply did not understand that every movement needs people with genuine leadership qualities, and that these aren't evenly distributed between the genders (sorry ladies!).

Over here in Oakland I saw something similar happening, the privilege checking that is, but it was not the feminization that over came the camp, but the deliberate, overt and at the same time subtle aggression of the police/agents of authority. Still, without the respected presence of the one of the most represented subsets of people who comprised the group (white men), the camp could not stand together. It was really interesting. The refusal to allow men to be men seemed to erode the thing from the inside out.

[–]SmellyJelly225 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Occupy Wall Street was a farce from the beginning. The idea that you can have a movement without leadership is Marxist nonsense that unfortunately lots of people (conservatives AND liberals) still believe. But yeah, OWS was invaded by a lot of shitty people early on that completely missed the point: hippies, SJWs, people that just wanted to party and use drugs, feminists, "people of color" who just wanted a pity party for their oppression, etc... Same way the Tea Party (which originally had a good purpose - cut govt spending) was hijacked by Christian fundamentalists, gun nuts, racists, birthers, etc...

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't just feminists. It was all the SJW groups trying to steal the attention fought for by organized white men who felt injustice on a macro level (instead of just about MEEE)

[–]SmellyJelly2218 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men v. women

Black v. white

Illegal immigrants v. native-born

Republican v. Democrat

Gay v. Christian

Bulls v. Knicks

All to obfuscate the real dichotomy: corporations that live off of government subsidies v. the poor workers that pay for it.

[–]cismaleishmael5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It's a bit dangerous to look at it as rich vs poor because then anybody who has more money than you will be seen as a potential enemy. I think the best way to look at this is as a thieves vs honest people, or liberty vs authority.

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the best way to look at this is as a thieves vs honest people, or liberty vs authority.

Just as in dating, the game is not fair but instead of complaining learn how to win. Play or get played. Forget about silly notions of "honest people" - we are all self interested. It's the "nice guy" syndrome but in business.

[–]cismaleishmael1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fine, whatever it is, it isn't rich vs. poor. There is nothing bad about being rich. There is something bad about screwing people over regardless of your wealth, however.

[–]colovick-3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

There's nothing inherently wrong with the way businesses run... The issue is in the lack of actual oversight to ensure workers see raises relative to company performance... Not all jobs are equal, but average pay being the same as 40 years ago is egregious when you consider the cost of living averaged 4% per year over the same timeframe...

[–]Senior Contributordeepthrill8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The issue is in the lack of actual oversight to ensure workers see raises relative to company performance...

Wtf is this bullshit? Nobody should force a company to pay employees more because the company is doing well.

Nobody is forcing an employee to stay. That employee can leave for greener pastures at any time. And if there are no offers, create your own and be self employed.

Abundance mentality is not limited to women.

It won't be easy but nothing worth it in this world is.

This is trp where personal accountability trumps all.

[–]colovick-1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally I'm doing well and working to do even better, but the fact remains that the latest companies are very to heavy in the way they pay workers and have been for decades... Yes this is trp, but the topic has dubious correlation, tangential at best... My point is that the value of labor stagnated due to a lack of oversight (something that is the government's job and is part of any serious economic theory). When the value of your money goes down 4% per year (on average) and on average the position you're in pays the same rate (on average), then the workforce gets poorer over time... In the same timeframe the CEO and almost everyone in upper management saw massive pay/benefit hikes... I'm not preaching communism or that the average worker should get a raise to 120k (which they would have with proper oversight), but stopping the trend is a good idea...

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

One can argue about the economic mechanisms involved, and sure, what or if any intervention is required but it is egregious indeed. North America is rapidly returning to a Victorian-era social-economic structure. The numbers don't lie and, frankly, one only needs to open their eyes to see it.

Do you want to be sending your future kids to school in bulletproof vehicles to avoid the pitchforks? Having a healthy middle-class, having suburban white picket fences creates a tide that raises everyone's boat - rich and poor. Henry Ford understood that - who was going to buy his cars?

[–]colovick1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Honestly the only way to bridge the gap in the current market is to work the system... The best way to make money is to not rely on banks as much as most people do now... Cars used to cost under 10 grand (adjusted for inflation) because people didn't finance... Now you "buy" a car for 30, it instantly becomes worth 20 and you pay out 60 by the time you pay it off through regular payments... Just the act of paying cash for a car and never having a payment turns into 5 million by retirement if that payment is instead invested... If everyone behaved like this, the economy would crash temporarily, but prices would adjust down and things would become a lot more even than they are today, as well as people being happier in general since debt is a major source of stress...

[–]Endorsed ContributorRed_August0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. As an individual the smart and first thing to do is to work the system. It's hard to avoid debt when purchasing a home however but it's arguably considered a non-depreciating asset historically which in turn makes it easier to swallow. And to add to your broader point, the ease and availability of debt is what exacerbates our consumer driven boom and bust cycles - that's hard for everyone including the business owners.

[–]colovick0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Houses are considered the only "acceptable" debt by many experts, but it's still a good idea to pay it off ASAP or wait to buy for cash if you can... I only buy rentals with cash, but that's another story all together

[–]puaSenator11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you telling me politicians will leverage anything they can to get support?

[–]Texas_Rangers8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My econ professor, who also works for the FDIC, has said many times that the idea that women make less than men for equal work is simply not true.

The truth is, that men do make more than women, but it is not because of discrimination. It is because men typically invest in higher education at levels greater than women. Studies show that a man and woman with the same background (school, degree, experience) will make the same amount.

TL;DR Women love playing dat victim card.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The corrections you guys are giving aren't right.

  • For Americans under 30, the average woman earns more than the average man.
  • Men and women in the same job with the same education on average earn the same wage (this is just common sense: if you could pay women less and get away with it, all of these employers would aggressively seek to replace men with women)
  • The $.77 figure doesn't come from measuring salaries. It comes from measuring lifetime earnings, which is average hourly wage multiplied by hours worked over your lifetime. Why is there a difference? Because women on average work many fewer hours per year than men. If you account for this difference, the "wage gap" drops to $.95/$1. Understand how fucking insane the position of the White House is: it's a problem the people who work less aren't paid the same as people who work more and who do the same job.
  • The real difference in wages is between women who are or have been married and everybody else. These women spend many fewer hours working than everyone else and drop the number of hours worked and average salary for women. It's important to make the distinction between never married and single because a 40-year-old divorced woman with two kids counts as "single".

For more on this, I recommend the work of Thomas Sowell. Find him on YouTube and read his books.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know what sucks? A woman has to write something like this for it to be considered worthy of mainstream information channels.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

they'll say whatever female voters want to hear.

[–]General_Fear3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are many reason's why a man might make more than a woman for the same job.

Lots of women take time off to raise children. So when they return to the work force, the have fallen behind.

Men are willing to work in dangerous places that women dare not go. Like Saudi Arabia. This gives a man a boost in pay. Also, men move the whole family for a better paying job elsewhere. While women might not take a job across the country because the husband might make more money.

Studies have shown that women don't ask for pay raises. While alpha male men will stand up to a boss and demand a raise.

So let's review. Women play it safe career wise. They take time off from careers to care for children. Women don't assert themselves and ask for raises. And what do they do. Go running to government to bail them out for the lousy decisions. Like they always do.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women earn less ON AVERAGE because of the following:

1) Dropping out of the corporate career track to have kids, so they never become CEOs.

2) Not pursuing high-paying dangerous jobs like oil rig work, fishing, or electrical line work.

3) Not pursuing high-paying tech jobs.

No employer with a shred of sense would dare pay a woman less for the same work, and that has been the standard for many years.

All of this comes from my sociology professor a few years back, as well as the author of our textbook. None of this is because of a male-dominated employment landscape- it's because men have different priorities, and those priorities pay more.

The feminazis would have us all believe that women are paid unfairly... which is simply no longer the case. There's too much liability involved for an employer to dare pay unequally. The feminazis would also have you believe the woman answering the phones at a job site where men are at risk of being crushed or electrocuted deserve equal pay. I think not, and the economy works just fine by also thinking dangerous jobs warrant more pay.

[–]3eleven_2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a college girl argue with me about the wage gap myth on a second date. Of course, there was no third date.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRS730 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Clearly, this is a racist attack on Obama by racist, sexist shitlords.

Reality is whatever Obama and the state media say it is.

[+]simpson1997-6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OMG women are the backbone of our nation. Without them our economy wouldn't even exist. Your stupid. Learn to have some respect you worthless sack of faggot

[–]pcadrian -7 points-7 points-7 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm totally OK with the Equal Pay Act or whatever the fuck they call it.

Think about it - it is based on the premise that men and women are working side by side doing identical work. They're not gonna bring everyone's salary down to what women make. They're gonna bring it up to what men make. So that means I can put in the same amount of work/effort that a woman does, and my salary wouldn't change! It is a blessing in disguise: I can make the same amount of money for less work than what I do now, thus removing the incentive for me to work my ass off. This means at the end of the day I have more energy to pursue other things I am passionate about.

[–]HitlersCow7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

You seem to think a typical woman's idea of "equal" is the same as yours.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You seem to think a typical woman's idea of "equal" is the same as yours.

When a woman's out of work for three months because she's pregnant and her doctor puts her on bedrest for the last trimester, her employer should be required not only to pay her, but to pay her more, because she's doing harder work than any man by carrying a child.

BTW, if you disagree, you're a bigot. A bigot is the worst thing you can ever be. The word's full of murderers, child rapists, terrorists, despots, and serious criminals, but people like you Red Pillers who hate women are the worst.

[–]HitlersCow1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying what you think I'm saying.

I'm saying females in the US have a privilege they don't even know exists. Ironically they feel (keyword) as if they are be oppressed and thus need feminism and/or affirmative action. If understanding that makes me a bigot, then the definition needs to be changed.

Don't argue against a point I didn't make. Hate destroys your soul.

EDIT:

her employer should be required not only to pay her, but to pay her more, because she's doing harder work than any man by carrying a child.

Why even bring this up? Who cares? But I'll address it briefly. I disagree, but only because politically I disagree. It's not the employer's business to keep anyone alive or healthy or whatever. Work is contractual. You provide labor for a paycheck. No labor. No paycheck. Nothing to do with bigotry.

because she's doing harder work than any man by carrying a child.

Get this white knight feel good shit out of my face. Have you ever carried a child? Modern medicine makes C-sections a breeze. Being uncomfortable for a few months must suck balls, but your claim that she's doing harder work than any man is a bit off-putting. Have you ever worked in a coal mine? As a bomb technician? What about the President of the free world?

EDIT 2: I'm not really looking for an argument, just pointing out a few fallacies...

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah. I'm totally shitting with you. Calm down there.

[–]HitlersCow0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hohoho you got me good!

[–]1whatsazipper[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Archwinger is being sarcastic, mimicking the argument style of feminists/internet outrage police (SJWs).

[–]HitlersCow1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Swoosh

[–]1whatsazipper[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I think you'll be fired.

[–]Divinityfound1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If he worked in a right to work state, maybe.

Or they could just NOT hire women for that job since they would be out priced for the value they produce.

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