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Introduction - Slow gains

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Written in April 2019

This is my last resort. This whole thing, this married red pill stuff will make or break me, one way or the other.

I’m exhausted, frustrated, angry.

This is my first post on here, although I have been reading a lot. I started lifting about 4 months ago.  It’s a long read, so you fuckers might need a chair to sit this one out.

I am a 43y old man in a LTR with a 46 y old woman. We’ve been together for 23 years. We have two beautiful daughters (10 and 12). I met my wife at university when I was 20, she was a few years older and doing a post-grad. We fell in love and have been a couple ever since. I had sex with 2 other girls before I met my wife. She had the same number: two guys.

Most of the men on MRP went through the same scenario: hot and plenty of sex in the beginning, then gradually decreasing to (virtually) zero. My timeline is somewhat different. Sex has always been an issue in our relationship. It took 2 years before we had normal sex (P in V). Before that, it was hand jobs, some oral or climaxing on her tits or ass. Every attempt to normal intercourse was painful for her. She went to see a doctor but he couldn’t find anything abnormal. We talked a lot about it, I didn’t want to push or rush her. She felt bad about it, so I kept silent and hoped it would become better. It did, just when I was about to hit the road and break up with her (now I realize she must have felt something was off). From that moment on, the sex was relatively okay: plain, vanilla sex about 4  times a month. She never let me cum on her face or in her mouth. Anal was a big no-no. I never insisted to increase the frequency. Partly because I didn’t know better, I was blue pill, and I was in love with that girl and everything went well, apart from the sex.

We traveled a lot, we both had a career, great social life, we had friends, hobbies, a life...  Around 2005, we decided we wanted kids. The sex became more intense, more frequent. Only two months after she stopped taking the pill, she was pregnant.  During her pregnancy and many months after giving birth, sex went off the table. Two years later, when the second kid was born, same scenario.

Since daughter #2 (2008), sex has never been the same. Being intimate became a struggle. She was never into it anymore. I’ve heard every single excuse in the book: too cold, too hot, need a shower, just showered, feeling sick, ate too much, headache, kids are still awake, kids are asleep, tired, work to do, must watch show on tv , etc. Some months, we would still have sex 4 times, but only after I really insisted. Sometimes, we’d only have sex twice a month.  It became very functional intercourse (duty/starfish sex, as I learned on here).

In 2012, she decided unilaterally she would stop taking the pill. She suggested I could get myself a vasectomy.  I was not willing to do that at that time. Blue-Pill-me never argued and started using condoms or I just pulled out and came on her belly/tits. I hate condoms so I stopped using them and just pulled out every time. Risky business, I would say, but frequency had dropped to about 3 times per month, so who cares, right? While typing this, I now realize it’s been almost 7 years since I came inside my wife! 

Now, my wife was very happy with this situation. She couldn’t/can’t care less about sex, she literally told me a few times that she could live her life without having sex ever again without a problem.

Not so much for me, it became a real problem. I became resentful, frustrated, angry.

I tried every option in the book to change our situation:

I tried to talk logic with her: “Sex is part of a healthy relationship.”. Nothing changed.

I tried choreplay. The house was spic&span, hoping that I would be granted acces to her pussy.  Nothing changed.

After years, that didn't seem to work, so I drew the opposite card and acted extremely butthurt when denied. I would give her the silent treatment for days, neglecting the house and even my kids, thinking that would show her the way. Nothing changed.

I was blue pill, for sure, but not all the way.  I am controlling finances in our house, I have a relatively visible media job in my state and I do have some limited “star power”. I make 100k/year, I have a private pilot license. My kids come to me first to ask permission for something, I run the house like a tight ship and even my wife seeks advice for things. But in relationship stuff, including sex, I am blue pill and afraid to confront her.

In all honesty, she is a good mother for our daughters and not a bad woman. I read all these horror stories on MRP about nagging, lunatic and loose-canon spouses. That’s not my situation. Shit-testing is minimal, she’s good looking, in good shape and of sound mind … but the sex sucks. 

Anyway, in 2015, we endured a very long dryspell (months without any action). At one point, I just snapped and couldn't take it anymore. On a lonely night, when she went upstairs to sleep at 9 pm and left me all alone and horny downstairs, I opened an account on datingsite POF.

I never had any real street game (I never cold approached a girl), but my online game was pretty good. Within a week, I  was close with 3 ladies. I met up in real life with a HB7. Married, mid-thirties, in a dead bedroom situation. Eager to be fucked. So yes, I had an affair. Was that my best move ever? No, but it was all too much and I needed relief.

That fling opened a new world to me.  For the first time in 19 years, I slept with another woman, and that was an eye opener. It felt so extremely good to be with a woman that was actually enjoying sex, how cool was that?  She sucked me in a way I was never sucked before. She let me fuck her how I wanted. She let me cum wherever I wanted. I felt revived, what a joy!

My ‘plate situation‘ lasted a few months, until … until my wife found out. She found some messages on my phone from the HB7 chick and I confessed. Or actually, I partly confessed: I said we kissed and fooled around, I never admitted we had sex, there was no proof anyway. Whether she believes that, that’s unclear. We talked and we talked and we talked. I said I was unhappy because of the lack of intimacy, she was mad but said she understood and partly took the blame. After that shitstorm passed, the sex actually  picked up again. But old habits returned and frequency dropped to about 3x/month starfish sex again. So I’ve gone through all the scenario’s again: choreplay, passive aggressive, logic … I even showed her articles stressing the importance of sex in a relationship, I kept a score card, I was extremely nice, or extremely rude: to no avail. The sex was/is pathetic.

Fast forward to end of December 2018: it’s been a month without sex, and I am to blame for that as well, because after so many rejections and NO’s, I just stopped initiating. For the first time in 2 decades, I was really contemplating of leaving her. I was ready to have “the final talk” with her...  Then, on a dark winters night, I discover married red pill.

BOOM!

It was as if suddenly someone turned on the light in the dark room I have been walking in for more than 20 years. All of a sudden, I could see the objects in that room. And I finally understood how to not run into them. Inexplicable or seemingly random events from the past all made sense now.

I'll give you a few examples to make my point:

  • After she found out about my affair, the first week was all drama. Silent treatment, tears, anger, resentment; the full package. But in week #2, however, she all of a sudden became very sexual. She initiated sex twice that week (something she hadn't done in years). Out of the blue, things were possible that she never allowed before. I was flabbergasted and it didn't make sense to me AT ALL at that time, until I discovered MRP recently. She must have realized she needed to up her ‘girl game’ because she saw I had options.
  • Another example. As mentioned, my wife would agree to the deed on average only once or twice a month on - what looked to me - random dates. Thanks to my scorecard and a 'period calculator' I can now see that those sex days were on days she ovulated.

I slowly started implementing MRP in January. I read through MMSLP, NMMNG, WISNIFG, Pook, Way of Superior Male. Other books will be read soon. I started lifting, and slowly but steadily building muscles (I was skinny fat: 5’11” and 150 lbs). Showing more leadership in my house (be the oak), seeing old and lost friends again, started initiating with her again. All hard NO’s by the way, no sex for me so far.

One of the first things I did after my disovery of MRP was getting that vasectomy. 'Control the birth'. If it wasn't for my current LTR, I would be abe to fuck other women without risk if the need should arise.

In February,  my wife developped a full blown hernia and she couldn’t leave the house for days. Recovery has been slow since that day. She had a lot of pain for weeks. It’s only since the end of March that she’s off pain killers and able to function normally again. This slowed down the MRP process for me somehow. Of course, I kept working on myself in the background while assisting her in her recovery to the best of my abilities. But I stopped initiating . Her pain was real, I could see her suffer and I completely understand she – physically - couldn’t have sex.

She’s much better since April and I have been slowly initiating again, but still all NO’s. I tried to talk her into hand jobs or BJs (no back effort required, right?)  but been gettin hard NOs. She says she’s not feeling it right now because of her condition. I am willing to go along with that and don’t want to be an asshole, but I am afraid that her medical condition will now be the standard excuse for not fucking me.

Anyway, that’s where I am right now. No sex since early december and slowly adding MRP into my life. That’s enough for the introduction. I’ll follow up from now on in OYS and keep you posted about my progress...

Thanks for reading, good luck to you all.


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Title Introduction - Slow gains
Author canbelboy
Upvotes 12
Comments 42
Date 09 June 2019 09:05 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]OneSimpleThought8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like u not laying the wood right.

Has she EVER had a climax?

I'd leave, she has too much momentum. But hey, I don't love her.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy

Damn you talk a lot. Was there a question here? Stop negotiating desire, it's not going to work.

[–]canbelboy[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

I realise that it was a victum puke and awfully long. This text has been sitting on my desk for a while, I needed to vent. I will be shorter and more to the point from now on, will publish regular OYS.

[–]Cam_Winston210 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

One of the first things I did after my disovery of MRP was getting that vasectomy. 'Control the birth'. If it wasn't for my current LTR, I would be abe to fuck other women without risk if the need should arise.

We can all look forward to your OYS where you announce your STD after rawdogging a side piece.

Dude, you're 43, you won't be with any more virgins, wear a condom.

[–]canbelboy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

We can all look forward to your OYS where you announce your STD after rawdogging a side piece.

Dude, you're 43, you won't be with any more virgins, wear a condom.

LOL. Yes, I wasn't counting on virgins nor fucking without being wrapped in rubber. What I meant by that was not being afraid anymore of some chick trapping me into pregnancy or claimed fatherhood if I would decide to plate or next.

[–]BobbyPeruRed Beret2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He lost me at long read

It’s always filled with unnecessary info.

Keep it on point OP

[–]RPeed14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Get a divorce.

You’re welcome.

[–]FoxShitNasty836 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy

What are your lifts and body fat? Also where do you think you are on the levels of dread? What's your stay / go plan? Are you living your life for you?Exit plan?

P.s you talk a lot... Stop that. Stfu and escalate... remove time, attention, affection then presence... Then poof gone!

[–]RPeed0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy

remove time, attention, affection then presence

/u/longroad_518 I was thinking about this the other day. Have you read BPP’s book? This nugget is pretty much what I got out of it.

Probably the most challenging thing for me is keeping up game and kino while removing time and attention. The other way about just seems to come more naturally.

[–]FoxShitNasty836 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy

Agreed whole heartedly and needs personal calibration. Let me give an example so wife's not fucking me since forever and orbiting her is no way going to change that (needy). I'm off finding other stuff to do because its fun. I still joke around take the piss, slap her arse and kiss her goodbye but 90% of the time I'm living my life or owning my shit. Taking the kids away etc having fun. I invite her along but I'm leading myself now. I give her a bit of time and listen to her but there is zero point in trying to fuck someone who dosent want it from you. Become more self resilient take the pussy down your not a pussy crack addict, you won't die if you don't get it (I didn't). Sooner or later someone will find you attractive or you will find a woman of higher value. Getting out of the victim mindset and into a more positive (I'm going to be a super awesome guy / dad and fuck what anyone thinks) generate your own I am the prize mindset. you are the center.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

Yes. I just went full retard and embraced my narcissistic behaviors I used to try and suppress. Never been more happy and fulfilled. Poor wife doesn't feel great about it because I make her look like shit in comparison. She hit the wall and I hit my peak. Sucks to be her but the power is finally mine and her pussy isn't enough to pay me off anymore. Just wait until I get my money right.

Bobby Axelrod is my hero. I wanna be like Bobby when I grow up. Everyone is cannon fodder.

[–]FoxShitNasty830 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy

Interesting... had to Google about Bobby. Did you get crazy woman powerplays? I'm just dngaf and ignore her do my thing.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Yeah. I can always tell when a power play is coming. I get a hard no during the day, an excuse of needing to poop or something I can't give her shit about and she has plausible deniability. She will be a bitch to me all day buy grab my dick and tell me she wants to fuck at night. Then when I initiate she says no.

It happened last night. She said "I am going to go shower so we can fuck, go make me a cocktail. " I replied " Nah" and did my own thing.

Came back when done and she was pissy I didn't comply. "You know my love language is acts of service. You know how hard I worked all day and you can't even make me a cocktail?" I pressure flipped it and said "So you do your job and now I have to become your cocktail waitress? Are you fucking crazy?" All while smirking and obviously making fun of her. She tries another line and I took a note our of Countpudyoola playbook and danced around saying "Hoory we get to play marriage theater tonight. I'll play the concerned husband who actually gives a fuck. " She dropped the subject and I walked out of the room.

Later on the couch I initiate tons of kino and can tell she is super fired up. She says "I'm not even your friend why are you trying to kiss me. " I tell her I don't care if she is my friend and playfully take her pants off. She gets pissy and says "No, let's go upstairs to bed. " She again asks me for sex and decline and decide to go to a bar instead.

Today I got love letters and emails saying how sorry she was for bad behavior. I told her to show me with her mouth and come suck my cock, not her words. I just dngaf anymore.

BTW, had the best time being out last night. I went alone because my own company is great. Ended up hanging out with a friend and had some drinks on him.

Her hamster is going nuts today while I'm in the office and she can't get to me. I'm getting texts "Where did you go last night?" Ha. Guess who is going to be a complete whore tonight?

[–]FoxShitNasty831 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Hahaha I can feel one coming, it's pre shark week. Lost my shit last month and got angry, plan is to go cocky funny and stfu and leave rather than let her push my buttons till I explode

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good plan. I rarely ever get angry at her now at least. It used to be constant anger and frustration that she was a woman. Now I understand and don't hold it against her. Bitches be crazy, not their fault they have a vagina.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"You know my love language is acts of service.

How can you not burst out laughing when she says something like this? Love language. hahaha. So tempting to AA with the word cocktail.

[–]useful_stranger1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hahahahaha “my love language is acts of service“ mine says the same thing!! Textbook shit test.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

Yep, I've read it twice now. That was my biggest takeaway as well. Trying to put it into practice lately. My failure is I've been removing presence and affection along with time and attention.

[–]BostonBrakeJob0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

My failure is I've been removing presence and affection along with time and attention.

Why do you see this as a failure?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Effectively I've been 'checking out' completely. Not just being busy but not being the fun guy to be around. Not giving any affection. Not giving my presence if I am around.

So it's not just "I'm going out, see you later" - happy me, kiss her goodbye. It's "bye", turning around and leaving. BPP makes it clear that her being in a shitty mood = affection and time removal. But not remove affection and presence. That should only be for repeated sexual denials.

If presence = giving affection, positive emotions and influence, and acting like a good husband, then yes I've failed because I remove this along with time/attention. You can remove time/attention - go to the gym, etc but at some point you will have to be around your wife for a few minutes. You can't go all robotic / rambo (see me) and just have zero emotional response during these times.

[–]canbelboy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Stfu and escalate... remove time, attention, affection then presence... Then poof gone!

Yes, that's what I started doing a few weeks ago. This text was a few months old, so in the meantime, I wrote a MAP and am following that. Will publish progress (or lack there-off) in OYS.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'm shocked that people put up with this shit. Even when I was a BP faggot I still made sure that I got laid often. If not, why be married? Why are you married again? For your kids? You have no drive in life and have settled with the idea you are a faggot who isn't worthy of sex until almost 50. You should be livid. With yourself faggot. What are you going to do about it? I'm disgusted with myself for wasting my work day reading your book. Get to work faggot, and stfu we don't care that you can write.

[–]canbelboy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate your honesty because it is correct.

Why are you married again?

Not legally married, we are in a common-law situation (I'm not in the US). Getting out would not be as much of a shitstorm as it would be in a legal marriage.

You have no drive in life and have settled with the idea you are a faggot who isn't worthy of sex until almost 50.

I agree with the latter and reading your words came as a shock because that's what it is: I've wasted about 25 years of my life 'waiting' for an interesting sex life. I disagree with the lack of drive in my life.

Get to work faggot, and stfu we don't care that you can write.

You made me spill my morning coffee, you basterd!

[–]MrChad_ThundercockBig Red Machine5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

“It was as if suddenly someone turned on the light in the dark room I have been walking in for more than 20 years.“

Yes. I had that same experience- I was blind but now I see moment.

You are very blue pill. You must work out of that. Study up, increase SMV. MRP will save you but not necessarily your married with her.

“No sex since early December”

Call your HB7 then.

“She had the same number: two guys.”

Still believe that?

Y= 2X+x/2 (X= what she told you, Y= actual cocks ridden)

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

You tried to sell your wife the “Sex is part of a healthy relationship" articles - I hope your mindset is now, or changing to, "I need good sex, period" (with or without you implied)

[–]RedPill-BlackLotusRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The plate produced the behavior you desire, the wife didn't.

It's been decades.

The solution is easy and has already been tested. If there was no internal conflict over the cheating then just own it and get a side piece.

Make sure you have veins in your abbs before making that play.

Have the best of both worlds.

[–]man_in_the_worldRed Beret3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I started lifting, and slowly but steadily building muscles (I was skinny fat: 5’11” and 150 lbs). Showing more leadership in my house (be the oak), seeing old and lost friends again, started initiating with her again. All hard NO’s by the way, no sex for me so far.

You're working a Dancing Monkey Attraction Improvement Programme.

[–]themerovingian012 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

I maintain my point that issues always seem to happen when a man has an older woman.

[–]FoxShitNasty830 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol that's me fucked then, but no way would I go for an older woman again. The dynamic just dosent sit well

[–]IRunYourRiver1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Man, what a mess. This will be a fascinating story either way. Still, stay plan / go plan etc.

My sense is that despite the half-assed implementation of MRP, you haven't really started the Dread process. You might think you can skip some steps like you're installing a light fixture or something, but the stages are real. The first stage you need to hit is to take pussy off the pedestal, after that you start gaining independence. This is like DL 1-3 or something. Work on that stuff. Post in OYS, re-read some of the intro material. If you suspect you're beta orbiting anyone, break it off.

Good luck.

[–]canbelboy[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

you haven't really started the Dread process

In recent weeks,, I upgraded my wardrobe, bought new underwear, better shirts and jeans. I started growing a modest beard. I get compliments (mostly female colleagues) that I look sharp, but my wife DOES NOT like it. It is a reason for her now to avoid kissing me ("it scratches"). I re-connected with old friends, picked up a hobby and will start Jiu Jitsu after the Summer. I am much more out of the house, doing my own stuff. So incrementally and slowly working on dread. I will start learnind about game.

QUESTION: How do you handle the good old "You have changed, you're not the same guy anymore"?

I recently got this question from her, which to me is a good sign as the power balance is shitting, and she starts to notice something. But what do you say?

What does beta -orbiting mean exactly?

[–]IRunYourRiver0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

What does beta -orbiting mean exactly?

THIS is why you need to read sidebar. Essentially this is being friendzoned by a woman. Or maintaining a relationship with a female acquaintance that you'd like to fuck, but it simply won't happen for whatever reason.

QUESTION: How do you handle the good old "You have changed, you're not the same guy anymore"?

This sounds like a comfort test. With this particular formulation I'd say 1) ignore (literallyact like you didn'thear it); 2) agree and amplify (my dick is bigger too); 3) fogging / negative inquiry (why do you think I'm different?). DO NOT get suckered into an extended conversation.

[–]IRunYourRiver0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

One other thing - It's great that you seem to be making progress, but your post suggests to me that you aren't really changing internally. I always like the saying "internal victories precede external victories". If you get ahead of yourself, life will knock you back to your actual DL. Go slow. Follow the steps. Don't shortchange future you.

[–]HerukaArisen1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Others have pointed out fallacies in your story. I'm going to point out one more. I'm not doing this out of ill will. I'm hoping this will help you stop being a faggot.

In all honesty, she is a good mother for our daughters and not a bad woman.

No, she isn't. She sets a piss-poor example of a woman for your two daughters. She is able to do this, since you, Sir, are a pussy who lets her do that.

We say "We save men, not marriages." However, I think you also owe it to your two daughters to start being a man you are supposed to be. Ask yourself this: do you really want your daughters to grow up thinking that it is okay to live in a sexless marriage full of power play and passive-aggressiveness?

I'm not entirely sure what you should do. Maybe it's divorce. Maybe you will somehow manage to pull your head out of your ass and turn your marriage around. Whatever you end up doing, what you now need to do is hit the gym and the sidebar. In your case, plates don't sound like a viable long-term solution to me, since you would probably manage to turn this into just another pretend version of "everything is okay in my marriage".

I have a relatively visible media job in my state and I do have some limited “star power”. I make 100k/year, I have a private pilot license.

These don't sound worth much if your life is ultimately a cop-out, do they?

[–]canbelboy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Eye-opening comment ... thanks for that.

[–]themerovingian010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Is she asexual? Does she masturbate?

[–]Perfectinmyeyes0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

I enjoyed your post I can see many similarities in my life and actions I've taken.

As a couple others have posted I sometimes wonder if it has to do with age or hormones etc... And I wonder if there wouldn't be so much angst given other circumstances.

Although I don't prescribe to the whole red pill mentality I'm curious that there may be a dynamic that I havnt realized.

[–]canbelboy[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Interesting. Could you share some of the actions you took that have changed your situation? Hopefully for the better?

[–]Perfectinmyeyes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I can tell you what I have tried that doesnt work :)

Also I have some theories that go along with what I have heard others mention.

I have tried:

  1. Having the 'talk' 3 times~; in a good way not in a 'demanding way' ... I think there has always been a negative consequence for having the talk; or nothing at all.
  2. Improving myself has helped things barely - one because Ive been focusing on me rather then whats wrong with the relationship and two my wife notices but to be honest things in the bedroom havnt changed much.
  3. Doing things my wife says does help a little but it is always dependent on her mood; such as clean the house better, make more money, us going out more etc ... (Im going to get more to this).

I think our 'significant others' share similar traits and perhaps those of some other women. Meaning they dont care much for sex and could go without. I remember one time recently we went 3 weeks and I was going crazy and my wife didnt even notice it was 3 weeks.

I see many posters on here desiring a woman/wife that desires them (lusts after them).

I am not sure you and I will be seeing this ... I think sure perhaps if we man up (look more like a man); and do things to ease our wives of stress and do nice things. This in turn will get them to 'think' more about pleasing their man; but that real desire ... Im not sure we will really see it... I could be wrong thou.

[–]ReddJiveRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

One question.

Why are you still giving her a relationship when she is doing nothing to maintain it?

[–]canbelboy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Because I love(d) her. It makes you tune out the bad stuff and reinforce the good memories. We have travelled the world together, are quite a good team in many aspects (raising our kids, working through life), we used to laugh a lot, and the sex wasn't always gone. It was there, but at a bare minium, enough to keep me hanging around. Since swallowing the red pill, I see what was wrong, and that this is not a normal situation. That's what I'm trying to fix now. Only two options: things will improve, or I will end my relationship.

[–]teabagabeartrap0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would advise to google "vaginism", sounds a little like whats could go on.
to make it short: everything to small build with her and it hurts, but this can be trained to work better. Was with a girl like that before.

if you really want to change something, mhh I know it doesn't align to codex here, but tell her you enjoy eating her out a lot and do this till she climaxes... do this a few times... and maybe there will be a change... And if she is interested, you can bring up "vaginism" and that she can train herself with a dildo to be pain free at sex...

had a girl with the same symptoms like you described and on that way I got her to the point she enjoyed it and came to me for it, because she said I do it better with my fingers, than she is doing it for herself...

But I also wanted to say, that I got the feeling she was no good person. Pretty dark clouds around her head all the time and much misantrophy. after reading TRP / MRP I got the feeling this happened because nature "cursed" her to not be able to ride the cock carousel....



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