Help me understand better about Beta Bait

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August 20, 2019

Hey gentlemen thanks for taking the time with this post. I recently became RedPill for the last year and always on here brushing up on my game.

However I recently met this girl HB8 a few weeks ago and I got her number and instagram. I asked her out and she dodged it. No problem, so I stopped texting her because my time is valuable. I posted a photo on instagram at a very upscale bar I was at and she sent me a insta message "wheres my invite?" So I ignored the message entirely. The next night I recieved a text message to see if I have SnapChat i told her "yeah, heres my username send me something good" so now she keeps sending me all these sexy snaps while at work (which I only breadcrumb her validation sometimes)

I tried escalating and asking her again if shes free this weekend to which I recieve "I can try to be" I dont like flakey shit so i didnt respond and will not ask again. But here I am today and she sends me a snap of a banana in her mouth and Im totally blown away how I should navigate this situation. This is classic beta bait right?

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Title Help me understand better about Beta Bait
Author sootlord
Upvotes 141
Comments 66
Date 20 August 2019 04:09 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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[–]TRP VanguardWhisper128 points129 points  (5 children) | Copy

Chicks who are considering fucking you will want to meet you to see if they end up wanting sex to happen.

Chicks who already want to fuck you will go further, and bend heaven and earth to make that meeting happen.

If they don't want to meet you, then they don't want sex. They want something they can get online... which is usually attention or validation.

[–]latinasonly8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

good call bro

[–]Project_Zero_Betas6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

Chicks who already want to fuck you will go further, and bend heaven and earth to make that meeting happen.

But God forbid it requires them ghosting their beta orbiters!

[–]AshyBoneVR47 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lol, they won't ghost their beta orbiters. They'll tell them that she's gonna go to bed early, ride some dick, then talk to them for her daily validation after.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That's what the sane ones do. In my instance, a BPD girl had be incarcerated, permitted multiple felony offenses to be committed against me via /u/observationalhumor all because she couldn't stop hanging out with beta orbiters.

[–]DereckVinyard0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Good post

[–]WIA20XX160 points161 points  (18 children) | Copy

You weren't on her radar until she saw your earning potential.

Now she is trying to get you to chase.

If you do give chase, she'll think, "I've got him, finally my payday!".

So she'll try to extract your time and resources on the promise that you might get some. Works on lots of guys, standard girl game

Trying to bag this chick is a project. If running "salt" daddy game, it's a walk in the park. But otherwise I'd skip.

[–]sootlord[S] 39 points40 points  (0 children) | Copy

Hey man thanks for the insight, I didnt even notice those little signs until you pointed it out.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (9 children) | Copy

If running "salt" daddy game, it's a walk in the park.

What's "salt daddy game"?

[–]WIA20XX56 points57 points  (8 children) | Copy

It's the opposite of sugar daddy game. Sugar babies call guys that don't spend/are cheap Splenda or Salt Daddies.

Basically players that fuck girls on seeking arrangement for free, not for a fee.

How it plays out -

  • Guys that travel for work rack up huge hotel points.

  • Put a profile up on Seeking.

  • Profile suggests wealth, so basically any club promoter on Instagram. Faux Riches.

  • Chicks are super thirsty on Seeking, compared to every other site.

  • Screen out the pros and seasoned gold diggers during the text phase.

  • Arrange a meet and greet (M&G) at the hotel restaurant.

  • Up to hotel room to see if there is any "chemistry"

Rinse and repeat.

If you can't screen and pull in a normal situation, don't even think about this.

Also don't take me as an authority. There is a long thread at the old Roosh forum called "seeking arrangement game".

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy

So you basically take inexperienced and thirsty sugar babies for a spin to see if there's "chemistry" and never pay them?

[–]BusterVadge16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is genius.... Evil, but fucking genius.

[–]1NathanHollister20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't think it's evil

[–]lugrulo3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah, Seeking Arrangement is the beta wet dream.

[–]mustache_ride_3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

This is genius.

No, this is how you get a false rape charge. They're proud and irrationally vindictive. Careful out there boys, 'tis the season of the witch.

[–]Differential420110 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Nah, I know people who do this. They have the chick sign a consent form before they close.

[–]mustache_ride_7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because a contract protects you these days lol? ("He made me sign under duress your honor" or "I don't know what he slipped in my drink, I don't remember signing anything").

The courts and the media are why we're at where we're at these days. They are not objective and they are not your friend.

[–]inittowinit7775 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

When you say screen out the "pros", do you mean prostitutes?

[–]nobody_thinks 1 points [recovered]  (6 children) | Copy

do you have a reference / link for "salt" daddy game?

[–]latinasonly5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

just fucking be straight up with what you want . if the other person wants you (and/or your resources) more than you want them, you have power in the relationship . if they turn down your " come over for a drink " invite . NEXT . if they dont fuck you when they come over " NEXT" of course you need spme sweet talking to go with it all so that the woman feels they have a chance at your resources

[–]nobody_thinks 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

yeah I get the basic idea but hasn't someone developed this a little bit

[–]latinasonly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

[–]LeeHans420-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy

I think there is a book called Salt .

[–]nobody_thinks 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

by whom. there are a lot of books called salt.

[–]mayoayox1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ain't there a movie too with AnJo or Megan Fox or something?

[–]MarylandLion 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Forget this weekend. Ask her out to a specific time and place in a few days. Completely ignore her otherwise, don’t open her snap chats and don’t text her. The only way she will get your attention is in person and on a date. You need to make that clear with these kinds of chicks.

Although sometimes it is good to give them a little attention and validation while they are being wishy-washy before you completely cut contact and pull away. Then they enter your frame when they miss your attention

[–]daymi0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This guy gets it.

Basically make it obvious that you don't jump to her texts. If she wants validation, she can get it in person, possibly in your house.

I'm doing that regularly and boy does it work (as in, her texts get more and more I-want-to-go-to-your-house-ish).

[–]TFWnoLTR30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

I had a similar thing happen. I never once acknowledged her image or what she was doing in her snaps in any complimentary way. I rarely ever responded at all but one time she sent a snap of her playing with herself under her pants then panned up towards her face and I noticed she had a sleeveless shirt on so I replied "nice tough guy shirt".

Anyways, I eventually had time for a date with her and we met up. She bragged about all her beta orbiters to me, basically admitting that the fact that I never complimented her or even reacted to her sexy snaps is what drew her to me, while also admitting she mostly gets off in attention from orbiters rather than a real man giving that dick.

The date ended with me walking out when the check came because she was trying to bait me into beta behavior by telling me how much money she has by showing how expensive her purse is and even whipping out a huge wad of cash like a retard, then ten minutes later demanding I pay for the drinks because I'm the man. I deleted her snap a few days later when she sent me another sexy video out of the blue. I should mention that its not like the date wasn't going well otherwise. We had made out a couple times and she had played with my junk under the table, all her making the moves mind you, so she was very much attracted and chasing me.

Here's the moral of the story for you: shes not sending those snaps to you alone. Shes sending them to all her orbiters and trying to make you into one. If you do manage to get her on a date I bet my left nut she will have you jump through some sort of beta hoop before you close with her and then she will almost definitely be a starfish in bed or just a one time customer because now you're trained to jump through hoops for her and that's boring.

You should just delete her and spend time on other women instead. It's not worth it, and it sounds like you're already in her frame. The only way to get girls like her is to pick her up the first time you meet her and fuck her behind the dumpster outside the bar/club. She could get her pussy ate 5 times a day if she wanted, but she only happens upon a true Chad who drags her into the bathroom to fuck 5 minutes after grabbing her and making out on the dance floor once or twice a year.

Oh, and one last thing. Her noticing the fancy place you were at and suddenly showing interest is her thinking you're good for a quality free meal or three, not actually her showing any interest in you.

[–]sootlord[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

This was some great insight, im talking with other women right now so I give zero shits about her. Still breaking down my old blue pill habits and this one caught me by suprise. Thank you for your reply.

[–]Hamlet_Prime2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you have similar stories like this, you should consider posting an FR. I liked what you had to say

[–]HurricaneHugues10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Any form of bait to bring out beta behavior out of yoh

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

But here I am today and she sends me a snap of a banana in her mouth and Im totally blown away how I should navigate this situation.

Tell her she looks dumb.

[–]MagnumBurrito7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Ignore her until you’re doing some fun. Then text her “headed to the the bar/beach/pool.. You should come”

And if she ignores and doesn’t offer up an alternative. Soft next her.

[–]Lateralanouncer5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

She sounds like an attention whore and likely sending the same picks to several men for attention. I still wouldn’t wast a lead and give it a couple of shots before dropping it. I would Send her a pick Sunday of you doing something fun (send to other leads at the same time) And say something along the lines of you should have come out. Or I didn’t think you where adventurous enough for this.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy


[–]pointster_VSK19 points20 points  (15 children) | Copy

There are articles written on it. Use the search function.

As for your situation.

You should have never given her your snap. You have entered her frame.

You shouldn’t open the ones she sends you. As soon as you open them, you validate her and remain in her frame.

When you asked her out and she said “she can try to be” you failed to lead and setup the logistics. Sounds like she is on the border line but your game is way too weak to handle her shit testing you. So you’ll end up just being an orbiter.

[–]sootlord[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the prompt response. I have a hard time navigating shit tests and I appreciate your insight. I wont even open them anymore.

[–]trp2828713 points14 points  (12 children) | Copy

> You should have never given her your snap. You have entered her frame.

What should he have responded when she asked for it? Just said no? If someone asks you for your name do you also just not respond to avoid entering frame?

[–]MKSHFT_ENJNEER8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

When she asked that, he easily could've said something along the lines of "dont bother adding me unless ur sending nudes" , etc. Be creative. So many ppl here have frame but lack creativity. Just my 2 cents.

[–]Archammes6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Social apps like Snapchat are tailored toward providing validation. If someone has done nothing to earn your validation, why give it? Just because a woman is attractive doesn't mean she brings anything to the table, but you enter her frame by providing her validation engaging.

A proper response would be "no" if you feel it will be a very limited fling. Force her to seek validation in ways that require more effort.

If you see possible value, go playful. "Yea, but I only give my info to exceptional people." This signifies that you value what you pay attention to and she has to earn that attention.

[–]pointster_VSK15 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy

Usually i wouldn’t waste my time responding to someone who clearly show’s that they are young & new around here and haven’t done much if any reading of the sidebar. But lucky for you, i have some free time right now. So take out a pen & paper and take some notes.

You can’t compare oranges to apples. 2 totally different fruits. Someone asking for your name and you giving it to them is basic 101 of social dynamics. It’s called getting to know someone or introducing yourself.

Now i know you youngins like to use social media for everything but understand something. Unless you have a huge following and/or are posting stories of a DHV lifestyle, no girl is interested in your social media other than for the soul purpose of stroking her own ego.

What benefit does you giving a girl your snapchat add to your goal of banging her? Are you going to bang her thru snapchat?

Oh let me guess, you’re going to exchange pictures and leave comments for one another?

I hope you can see how that social media method is an epic fail. If you don’t then go read the entire sidebar. Then re read it again & again until you can understand the concepts.

[–]trp282874 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

Fair enough, I guess I didn't see the bigger picture (ie what happens after you give her your snapchat). I dont use social media much, dont even have a smartphone currently. If a girl asked me for my snap I would just give it to her and then forget about it

[–]pointster_VSK17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy

If a girl asks me for my snap, i would laugh and tell her im flattered that she wants to be one of my followers but i don’t do social media. Give her my number instead and tell her to text or call me so we can set something up when we’re both free.

If she reaches out, i setup the logistics. If she doesn’t, i saved myself from wasted time.

Oh but what if she insist on me taking her number. I take it and still setup logistics.

If she calls me out on not having social media “oh well, i guess you haven’t met a guy like me before.”

She can take what im offering her or move on. Her lost, not mine.

I am the prize!

[–]H0tTamal34 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

I got rid of my social media (I only had facebook) about 2 years ago. There has been no downside from it. I see so many BP guys I'm around at work trying to game women via social media and it's really pretty pathetic watching them get all giddy sending dumb selfies back and forth, thinking that it's a guaranteed lay.

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

SM is the domain of beta orbiters.

[–]Endorsed ContributorUEMcGill8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Your snap/insta whatever should be a reward that she has to justify being let in.

"hey follow me on Instagram!"

"ha, funny. Yeah that's for close friends and family"

Then make her validate why she would make your life better not the other way around.

"I don't know you. You could be some crazy stalker. Besides I don't need pumpkin spice lattes clogging up my feed."

[–]sootlord 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Thanks for the knowledge sir, I'll re read the side bar again

[–]pointster_VSK0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

That last comment was for u/trp28287

[–]Project_Zero_Betas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"I don't have it, I just like texting instead."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Say "I don't have it."

[–]Project_Zero_Betas1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should have never given her your snap. You have entered her frame.

Bingo. This is exactly where OP went wrong.

[–]Sylvester_Sterone3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Did you ask or tell her to come out? I'd wait a little bit and go about living life. In a few days tell her to meet you at...

[–]1XXXMersenne2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just Push definitively for the fuck.

When you're meeting many women on the regular you don't post questions like this cus you don't hesitate cus you don't give a fuck whether it works cus you're meeting so many chicks that you have ample 'data sets' for experimentation and so are quick to deal with one [and still do the best you can] in order to then move onto the next.

Process more data for more accurate evaluations for more consistent results.
In other words: Meet Try to fuck more chicks

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ffs, move on. And delete her from Snapchat, Instagram and your phone. Stop wasting time with attention whores like this girl.

[–]that_italia_guy1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just wants attention, u ignored her so and she didn't like that. She knows she gets attention if she does sexual things, only wants validation

[–]wkndatbernardus1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

"But here I am today and she sends me a snap of a banana in her mouth."

Please tell me she's black.

[–]Hedser910 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Maybe you should be very direct and tell her what she is doing and that you dont like to play games, you want to date? Yes, go date, no delete all her shit.

[–]Jabbermouth1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I agree. Calling these types of girls out on their bullshit works. It forces them to make a decision and shows you will not be one of their beta orbiters. You will usually get one of these responses:

  1. She will stop playing games with you. - Set up a date.
  2. She will continue playing games. - Next.
  3. She will deny that she is playing games. Next.

Force her to make a decision, OP.

[–]sootlord[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How would you suggest to call her out on it?

[–]Jabbermouth2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

“It’s a yes or no question”

“That’s not an answer”

“I need a yes or no”

“I don’t do maybe’s”

These are just some that have worked for me. Come up with something that fits your personality. What works for some may not work for others.

[–]20mcgug0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Sounds like you already know the answer deep down. Next.

[–]cornbread070 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Shes an attention her

[–]ThinSpiritual0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Lol... she prolly sent that banana plus maybe cucumber eating snaps to 20 other people.

[–]amphix3390 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hahahahahahahahaha that ending bro I'm crying

[–]Yavuzest0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

and asking her again if shes free this weekend

nah fam have a place and a time in your mind and say that you are going there. thats it

usually males do the planning because females are lazy about that

also its kinda dominant because you are taking lead of the event

[–]Herdsengineers0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just tell her where you're going to be and when and she should come out to distinguish herself from your other instagram/snapchat gallery of girls.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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