Blue Pill, what do you mean when you insist TRP won't work on most women?

AmericanHistoryAFBB · 2015-12-03T05:39:08+00:00

OK, OP. Thoughts:

Would you respond any better to the women/Bloopies in this thread if, instead of saying "RP encourages men to mistreat women and I don't want to be mistreated" they were to soften their tone to something like "I would perceive the way RP encourages men to treat women, if applied to me, as mistreatment, I dislike being mistreated and therefore do not want to be with an RP dude"?
Henry Cavill is RP? Since when? Oh, you mean Henry Cavill is attractive? And BP says attractive men aren't attractive? No. BP doesn't say that. BP has never said attractive men aren't attractive. That doesn't even make sense.
All this jargon from RP - amused mastery, negging etc. etc. is so, SO context-dependent. Women love playfulness. We love it when a man we love is playfully amused master-y. I used to love cooking with my bf and him bossing me around and jokingly treating me like a retard when we would cook together. It was funny. We also both had pretty dry senses of humour so the relationship involved a lot of piss-taking from both sides. Fun. Amusing. Do you know why I liked this? Because I was attracted to him, yes. Because I loved him, yes. Because I knew he loved me, yes. But also, and this is key, I knew he actually for-real respected me as a person who was just as capable and worthy as he was. 'Amused mastery' from some jumped up twenty-two year old prick who thinks his penis gives him a superior intellect and a higher capacity for honour is an entirely different thing to amused mastery from someone who loves and respects you. Amused mastery in the context of a good night in is also entirely different from amused mastery when a woman is seriously upset or hurt. The latter is going to make most women with self respect bail fast.
Sensitive RPs should turn away now. I don't think the vast majority of RP men are attractive. Not physically and not in any other way. Could I be wrong and could 90% of RPs be muscled, granite-jawed beasts with enough charm, intelligence and masculinity to make most women want to prostrate themselves in front of them? Yes, I could be wrong. But, here's the thing, you (general RP male you) don't come across as attractive online, in this context. You come across as angry and mean. You seem be gleeful at the idea of women suffering or 'getting what they deserve'. You're sarcastic in an ugly way, not a playful way. You profess to have happy relationships or an endless stream of women in your beds but most of you don't seem that happy. You seem pissed off and unable to converse with women in good faith. I just can't say that any of this makes me think you're content people irl.
To be clear: attractive people are attractive. No one denies that.

thecitttty · 2015-12-03T03:57:26+00:00

When people say that TRP doesn't work, they're not usually referring to the parts about working out, dressing well, or not being a "pushover." They're talking about where TRP encourages guys to be mean to women. The blue pill's argument is that only insecure women will permit men to treat them badly, or enjoy it when they do.

nermalsweater · 2015-12-03T03:37:39+00:00

Didn't Terry crews say he was a feminist. Dude is jacked.

skulloflugosi · 2015-12-03T08:01:50+00:00

What the hell does Henry Cavill have to do with RP? Do you think he got his nice smile and pretty blue eyes from hating women or something?

DrunkGirl69 · 2015-12-03T05:00:05+00:00

For one, we never said women aren't attracted to attractive men.

I think some of us are skeptical that TRP is brimming with attractive men.

[deleted] · 2015-12-03T07:16:32+00:00

Attractiveness is one part...we go for the full package. Personally I am looking for a partner...not someone to take care of. I take care of my dogs, that's enough.

wtknight · 2015-12-03T04:40:57+00:00

TRP will work to the extent that women will pay more initial attention to the guy who follows Red Pill advice and lifts. However, once she finds out how misogynistic he is, he's not going to be successful with most women. It's better to just lift but keep the old Blue Pill personality.

SmurfESmurferson · 2015-12-03T04:40:45+00:00

No one else will agree with this, but he has some seriously waxed eyebrows.

Waxed eyebrows on a guy is the ultimate turn off.

See also: David Wright

[deleted] · 2015-12-03T11:42:05+00:00

Most BPillers barely care about the sexual strategy part of TRP. There are way worse things about it.

[deleted] · 2015-12-03T07:56:37+00:00

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Aggggggnes · 2015-12-03T11:23:06+00:00

A sincere question - is amused mastery, dread, negging and bs like that meant to be used when you are already in a relationship (and they are willing to give you a bit more credit, thinking that maybe you're not an asshole, just temporarily acting like one) or is it meant to be used to pick up ladies as well? Because I have seen so many guys trying to use it in a bar environment and although I believe that they score at some point, most people (women included) just think they are idiots.

Negging - it's okay if it's something small, but I have seen guys saying like "oh, I don't care that you are not as hot as your girlfriend - I was just joking, can't you take a joke, haha?". (In that certain case the girl told him to stick his jokes up his ass, so let's say that it would have been much smarter to use a light neg like "I imagine how good you'd look with your hair down" (just slightly hinting that right now she is not AS pleasing to his eye).)

Dread - you are talking to us, we are not really that interested, you bugger off and come back in 30 minutes. The fact that you either ignored us for 30 minutes or used this time to chat up someone else (obviously without succeeding) doesn't make you sexier. Although, single girls sometimes DO go to a bar with a will to get laid, so if they haven't met someone more suitable in the meantime, they might give you a go now, but that's not because dread worked, it's just because HER hunt also didn't go that well, she couldn't catch Chad, so she is willing to have the leftovers.

Amused mastery - it's weird as it is in a relationship and normal person would shoot it down, but it's 100 times as weird when it happens in a bar with strangers. We are having an argument about something and then this weird guy says:"Yeah, honey, I'm sure a girl like you is an expert in this area. OBVIOUSLY. Ha-ha." and tries to change the subject. Want to guess who goes home with him? No-one.

P.S. Washing yourself, brushing your teeth, taking care of your appearance and working out is not part of TRP, it's as mainstream as you can get. Everyone who wants to be part of human society knows that their looks affect how other people see them.

exit_sandman · 2015-12-03T03:40:32+00:00

i think you're overestimating the attractiveness of RPers, and he really isn't that good looking in that picture anyway. additionally, i don't care how good looking a guy is, if he treats me the way RPers encourage men to treat women, i'm done; not interested. i don't think the women TRPers say they want deep down would be achievable via TRP because nothing about TRP or the men that follow it is authentic except for the hate and paranoia. they'll continue seeking intimacy and validation in the form of one night stands, and then complain that there's nothing but party girls out there.

it's simple: women seeking a healthy relationship don't want to be end up with an unstable partner or be mistreated, and TRP encourages mistreatment of women. they're predatory at best, which is why their tactics only work on a portion of women.

wub1234 · 2015-12-03T10:15:45+00:00

Theres got to be a reason that you truly don't believe most women, in general, would touch an Alpha like this.

For me this is a stupid statement because not that many guys can become that attractive. I could spend the rest of my fucking life in the gym...I will never look like that. There is no way I can compete with that guy. I'm never going to be a 10/10 guy, it is impossible.

All you can do is work on yourself and improve your SMV. You can't perform fucking miracles. Of course women would go for a guy like that, but this has nothing to do with TRP, and he wouldn't have to piss about with dating strategies in the first place anyway.

[deleted] · 2015-12-03T13:00:11+00:00

lol how exactly does lifting gives guy the same height as Henry Cavill, his perfect face and hair and teeth and blue eyes? lol.

asdf_clash · 2015-12-03T17:21:38+00:00

Theres got to be a reason that you truly don't believe most women, in general, would touch an Alpha like this.

Why the fuck do you think anyone believes that?

midnightvulpine · 2015-12-03T17:22:24+00:00

Not every RP individual looks like that. And I don't think anyone is saying its best to be a pushover or that confidence is bad. So the arguments you present are vastly inadequate since they do a poor job of framing the other side.

Personally I think RP is fine. Until you get to the whole obsession with trying to figure women out, based largely on bad experiences and tactics that are at times questionable.

wazzup987 · 2015-12-03T17:49:04+00:00

Title	Blue Pill, what do you mean when you insist TRP won't work on most women?
Author	PurpleDiesel420
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Date	December 3, 2015 3:08 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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