The Male Hamster: more men admit to rape if it's called "forced sex", and more

refutesstupidnotions · 2015-04-24T12:55:35+00:00

The way I see it, feminists (and bluepillers) and MRAs(and redpillers) paint the other gender as scarier than it is, and try to whitewash their own. Redpillers say women ca't be loyal and love the way men want, and have covert power in their blood. Feminists say men have rape and violence in their blood. I kind of disagree and agree.

First of all, people can do horrible things if society or authority tells them it should be done. They also do the opposite - comform to social norms, because not doing so is stressful and scary.

And as far as I know, raping women in your own group and status is never ok. It's not socially acceptable. That woman is someone's sister, wife or mother, and the man who protects them will kill you for it. However, it's often considered "ok" to rape and pillage conquered enemies. It's also often "ok" to attack people whose status is so low that you'll get away with it (f. ex. slaves). It's not even a gendered issue. A solution to that would be not going to war (or have laws against brutalizing the other population), legalizing prostitution and not having slavery. That is, making sure no one is of such low legal status that someone can just rape them without worrying about proper punishment.

And this is why I don't think the feminist campaign to teach men not to rape is sound. It teaches men not to rape, when they are already socialized not to rape. Those who are more inclined to being a rapist and see an opportunity, they will rape anyway. Men who are especially sensitive to the campaign will learn to fear their own penis. And some will feel fed up with that crap. If you feel that society hates you and you have nothing to lose, you might well disregard social norms, so maybe the campaign might have the opposite effect on some - more rape acceptance.

taiboworks · 2015-04-23T23:51:34+00:00

If that's the same study I read a while back, it's total bullshit. They ask you to rate the likelihood of each answer from 1-5, anything more than a one is affirmative even though usually 3 is neutral, 2 is negative, and 1 is ultranegative on those types of questionaires.

Also, women report high levels too.

GridReXX · 2015-04-23T18:53:14+00:00

It supports the RPs belief that there are only two sets of people: Rapists and Non-Rapists. According to the study, even the men who said they would force a woman to have sex with them still didn't believe they were Rapists.

It doesn't mean that there are in fact only two sets, just that RPers and 31% of the study particpants believe that as well.

Credible? Eh. I get that the study coordinator was miffed that people read it and thought they only included students at U of ND in the study, but you can tell by the language that they did meet with participants face-to-face which means that the study participants were in fact ND residents.

It might be entirely possible that the same study conducted in LA or NYC or Miami would have much different results. It sort of glosses over that fact that if people are influenced by society, as BP believes, then they would be influenced differently depending on their society, right?

A person from NYC isn't going to have the same cultural experiences and biases as a person from ND.

It does imply that what feminists mean when they say "teach men not to rape" is partially true. What they are really talking about is that a lot of different acts constitute rape but that not all men agree which acts should be included on the list. The very fact that some men thought it was okay to hold a woman down but not grab one in a parking lot tells us that some men do not, in fact, realize that holding a woman down for sex is rape.

I would conduct the same study in different areas of the country, and sort them by age as well. I would bet you'd find that metropolitan people are more likely to think holding a woman down is rape and that age is a significant factor.

[deleted] · 2015-04-23T22:02:55+00:00

My issue with this is the journal it is in.

'Violence and Gender' it reads like we'll take any article that agrees with our views.
it's in its first volume
my University doesn't have access to it or even acknowledge it's existence
I have access to journals called 'interpersonal violence', 'Violence against women', 'aggressive and violent behaviour'. All of those sound more credible than the one linked.

As I don't have access to it, I can nitpick the article it's self so I'm just going to say the views of 70 male American College students aren't a representative sample of any population other than American College students.

dejour · 2015-04-23T23:15:14+00:00

It isn't the study being discussed here, but this Lisak and Miller paper showed that plenty of men admit to forced sex.

And there were studies by Malamuth showing that 30-40% of men might rape if there were no consequences. Personally I think this study overstates things because it uses a 5-point Likert scale and says anyone who answered 2-5 would have some likelihood of raping.

I think that treats guys who answered 2 unfairly if the scale looked like this:

1 not at all likely
2 unlikely
3 neutral
4 likely
5 certainty

In the Salon article, I found it interesting that the "forced sex, but not rape" group were benevolent sexists. That puts mainstream MRAs firmly in the good guy section - the non-sexists. To me, the MRM is about reducing sexism against men and removing benevolent sexism towards women - as part of society's effort to removing hostile sexism against women. (Yes, there are some self-labeled MRAs who are hostile sexists, but they are a minority.)

xthecharacter · 2015-04-23T20:49:55+00:00

I have a question : Do men have natural urges to rape ? I mean most probably deny it , but answer honestly. Do you sometimes have fantasies about raping women ? I have seen men saying that "men have natural urges to rape", I don't know if it's true.

(I don't mean to be rude , this is genuine curiosity)

Edit People downvote me for asking an honest question ? lol

wombatinaburrow · 2015-04-24T10:10:25+00:00

Men like thinking of themselves as high pressure sex purveyors rather than rapists, just like short people think of themselves as fun sized, fat people think of themselves as curvy and bald people think of themselves as follicularly challenged. Political correctness has gone mad, lol.

Title	The Male Hamster: more men admit to rape if it's called "forced sex", and more
Author	xthecharacter
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Date	April 23, 2015 6:33 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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