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[Red Pills] Would you want an LTR Alpha Dating your daughter?

Gregjlaver

October 21, 2014
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Straight forward question :) http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2juwow/blue_pills_would_you_want_a_ltr_blue_pill_to_date/

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Title [Red Pills] Would you want an LTR Alpha Dating your daughter?
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Gregjlaver

Upvotes 9
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Date October 21, 2014 3:49 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2juune/red_pills_would_you_want_an_ltr_alpha_dating_your/
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[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago* (16 children) | Copy Link

I would fight him. If I beat him too badly, then he is unworthy. If he beats me too badly, then he's an alpha, and there's probably very little I can do about it in that case anyway. So yet again, the alpha wins.

...

In all seriousness, describing someone as just "LTR alpha" doesn't say much about him as a person. I think bpers ironically obsess over the dichotomy even more than rpers in some ways. Even the trp mods talk about alpha/beta as more like "directions" than actual people, because no one is a pure alpha or pure beta. A pure alpha would be a psychopathic ruler... or more likely stuck in prison due to his lack of inhibitions.

I personally would trust someone in the family that has an adequate measure of alpha qualities. I've seen my share of pathological altruists and it's too depressing to handle. Obviously, well-balanced is better (where precisely that balance point is, of course, is subjective). I personally have promoted beta qualities a lot in trp... because I wouldn't want to see people just tossing the baby out with the bathwater.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would fight him. If I beat him too badly, then he is unworthy. If he beats me too badly, then he's an alpha, and there's probably very little I can do about it in that case anyway.

Cast him unto the wolf pit!

[–]hairybeermonster0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I think bpers ironically obsess over the dichotomy even more than rpers in some ways.

Yeah, quite ironic, considering you dipshits invented this idiotic dichotomy--like there ever was one--in the first place.

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Does the dichotomy make you angry?

[–]hairybeermonster0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, should it?

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You seemed upset, that's all.

[–]hairybeermonster-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Wanna talk about it?

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Sure. Go ahead.

[–]hairybeermonster-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Okay, here goes: I think women are human beings just like men. It's crazy, I know. Have any pills for this? Like red ones?

[–]fiat_lux_Red Pillar-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I just don't understand what this has to do with your original response to me, the one about the alpha/beta dichotomy.

[–]hairybeermonster-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we were talking about "red pill, blue pill" dichotomy. Maybe it's the same thing in your mind. Seems silly to me.

[–]chazzALB37yo Purple Perma-Virgin-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This dichotomy predates the internet. 50 year old comic books came with ads purporting to teach you how to stop being a 98 pound weakling.

[–]InfoSponger4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

silly question actually because my daughter IS the alpha and I wouldn't tolerate any less.... she is mid 20's now... she can reevaluate her needs and if a LTR is on her radar she can adjust accordingly

[–]BubbleEngineer2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

No she's not. Women can be dominant, but not Alpha. Regardless, she'll never be fulfilled in an LTR until she finds a man who is more dominant than she is.

[–]InfoSponger6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

this was not a statement of negotiation, however, you are free to revel in your hubris or wallow in your faulty logic for as long as you like.

[–]BubbleEngineer-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Busting out your thesaurus doesn't make you any less wrong. If you're going to use RP terms at least attempt to use them correctly. Alpha is part of the hierarchy of men, so by definition your daughter doesn't make the cut. While dominance is definitely one of the key traits on the spectrum of being an Alpha it isn't the only one, which is why many people such as yourself get confused and conflate the two.

http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html

This is a good resource so you don't continue to spread more misinformation.

[–]InfoSponger3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I don't even know your age and I would bet the girl has had more pussy than you. Why? Because you..... hahaha.... apologies... you subscribe to someones definition instead of arriving at your own. You are Minor League. You are Double A Ball. You will outgrow this nonsense should you make Triple A, but should you claw your way to the Majors, you will be looking for field manual..... we will meet again then.... because I wrote it.

[–]BubbleEngineer1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Hearing more and more about the daughter you've raised makes it that much easier to dismiss you.

[–]InfoSponger2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, for your purposes anyway, this is the day that you dismissed someone and they gave zero fucks before you ever opened a synapse, much less your mouth.

[–]BubbleEngineer0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Well, the RP men who spin plates will appreciate that your poor parenting skills have created another slut for the carousel. Assuming that she is even remotely attractive, that is.

[–]InfoSponger2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Is it fear that keeps you running back to me or some obsessive need just to be near me? You have been weighed and measured, and you have been found wanting. You have yet again earned zero fucks for your effort and will continue to do so by running to me with another dullard response. Either blow me already or let it go, mmmmkay pumpkin?

[–]BubbleEngineer1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'd be salty if I was a shitty father too. Don't worry, I'm sure after the fourth or fifth bad boy that breaks her heart because she offers nothing other than her pussy she'll find herself a nice Beta Bux like her Old Man and use him up until the inevitable divorce.

[–]babyguineapig1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You don't know many women, do you?

[–]BubbleEngineer-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Nope, only baby making machines.

[–]babyguineapig1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

A woman can't grow one by herself, there needs to be some sperm added.

[–]BubbleEngineer-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

She also can't raise it properly without some masculinity added.

[–]babyguineapig0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

My dad taught my son's to pee on the lemon tree :/

[–]BubbleEngineer0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Still better than you teaching them about the need for feminism, equality, and other fictions.

[–]babyguineapig6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you can't have your daughters thinking they need to vote, can you?

[–]BubbleEngineer0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women voting and Democracy in general are such terrible decisions I don't even know where to begin. Beyond that, she needs to understand that her goal in life is to find a man she trusts enough to turn over her agency to, and then support as a wife.

[–]RedPill115-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Regardless, she'll never be fulfilled in an LTR until she finds a man who is more dominant than she is.

It's funny, because other than the otherwise rude exchange following this, the original post doesn't actually disagree with this.

"she can reevaluate her needs and if a LTR is on her radar she can adjust accordingly"

Aka, I've raised her to be so alpha she'll never find a man who will satisfy her so she'll never have a long term relationship.

I bet she has had "more pussy than you". That's who's always going to be attracted to her - other when looking for a dominant figure to follow.

[–]ExpendableOneNeither2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I would rather teach my daughter to be strong and seek out her own partners, rather than wait for the first "alpha" to come around. Women typically have all the power to make or break a relationship anyway, so I would rather see her make the best of that power/privilege. If she wants to be a doer, or have a strong carreer, then she should go find herself a supporting, stable and caring man. If she wants to be a supporter, then she should go find herself an assertive and successful doer. Either way, I think there are so many other qualities that are so much more important to building any kind of meaningful relationship with someone than their height or "alpha" disposition(which seem to be the two top criteria women value men off of). Looking for a guy that is loving, devoted, ethical, good, attentive and healthy would be, if anything, considerably more constructive and beneficial for any kind of long term relationship.

[–]Deaddpooll3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No such thing as Ltr alpha, no matter what those guys say.

TRP works mostly for short term flings.

In a ltr ,you have to get vulnerable and let your guard down once in a while and if the girl leaves you over that, she's isn't worth the trouble.

[–]alfabuxRP Man with flecks of purple & blue4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I beg to differ. Just gotta find yourself an RPW.

[–]pillburtRed Pill Mana mana2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's nonsense, TRP is descriptive not prescriptive. You can do anything you want with the knowledge, including long term relationships.

[–]Deaddpooll1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Except holding your frame all the fucking time is impossible.Of course you'll break down once in a while, you're only human.

[–]Xemnas810 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've made a thread on this sub about this very issue, my friend. Check it out.

[–]autopornbotSentinel in pursuit1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This question doesn't make a lot of sense. There are alpha males that would make great partners for my daughter, and ones that would make horrible partners, and most I imagine would be somewhere in-between.

I guess, all other things being equal, I would rather her date an alpha type dude because he would have his shit together more than a beta. And I'm she would be happier dating a alpha male than some spineless twerp.

But that's just not enough to go off of. Hitler was an alpha, but so was Abe Lincoln. I certainly wouldn't be against a guy just because he was an alpha male :

This dude is confident, knows what he wants, and doesn't let people walk all over him. He leads by example and is charismatic and everyone likes him. GET AWAY FROM MY DAUGHTER, YOU WINNER!!!

[–]DaThrowaway808<('.'<) (>'.')>0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

APB - find me some girl on girl, light bondage, with monkeys in the background and lions roaring if possible.

[–]babyguineapig2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

One of my girls would be destroyed by the mind games TRP guys play. She would be a wreck. The other one would eat that alfalfa for breakfast.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

The other one would eat that alfalfa for breakfast.

Then he would not be an alpha

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points1 points 11 years ago | Copy Link

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[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Breaking girls jaws is not alpha. Controlling the situation by holding frame and not having to resort to violence at all is alpha

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I have a beef with redpill about some of their alpha beta descriptors and definitions

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps you could elaborate on this. Not trying to strawman you, but do you think violence is acceptable in relationships? If so, to what degree?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't speak in terms of "acceptable". Violence is.

I believe TRP misapplies alpha beta and omega. TRP is not about building "alphas", Its about building a better beta. I believe, along with Ricky raw and anglobitch, that the middle class alpha is a myth

Natural "alphas" are incompatible with advanced technological cvilization. They are serial killers, criminals, schizotypal cult leaders, and general ne'er do wells

The TRP "alpha" is a High Beta. Most men are betas. trp discusses betas as if they are Omegas, this is not the case. High betas are the best of men, both towards other men and towards women. They are who you want alongside you in the trenches and who you want to marry your daughter. They are Masculine ENOUGH, when not suppressed by an anti masculinity culture, to lead, build, protect, attract and keep a woman etc, without being so masculine that they are unable to hold down a job because they can't deal with authority or deal with any female assertion of existence without trying to smash it. They are NOT omegas, which I think TRP posters speak of them as.

The idea that "real alphas" "hold frame" when confronted with an obstreperous woman is a middle class TRP high beta myth. "real Alphas" threaten and use violence and throw mercurial temper tantrums to control people freely, because they can back up their behavior wih CREDIBLE threats of violence and they don't feel remorse.

In my opinion, TRP recommends "holding frame" rather than acting like a pimp (who quite often act like women with BPD, this is a long complicated bunch of theories im trying to mash into one post response to you) because when a HIGH BETA attempts to act like an alpha, he can't pull it off, his threat of violence isnt credible, his use of volence is taken as peevish and is followed by soul crushing remorse and fear of consequences, his attempt at a pimpotype tantrums met with eye rolling, rather than fear.

Look how President Camacho acts in "idiocracy". He is moody, changeable, laughing one minute, threatening violence the next, he does no kind of "holding frame" in that film. HE is a natural alpha, he can get away with acting however he wants because he doesnt give a fuck.

here is sir smokes alot from half baked, a pimp and a player. Look how mercurial, emotional, tantrumy, potentially violent, and not "frame holding" he is. Obviously this is a caricature, but its a caricature of someting real. A pimp doesnt care about johns because he doesnt perceive them as AMOG, they are losers who have to pay his women for sex to him. But how does he act if one of his hos flirts with joining another PIMP? He sure as hell doesn't "hold frame", he scares the hell out of her with beating and tantrums, he acts jealous and possessive.

TLDR: Holding frame is advice for BETAS trying to adopt sufficient alpha attributes to get and stay attractive. Betas can't pull off acting like alphas and have something to lose by being sent to jail. sorry if this was disjointed

[–]babyguineapig3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So no, you didn't have the guts to explain your views on domestic violence in relationships. Although I dare say that they'll be along the lines of "if she looks at him funny, he's within his rights to beat her to a pulp", but leaving him is still dereliction of wifely duty.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Interesting thoughts, thanks for taking the time to articulate them. For a less silly example of what you think is a "true" alpha, would Ben Wade from 310 to Yuma be a good example? "Son, i wouldnt last 2 minutes leading this band of cutthroat criminals if i wasnt rotten as hell." Then it turns out the entire group is expendable to him lol

[–]TheTerrorSquadlab rat1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thats a great film. From what I can remember Charlie Prince was more a typical alpha. They are not as appealing as crows character. Ben Wade was likeable and was doing something "good"( he was also very very manly) but the type of men HHL is talking about are veiwed as not very nice, selfish, imorral to the wider public because most people have waaayy more compassion than they do and recognise them as something"bad"

Your average man or even what TRP describes as a "alpha" would be horrified at some of the things these men do or how they behave. Trying to make a non alpha act alpha could potentially get him in deep shit if he were to come up against the real deal. Not only could the sudo alpha not deliver his threats a bona fide alpha would stamp out ANY threat to him regardless of consequenses and they are also hyper aware of any man who tries to threaten their position.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah good point. Charlie was clearly capable of leading the group but for some reason didn't want to. Realistically the other guys objecting to saving him were totally right to do so, it was a huge waste of time to try and save him and ended up getting them all killed lol

[–]babyguineapig1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Waiting to see if she's got the guts to reply....

[–]babyguineapig0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And you wonder why TRP is seen as a hate group?

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't wonder at all, I'd be surprised if it wasn't seen as a hate group. I don't give a fuck though because i am an individual and can take what i want from trp and interpret it/apply it to my life in my own. And dont care if butthurt faggots on the internet are mad at me

[–]babyguineapig0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How would a bundle of kindling hurt it's backside?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck yes. If I had a daughter and she found a good, responsible alpha man she would be about as happy as she could in a relationship. What all women want is a strong dude who's a rock in the storm who protects and takes care of them, not some beta slob who gets shit tested to death and can't enable the woman to enjoy her own happiness, but instead needs support from the woman.

[–]PostNationalismex-PUA2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

how many alphas are there ? does TRP know what alpha means?

[–]ReginleiferOnly Zombies want female brains0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd like my daughter to have a traditional relationship, and would prefer this over being chained to a weak willed man who she can't count on when times get tough.

And I'd 100x prefer a traditional marriage with it's problems over these degenerate new arrangements like Open marriages.

[–]twopumpkins2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've always wanted to ask a Redpiller his opinion of his own daughters...do you see them as possessing the traits that The Red Pill often espouses as inherent to all women such as 'sopilism', lack of logic and reason, lack of honor, no empathy, no sense of camaraderie, the need to be treated like a child for ever, hypergamy, and so on?

[–]adrixshadowIndigo Pill(aka dark and evil occult pill)0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was a time when men had character.

As long as he is serious and I can an pressure him into marriage.

All I can say is jackpot!

I would even smooth things out for my foolish daughter.

Of course I would test him out to see if he is worthy first.

[–]hairybeermonster0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't give a flying fuck if he's "alpha" or whatever. What matters is whether or not he's a good person. And if he frequents /r/theredpill, I can reasonably assume he's not a good person.

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe-1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather she date a nice solid beta with enough alpha mixed in. I'd probably have to teach him to game my daughter though...

[–]AshleyYakeleyFlying Purple Pill Debater8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd probably have to teach him to game my daughter though...

And if he runs screaming from her creepy dad, you know he's a keeper.

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-RCk1wFt5Q

[–]babyguineapig0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're not raising her to be a RPW?

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Easier said than done.

[–]babyguineapig1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So ' s toilet training and teaching them to read.

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