RSDTyler video demonstrates RP theory in the context of a nightclub. If BPers do not accept that humans relate to eachother in the manner suggested by RP then what are your alternative explanations for what goes on in the video?

Televangelis · 2014-06-10T15:39:25+00:00

I agree with the premise, some guys are granted the freedom to do much more ostentatious sexual stuff than others. I have a few friends like this, they can come out with the weirdest shit and people will be like "haha thats just greg you know what he's like" where anyone else would get crucified for it.

Where I disagree is this notion that everything has to come down to this -she just wants to keep her beta provider in line for a future husband- stuff.

The thing about those guys, they tend to be life of the party types, the effect works with men as well as women. Ever seen an insecure comedian? When a guy goes up on stage and clearly doesn't believe in himself or what he's saying and the audience senses that and just tears into him? Vs the entertainer who can say barely anything and have the audience eating out of his hand?

I think social dynamics are very interesting, and I hate the way a lot of PUA seems to reduce it to abstract theory that acts as if women are separate species rather than developing your own god given sense of reading people. You can watch the video and SEE that Tylers doctor friend has totally stiff body language and so when he's trying to be sexually aggressive it's coming off as inauthentic and consequently unsettling.

[deleted] · 2014-06-10T17:44:35+00:00

I've never said TRPers are ineffective at getting laid, I just think they're douchebags.

I skimmed that video have pretty much the same thoughts. He'd probably be able to find a girl to stick his dick into but he looks like a massive tool. If you look up to that guy then.... well good for you I guess.

ThorLives · 2014-06-10T18:02:41+00:00

OOooooooh god.

Uuuuughhhh...I hate to use the word, but this is pretty cringe-tastic.

Asking if someone's a pole dancer isn't a compliment. When the guy asks her if she's a pole dancer again, it's "funny" because they were just talking about how it's not a compliment. Obviously that's the joke. It's not really asshole behavior, unless you consider most jokes to be asshole behavior.

Guy then launches into his theory about why women blah blah blah. The woman he's talking to then realizes that she doesn't want to be there (you can see her looking away and then looking for an out), but she's boxed in by him and his friend (and that is pretty fucking telling). It's not that hard to tell that RSDTyler is bitter about being passed over one too many times and he's letting this random lady he never met before learn all about it. Attractive.

It's edited so we can't see all this witty banter crash and burn.

Man, even nice drunk girls are getting offended enough to chastise these two Casanovas. "That's not nice to say," one says. We don't know what she's responding to thanks to the clever editing (/s), but seeing as this guy is talking about pole dancers and kissing other girls, it's probably something related to a sex fantasy. Class. RSDtyler then breaks the situation down to the girl, saying she shamed his friend but not him because the friend is a "provider" and he's a "seducer." (Because who can resist that get up he's got on.) In this way he attempts to shame women back. That's gotta be a panty-dropper. Her response to his theory is edited out of course.

We can't really see this friend at all, so no one can really draw their own conclusions as to what is going on.

He's also super touchy...ugh. I hate that kinda shit. Grabbing on you, getting right up in your space for no reason at all. Augh. You just want to put a hand in his face and push him away.

There's a shot of two women walking briskly to a club. Doesn't look like they want to walk with either RSDTyler or his buddy. Looks like they wanna ditch 'em. And judging by their absence in the next shot, I'll assume they succeeded.

This guy's got a massive chip on his shoulder and he's letting every lady know. He just wants to spread the shame around. What a fun guy.

I skipped most of the video because I can't watch this for 20 minutes straight and caught a girl crying at the end. Why am I not surprised. "Hang out with me! I'll make you cry because I hate myself!" Nice.

Look I'm pretty heavy atm. Last week I had a pimple on my cheek. I mean it was like a tiny dome on my face. Despite this I party hard and have a great time with people. For being pretty hefty, I don't do too badly for myself. This guy is out to shame women, not have fun. Nobody they meet sticks around, nobody's really laughing, girls are hit over the head with his stupid theory. Why would anybody want to hang out with these guys? I kept rooting for the girls to get away. “Escape! You can do it! Gooooooo!!!”

AdbelR · 2014-06-10T18:58:07+00:00

I am not a blue piller or red piller, but my take on this is that the video is kedited, so we do not get to see the whole thing and the possibility that they did this until they go the responses they wanted is possible. Assuming that this is not the case and a lot of the things they mentioned or shot indeed occurred really quickly, then my response is that women are different and respond differently. I believe that NAWALTs as red pillers would term them and who would not respond to PUA advances do exist, but probably at a lesser extent than women who do respond in kind, hence why we see what we see and something which I believe is legit to a certain extent. Speech context can play a role in how something said is perceived and if something vulgar is said in a joking manner, odds are it will be considered in a better light than if it was taken seriously. So, to say that beta shaming and alpha praising because of this is viable. In addition, I feel a lot of women who did respond in kind to what occurred in the video are women who are some what insecure, stupid to think about what the guy actually said, and/or are bored and looking for attention. These women are probably not mature enough for marriage or a LTR yet or even not right for it. It is hard to tell because we don't know everything that happened, but this is my POV on the matter

[deleted] · 2014-06-10T22:39:46+00:00

Right, so some girls in some nightclubs act this supposed way, and of course that means all girls everywhere in any situation act the same way.

Honestly I don't know how this video proves anything. We don't even get to hear what the guy's friend says to her, and we have no way of comparing reactions that way. How do we know the RSDTYler's friend said the exact same thing? All we see is her reaction.

Also RSDTyle's attitude and approach to women is terrible. If some of them seem to like it, I for one know that I would be scurrying out of that place after the second word he uttered. He is being a cheeky asshole to all of these women, and when he reaches his conclusion he corners them with his friend so that the women sort of have no choice of going "yeah."

I mean seriously if I was in the same situation and this creep was invading my personal space in a club and cornering me with his friend, I would agree to whatever stupid theory he was advancing in order to get out of there. It's clear that many of the women he saw were doing just that. They went to a club for fun, not to be shamed and force-fed some kind of shitty theory.

Televangelis · 2014-06-10T15:42:09+00:00

Separated at birth? http://i.imgur.com/JuHbRlN.png

Exner2 · 2014-06-10T21:46:56+00:00

I think this speaks more to PUA shite than TRP. Be confident, tease, physical touch, etc. The video doesn't really show too much of the "beta provider" but he seems super awkward and stiff. No one is looking for that in the club. Other guy, in comparison, is "cool fun guy."

[deleted] · 2014-06-11T02:05:39+00:00

Conveniently edited so we don't hear Mr. Beta's approach. Which doesn't appear to have anything to do with his career as a dentist, ability to provide, or actually being "nice."

Stranger comes up all serious and says you look like a pole dancer.

Stranger comes up, chats you up, compliments you, and throws in that you look like a pole dancer, making it sound like a half joke, half compliment and that they were just joking. Calf muscles? Really?

"You look like a pole dancer."

"That's not a nice thing to say."

"You're shaming him because he's a provider!"

"Wut?"

Also? Ew. I couldn't make it past the first 5 minutes and I now have an overwhelming urge to take a shower.

Next!

rubybooby · 2014-06-11T10:19:26+00:00

I got about 20 seconds in. Who the hell goes up to a random woman they don't know and start ranting about double standards, in a nightclub of all places? You know, those places you go to for fun and dancing?

Also as a side note, wtf is he wearing?

John-Crichton · 2014-06-10T15:26:38+00:00

This owen guy gets a lot of hate from rp, I'm not familiar with RSD but I watch a lot of owens video and they're always good. The guys energy and vibe is almost perfect.

I like his experiment with the first girl, the first guy goes in all meek with light flirting and asks if she's a pole dancer, no results.

Owen comes in runs a different vibe on her then asks the same question and gets a positive.

Good stuff OP.

Televangelis · 2014-06-10T15:32:55+00:00

Sound off for the moment because I'm at work, but jesus christ that outfit on RSDtyler screams "I am basically the saddest and worst."

So right off the bat, we're self-selecting for the sort of woman who would be willing to talk to a man who's wearing that outfit.

[deleted] · 2014-06-10T19:33:36+00:00

With the heavy editing and the hijacking of sets; this may not be the best example of this in action.

However, looking back on my interactions with women since discovering pick up (and recently trp), I have always known this to be true. Generally I just attribute it to someone having good inner game and someone not having good inner game. I think this approach is much more useful than trying to shoehorn somebody into the role of beta.

Also, why are people raging so hard? It's quite honestly not that serious of a topic. The "best" reply on this topic is filled with such vitriol

IIHotelYorba · 2014-06-11T04:01:03+00:00

I like to imagine the posts in this thread as what goes on in people's heads whenever I get the death stares for doing this kind of stuff in public. I like to think how they bullshit themselves about how rapey, scummy, douchey I am when I'm sitting in a girl's room, being legitimately ok with not sleeping with her, and having her jump on me.

I need to work on just enjoying the humor part and letting go of the anger part as it's just holding me back. But for now I'll keep it simple and just enjoy how immensely satisfying it is to see people act so self righteously and then be proven so utterly wrong by the girls themselves.

Keep projecting, keep talking down to women. You're not one percent better or less sexist than the people you criticise, you're just on the benevolent side of sexism.

duckducklandwhale · 2014-06-13T23:21:58+00:00

Lol SO SO SO glad you posted this. I like how the BPers are having a mental breakdown in this thread. They basically reverted to "EWWW...WELL THAT WOULDNT WORK ON MY TYPE!" lol so oblivious. Too stupid to realize that Tyler knows more and has more experience involving sexual dynamics than their aimless "IT WONT WORK MY TYPE" yammerings.

wonderberry77 · 2014-06-10T16:45:06+00:00

Alcohol. Really? You couldn't figure that out?

southwer · 2014-06-10T16:12:12+00:00

jesus, that's 22 minutes long.

squirtmasterd · 2014-06-10T20:56:40+00:00

Can't argue with results

mollymollykelkel · 2014-06-12T17:23:07+00:00

How is an edited video by some random dude empirical evidence?

RedPill4LYF · 2014-06-10T18:29:33+00:00

ITT: Blue Pillers gettin' maaaaaaaaad.

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