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Alabama bill would criminalize false rape accusations

Phantom_Spark

January 10, 2020
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Alabama Bill to criminalize false rape accusation

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Title Alabama bill would criminalize false rape accusations
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Phantom_Spark

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Date January 10, 2020 12:04 AM UTC
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[–]aventadorlp273 points274 points275 points 6 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Our justice system sucks

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 245 points246 points247 points 6 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

I just found this and had to share. Hopefully others have more information. I watched a clip when they pushed this through. The democrats were PISSED. They became loud and aggressive and did not want this to be allowed to pass. Lol

[–]NohoTwoPointOh127 points128 points129 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Know your enemy.

[–]pn115973 points74 points75 points 6 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

This really isn't a partisan issue. I think many men regardless of political affiliation can get behind this.

[–]StreetShame59 points60 points61 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It removes one of the dems biggest plays, just ask Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Brett Kavanaugh, and Roy Moore

[–]Black705729 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There are no men on the Left.

[–]jimmy_eat_womb1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

there were just a few years ago tho. what happened!

[–]Memcallen4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're on the right now

[–]throwawaymadefor0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you think spineless rats like cruz or collins are real men then you've yet to meet one. Fragile motherfuckers who don't have a real sense of masculinity tie it to their partisan views to feel manly, grow up and think for yourselves I'm a fucking man who is a socialist and I'll explain why if anyone is man enough to have their own opinion and not be a tradcuck.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. You would think.

[–]RespectFurries5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except simps

[–]NathanHollister2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is for the alabama state legislature. They want to get re-elected and woman are the majority of voters.

[–]DOOM_INTENSIFIES-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I think you don’t know many democrat men...

[–]crazygasbag7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Most of the normies on the left including myself are sick of the shit. We just roll our eyes when a purple haired whatever calls us sexist, mysoginist, blahblah, etc. It really discredits them from making any substantive arguments about anything. The blue checkmark regressive SJW left including male white knights is much smaller than it appears.

I think the abuse of metoo is swinging the pendulum the other way and more people are realizing most of it was bullshit.

[–]miramardesign4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop voting for ppl who want to take away a man's right to choose freedom. They already have more votes from women since they live longer.

[–]wildfireboat3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

And after all that you're still on the "left"... dude... wake up

[–]crazygasbag3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's possible to believe in issues on the left and be a proponent of traditional masculinity. I don't need to "wake up". I firmly believe the sec of the population that brings up annoying aspects of identity politics will become an ostracized sect of "Alphabet People" that most will roll their eyes at.

There are much bigger fish to fry in policy on the political spectrum. It's a failure of the left that people associate crap identity politics foremost instead of the rest of the platform.

[–]wildfireboat-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If you support abortion, or Income or Property Taxes or letting everyone vote you're no friend of mine.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Are there any locales with running water and an electrical grid that do not have both forms of taxes?

[–]wildfireboat-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

How were these utilities afforded before Property Taxes and Income Taxes? Your knowledge has been limited.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I’m asking about modern day. I understand the past.

[–]Psychoalphadisco2 points 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Then may I ask what is your idea of good tax policy and why do you oppose abortion(which I think kinda get) and property/income tax

[–]The-Wizard-of-Oz-1 point 6 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

They weren't. There should be a flat income tax and only transfer property taxes.

[–]SlowJellyfish10 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some people like getting pegged.... even though they complain that they don't. After a while, you have to come to the conclusion that they are extremely stupid... or they actually like getting pegged. In either case, they are the problem.

[–]InvincibleV36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I am beginning to like alabama more and more.

[–]OddPhilosopher19 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sweet Home Alabama

[–]NOOB101112 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Indeed it is 😂

[–]Paladin290322 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

DemoncRATS are the enemy of man.

[–]DarthSpectra10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How fucking retarded and evil can you be to be against something like this? What's the fucking logic to incriminate someone who hasn't done anything wrong?!?! Also this should be a federal law

[–]FallenITD4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But... isn’t that their normal set of actions even when nothing is wrong?

[–]Janglesthemonke32 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where can I find the clip.

[–]CastandRefused22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it does. A lot.

[–]lonewolfhistory0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s because it not a justice system. It’s a legal system.

[–]techstural0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Most fools, all they can do is rag. Can't realize when someone tries to do something good for a change.

[–]DangZagnut138 points139 points140 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

So they get two slaps on the wrist?

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 135 points136 points137 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It mentioned punishable by up to 10 years prison. So if anyone follows up on this I would love to see what happens next.

[–]DangZagnut84 points85 points86 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Three slaps and a stern talking to.

[–]Silverblade540 points41 points42 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No strongly worded letter?

[–]spoderman61625 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What are you? Looney or something? It's a whamyn we're talking 'bout here. A letter is too much.

[–]bosslife24217 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That might make them cry... and ofcourse we can't have that.

[–]Patricijaobjectdude20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you entertaining the consideration of a concept where a woman might possibly face punishment???

Well you're obviously a butthurt incel.

[–]spoderman6169 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ReSPeCC wHAmYn U bLoOdY iNcEL!!! REEEEEEEEE. (Where's my crumb?)

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe assertive smoke signals?

[–]J3sush8sm39 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First offense: 6 months probation

[–]WanderlustYouth1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much, this is the same system that gives a female murderer a few years in prison for killing children

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/indiana-woman-gets-4-years-in-prison-for-killing-3-kids-in-school-bus-stop-crash

[–]mgumanto7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it says UP to, dont mean a crap. Its just a big fat facade, irl itd be 6 months max.

[–]21yeeet133 points134 points135 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

i love how the only person that doesnt like this is female

[–]LuvMeTendieLuvMeTrue26 points27 points28 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

person

[–]CHAD_TDK115 points116 points117 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

This is what I don't get: isn't filing false criminal accusation already a crime?

So, just enforce the existing legislation.

[–]SirBlankFace55 points56 points57 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

While that should be the case, they don't wanna follow through on that because "Real rape victims would be less inclined to speak out." but hopefully with this law asserting how false accusations have to be punishable, we'll see a change in tune.

[–]carlsberg2419 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

While that should be the case, they don't wanna follow through on that because "Real rape victims would be less inclined to speak out."

And that right there is the problem. Plenty of people are victims of crime and it's never easy to report it as there may be fear of reprisals, necessity to be grilled by the police, and various other unpleasant factors. Nonetheless, it's an important civic duty to report crime, particularly of a serious kind. A rape victim who doesn't report is endangering welfare of others who may be attacked by the same person. It's understandable that children are exempt from this responsibility, but women, who want to partake in society as full-fledged citizens, have to suck it up and do their duty.

[–]SirBlankFace5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wanted to do ThAt UpPeRcAsE ThInG to show i was mocking that bullshit mindset on victims, but that would have been annoying to read. Yes, i disagree with that mindset and to be blunt as far as i'm concerned, women who aren't willing to go to the authorities if they were raped, aren't worth a 2nd thought.

You're meaning to tell us that society wouldn't believe you if you ever came out about your rape when everyone is more than willing to believe you cause "WhO wOuLd LiE aBoUt SoMeThInG sO aWfUl?" Yes, the police are gonna be highly skeptical, when investigating, it's part of their job to find the truth, not "Listen and believe." So suck it up and see to it your rapist is jailed. If you don't even try, then it's clearly not worth me getting angry over.

[–]JS1476 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then they could issue a gag order on proving false accusation while punishing the liar, so that no one knows it was a false accusation.

[–]NathanHollister0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually, all the false rape claims undermine the credibility of actual victims, because we see false claims all the time on the news (Kavanaugh) we are less inclined to believe actual victims. It's a "boy who cried wolf" kind of thing.

[–]SirBlankFace0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that false rape claims undermined the legitimacy of actual rape cases, but to say people would be less inclined to believe a women is inaccurate or rather, whether someone believes or not is irrelevant if they still drum up a bandwagon just to appear simpish.

[–]SlowJellyfish10 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Real rape victims would be less inclined to speak out."

what about all the men who are targeted by false accusations? At least the "real rape victims" have a voice even if they choose not to say anything. In most cases involving false accusations, men don't have a voice because of "victim shaming".. They don't even have due process while they have their lives destroyed. If women want equality. Here it is. Women have to speak up and face the consequences if they lie. men are...

[–]martin06416 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Racially motivated murder is still just murder, yet it's a hate crime?

Filing false accusations don't have the penalties in place to equal what you would have if convicted if a rape you didn't commit, thus can't dissuade false accusations.

[–]Cuntfart90006 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Falsely reporting a sex crime can now result in up to ten years in prison. Filing a false police report doesn't have a maximum sentence even close to that. Basically, the punishment is now much more severe to pull a Christine Blasey Ford than it is to falsely report your neighbor for taking a shit in your lawn.

[–]n0t__t0day71 points72 points73 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The takeaway is Alabama Coalition Against Rape is a feminist ops.

[–]graydoggames40 points41 points42 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Waiting for /r/twoxbullshit to make a flipping out thread about how this is sooo bad and sooo evil.

[–]justiceavenger230 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

"I will be punished if a lie about getting raped. The world hates women" lol

[–]graydoggames18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Good, but needs more drama/panic/hysteria.

"THIS IS THE END FOR ALL WOMEN WE ARE ALL GOING TO BECOME CHATEL REEEEEEEEEEEEEE"

[–]thatcatdied11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"MEN ARE GOING TO RAPE US ALL. THIS IS RAPE CULTURE. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE."

[–]Launch_Day_My_Dudes9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

“Muh handmaid’s tale”

[–]Cuntfart90002 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They always fail to mention how that the author of that book said it was "inspired by how women were treated by Muslims after the Islamic revolution in Iran" and actually had nothing to do with Christianity until Hollyweird got their grimy little far-left hands on it.

[–]Cuntfart90002 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

MUH SOGINY!!!

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But muh feeeels

[–]Silverblade541 points42 points43 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Aren't they already criminal under perjury?

[–]martin06419 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Filing false accusations don't have the penalties in place to equal what you would have if convicted if a rape you didn't commit, thus can't dissuade false accusations.

Racially motivated murder is still just murder, yet it's a hate crime.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Would any judge give a fuck?

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 41 points42 points43 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don’t judges respond to incentives? They will do any immoral act so long as there is recognition and reward. No?

[–]Cuntfart90001 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Need to give them a trophy for "Most lying sluts jailed" and hold some big kind of fancy ceremony.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let them tell stories about the wildest slut that they jailed for lying about a man. Make it a competition. LOL.

[–]KaitouNala2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ultimately for judges it boils down to convictions/conviction rates.

The higher the rate the "better" the judge you are, so long as they get some one its a win for them i suppose?

[–]ClowntownDenisen123425 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

About fucking time

[–]LuvMeTendieLuvMeTrue7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor choice of words my brother lol

[–]SirBlankFace20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Damn, no abortions, false rape accusations getting prison time? Alabama sounds like an increasingly good place to be if you're a man. If you live the chad life, the cheating whore can't accuse you of rape, cause it'll actually backfire on her so now she has to live an honest life and if you live the blue pilled life, the women can't so easily kill your child.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women have pushed things too far. And the backlash is happening in real ways. This is one example. Another example is Fortune 500 companies openly admitting that women are dangerous. Even female bosses don’t want to be around women and suggest men and women be separated. And if a woman is around a boss... you need a buffer to keep an eye on her.

Men are pulling back in dating in the sense that men are more cautious and won’t approach women as easily as before. Even Henry Cavill stated that it’s not worth it to approach women anymore.

The French women warned about this causing a puritanical reaction. And they were right. LOL.

[–]Launch_Day_My_Dudes4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even Henry Cavill stated that it’s not worth it to approach women anymore.

To be fair, neither Superman nor Geralt of Rivia need to be the ones ‘approaching’ women.

[–]NathanHollister2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also the cheapest state to live in, so if you have some money saved up you can pretty much coast there. If you have $1 million, and get $40k in dividends a year, you can live comfortably there and never work again.

[–]Joshua440 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Just curious, why you think no abortions are good for men? Abortion is great for men who don't want to be on the hook for years and years of child-support, which I assume is most men.

[–]ABrownLamp2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya for real, fuck no abortions. How about if she wants to keep the kid against the guys wishes he doesn't have to pay child support. Now that's a law I can get behind

[–]SirBlankFace0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Baby steps.

[–]SirBlankFace0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Well like i was saying before, if you're blue pilled or rather, want to live the simple family life, then would you not consider it a good thing your wife would be prohibited from killing your child, especially behind your back?

It's bad for the men that would like to sleep around cause now they might have to bare the risk of raising kids/child support, but those men already take that risk living that life style. Not much has changed, if anything men now have a more proactive role in whether the women keeps the baby or not. In this case, it's helping her get over (or keeping her away from) state lines and i'm confident the men who would want to keep the child would be happy she can't abort and happily take it in.

How can you not see this as an overall win for men?

[–]Joshua440 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How can you not see this as an overall win for men?

Again: Child Support, Child Support, Child Support.

Spend 1000's of dollars on an attorney and family court fees, and then pay 2 decades of child support. Then tell me banning abortion is a win for men.

You must be a virgin or a pro-life troll (possibly both) because your logic doesn't make sense at all.

[–]walkersm0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I just think it would be great if the went all the way for men. Outlawed Alimony, Mandatory 50/50 custody of kids. WOuld love to see all the other states empty out of men as they all went and built thier dream homes on lots they snatched up fo $20K.

[–]SirBlankFace0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Patience, if this isn't done right it'll all come crashing down and never happen.

[–]PolukranosWordEater17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The only downside to this stuff is it might deter accusers to come forward and admit they lied. And if they know they will get jail time they'll just double down instead of admitting to it.

[–]SirBlankFace18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, whether they admit it or not is pointless because everyone wants to believe the man is guilty and is still fucked over for the rest of his life, telling the truth once the damage is done is just rubbing salt and lemons in the wound. So the least that can happen is the women gets punished for lying to begin with. Plus as far as i'm concerned, lying under oath and being adamant they're not lying will (hopefully) result in a harsher sentence.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have heard this claim and think it’s absurd. Why? Filing a false police report is a crime in any situation. That’s like saying if we prosecute people who file a false police report regarding kidnapping or murder being prosecuted would prevent honest people from coming forward. They should still face a trial where evidence would be shown. So of course a woman changing her story 12 times would look bad. Video evidence showing a woman behaving in a sexual aggressive way towards a man she claim grabbed her and had her way with her would definitely throw her under the bus.

So it wouldn’t simply be a lack of evidence to prove she was raped. It would be a case of... there is evidence demonstrating that she knowingly lied to police and here is evidence showing that she lied.

So if that happens? Persecuted false accusations with the same punishment as the crime. Let those women fry!!

[–]bosslife24214 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Alabama is doing a lot of things right these days.

[–]Leintk3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

dead ass lmao

[–]chrissseyy10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Armed Court Officer here (2 years).

I think the reason why the Justice System sucks is because the Jury has addiction on DNA evidence. The herds of sheep watch too much NCIS.

Guys. If you want to see the receipts on people who were wrongly convicted of crime, go to your local public library. There are dockets and documents there that Google just won’t put out in public.

As of this moment, DNA is DNA according to the sheep. The herds of sheep have to be educated on what transferable dna or accidental transferable dna is. Because they are wrongly convicting people everyday.

Imagine this for a sec. If you are in 5 feet proximity of a girl, there’s a chance her dead skin cell or hair might float into your jacket or clothes. Vice versa for you. This can be used to wrongly convict someone. “OOP! We found a single strand of hair on your shirt! You are guilty of rape! 30 years in prison!”

This is how bad it is at the moment.

[–]gdobssor6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Genuine Question. There’s a guy in New Zealand called Mark Lundy. In 2002, he was cheating on his wife with hookers. One night, he was away on a business trip in a town two hours away. While he was there, his wife and seven year old daughter were both brutally murdered. The first trial he was given was a show trial, basically claiming that the time of death was 7.30pm and he could have driven a trip that took two hours driving at 100kph and at the time he was driving was rush hour traffic with clogged highways and speed cameras (he was seen in the original town around 6.10pm).

He was found guilty anyway. The one piece of DNA evidence found on his work shirt was a piece of what they thought was nervous system DNA, but a scientist from Texas had used a really unconventional method to test it to determine what it was (immunohistochemistry) https://www.noted.co.nz/currently/currently-crime/scientist-in-mark-lundy-trial-obtained-research-brain-against-the-rules

In 2015 he was retried, the time of death was set as being a lot later, so he was again convicted. The immunohistochemistry evidence however was still let through. A lot of Mark’s supporters think that even if it was his wife’s DNA, the police probably accidentally transferred it when handling evidence as there’s no other forensic evidence pointing to him.

Can you give any insight?

[–]chrissseyy1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That wouldn’t fly in my court. The judges I know are open to 2nd and 3d opinions and not solely rely on 1 unconventional method. The way I see it, if the the prosecutor team manages to sell snake oil to the jury then the defense team must really suck.

There’s 1 case I know that the dna evidence was tampered and the whole case was thrown out. The defense was so good it reminded me of a Michael Jordan, Scotty Pippen, Dennis Rodman composition. The known conventional method is taking the accused’s dna and matching it with the found dna. If it matches the whole sheep will go AHA!! The found dna was carbon dated and it was revealed that the found dna was too old (or too recent can’t remember). But it did not match the time of the murder. It was off by a whole week.

[–]gdobssor1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well... you’re gonna like this... there was a woman who was about 70 who was somehow allowed to testify in the original Mark Lundy trial who said under oath that she had a photographic memory and psychic powers and that at around the original time of death (7.30pm on a Summer night so broad daylight) she was driving to her seniors choir practice, when she stopped at a stop sign near Mark Lundy’s house, and saw him running.

Here’s an archived article, it’ll make you shoot yourself. http://tvnz.co.nz/content/48487/2591764/article.html

This woman went on to be allowed to testify at his trial. The police allowed it. The prosecution allowed it. The jury and Christine and Amber’s friends swallowed it. At that point, forget defence lawyers, if you’re seriously falling for this crap, you’re literally dumb as shit. As in, you’re so fucking stupid you’re a lost cause and there’s no hope for you. Thank fuck she wasn’t allowed to testify at his retrial, but they still let the idiot from Texas testify.

Some other bedtime reading for you on the shit justice system in New Zealand:

Look up David Bain

Scott Watson

David Tamihere

Arthur Allan Thomas

Kevin Harmer

David Dougherty

Peter Ellis

Coral Ellen Burrows (this one is more about the struggles of her biological father and how nobody fucking listened to him, or her teachers)

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why being a juror has to be treated as a skill, similar to how voting in elections was to be treated as a skill as debated by Socrates.

[–]GerinX10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why oh why did it take this long for this bill to be implemented? The damage that accusation can do...

[–]contikipaul7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rapists need jail

Liars need jail

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple and to the point. You have my vote for office!

[–]Spezzit7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That won’t stop simp judges

[–]xmx9006 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol read the comments on that article.

[–]da207606 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This should be a standard

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Drake said he decided to create the bill because of a friend whose ex wife falsely accused him and his new wife of sexually abusing their kids.

[–]grahamaker934 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But does any of the judges have the fucking balls to enforce this?

[–]NathanHollister0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The DA would have authority to enforce it, not judges.

[–]Paladin29035 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

About fucking time. What amazes me is how this never was a crime. They should get an equal sentence, as though they committed rape, because they basically raped the guy’s reputation and life by lying.

[–]UganadaSonic5013 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thing is,how does one prove they were raped?unless you got a camera in your room(which idk if your alowed to record when doing it)otherwise it's just he said she said and we all know how well that goes

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s a problem for the justice system and people who are raped to figure out. But making it easy to convict rapists and put innocent men in jail makes the problem worse... not better.

[–]NathanHollister1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. If you were raped, proving it is your business.

[–]greyman04251 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo

[–]NathanHollister0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now you've got the plot! No more men being falsely convicted.

[–]mgtowmark4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Up to 10 years. In my opinion should be set at 10 years for damaging a mans reputation and so on.

[–]grahamaker932 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

10 years is a short sentence compared to if someone is locked up for false rape charges.

[–]LuvMeTendieLuvMeTrue3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And it is also a short sentence compared to many marriages, not to mention child support payments

[–]SkylineDriftin2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Has their ever been a case where men have falsely accused women of rape? Genuinely curious

[–]NathanHollister1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Judges just dismiss men's rape claims because society believes men can't be raped

[–]DepravedWalnut3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully this turns the slaps on the wrists these hoes get to decent punishment. 10 years sounds great!

[–]thatcatdied3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder. Does that mean jail time for false accusations?

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The bill suggests up to 10 years for it. So if anyone follows up on this it will be awesome to see.

[–]thatcatdied2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It should be years spent plus 10. (Like if the guy spent 5 years in prison that would be 15 years for her.) And if the guy dies in prison she should get life.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It should be treated as a worse crime. It negatively impacts that man and his circle. It can damage the company he works for because they will be seen in a bad light for harboring a rapist. It wastes police time that could be spent preventing or solving other crimes, etc.

Rape is horrible. However, taking an innocent man to court on a false charge that will cost him his job, his family and friends, send him to jail and likely get him raped and killed in prison is worse. There’s no way to move on from that. As difficult as it is to deal with rape... a person can still move on from that situation. A false accusation for it will likely end the persons life. No possibility to move on.

[–]Jokerboi77504 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This should be federal law but the libtards wont let that happen. #BelieveWomenMyAss

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Believe Deitz Nuts

[–]veasel792 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This will go nowhere, the feminist lobby is too big, and too much money is made all around. Lawyers salivate for these on both sides. Hell the supposed domestic abuse centers across this country basically operate on a head count system for funding. Be a woman and walk into a domestic abuse organization and they’ll coach you on what to allege and even assist you writing up allegations and provide a ride to your local court house to file for a bogus restraining order which any judge will rubber stamp.

The male is thrown out on his ass, and now operates on the assumption of guilt without any due process, next the male deals with the 51/50 standard where as if there was even a hint that anything “might” have happened he is now completely guilty. Any male finding themselves in this situation now must prove innocence instead of the burden being on the accuser.

If you’re lucky to prove innocence and all allegations/charges are thrown out your only recourse is a defamation or slander civil suit, which any attorney will tell you good luck with that. Essentially the judicial system will say “sorry guy but your not in jail so” no monetary reimbursement, or anything.

This legislation is much needed, but the standard talking points of basically “believe women” will be marched out, as well as the bullshit imaginary statistics of rape/violence so this will go nowhere. No judge is going to risk his career on even a 1% chance he allows a actual rapist walk so they say fuck it and burn everyone down.

Rape is a atrocious crime and the real victims deserve justice to the fullest extent of the law , but somewhere along the way our due process system become skewed that all men are predators. The silent victims of false allegations are real victims of rape that don’t have access to resources put in place for them because other vindictive women use them for personal gain.

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[–]pangolin0013 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's astounding how it's zero tolerance for so many 'women's issues' like Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Breast Cancer, Sexual harassment, sexual assault. For all of these causes - one victim is too many. One ass pinched without 'consent' is a capital fucking crime.

But for false rape accusations up to 10% (one in ten) is just fine and is a problem that doesn't really exist.

Stop making it so uncomfortable for women to lie! It's their main tool for power and control!

[–]Shadoe172 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I love the Dem's reaction to this, shows their hypocritical nature.

-"False reporting is already a crime, why make another law to do the same thing."

Jump to gun control; -"We need a law that makes it illegal for violent criminals to have guns" Umm, it's already illegal for violent criminals to have a gun, more bans accomplish nothing.

Pick a side an run with it. Increase the penalty for existing laws, then you get accused of being too harsh or working for the "prison For-Profit Corporation" by stacking the inmates.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shut up. That’s Dem Logic. My feelings don’t care about your facts! LOL

[–]ajthoma52 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I try to tell this to people, but they never want to hear it. The criminal justice system isn’t going to protect you from the majority of rapes, you need to take the steps you need to protect yourself.

Similarly as a man, i need to protect myself from being accused of rape. Thank You MGTOW

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. An adult is responsible for looking at the world and doing their best to put themself in advantageous positions while avoiding dangerous ones.

It’s only feminists who are so stupid to think that the world should just stop being violent. They shouldn’t have to protect themselves.

I would love to watch their reaction when saying that in the old times when Vikings would arrive on your door step. LOL

[–]Corvus_Uraneus2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Pay close attention to anyone opposed to this.

Anyone who claims that it'll make real victims afraid to come forward, ask them how all the stories of false rape accusations make them feel about being believed?

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bingo

[–]LogicAllArround2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a clown world when that isn't law by design...

[–]GeriatricTech2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this not already a thing?

[–]wildfireboat2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like Alabama.

Many forget many America's great engineering projects in space travel came from Alabama.

Bangin' your sister must produce some very intelligent autistic kids ;)

[–]silly_birb1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially when they fuck inside their family

[–]nacistas14881 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wait, so right now it's not a criminal offence to file a false report and waste police recourses because you feel like it?

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

People make the false logical argument that punishing women for false accusation in rape is a special case compared to falsely accusing someone of theft or murder or fraud. It’s all bad. And if they can prove a woman lied and falsified testimony or evidence then she deserves jail.

A woman who doesn’t have enough proof to convict a rapist isn’t the same as a woman who lies and either never slept with the man or who was the aggressor and wanted to f*ck him.

The strategy was always to confuse the issue. It’s the strategy women and feminists use every day.

[–]greyman04251 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed. You still have to prove that she lied beyond a reasonable doubt.

A man acquitted of rape is not evidence that she lied. The cops could have collared the wrong guy and she was too incapacitated (through injury or drug and alcohol use) to ID the perp or somehow bungled the investigation.

Duke LaCrosse case yeah the bitch lied.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree 100%. Women in that situation need to be under the jail.

[–]purohitkrishnar1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Alabama of all states, ironic.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I know right? They got tired of being called inbred trash and said... we can do better. LOL

[–]NathanHollister1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The rate of inbreeding is actually not any higher in AL than any other state.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know. That’s just the public perception. I imagine jokingly Alabama said we’ve had enough. Let’s show these people how it’s done!

[–]armed_renegade1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They aren't already? Shouldn't any false accusation of any crime be criminal, especially serious ones, when made maliciously, or knowingly false.

[–]tvr_god1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am just a European lurker and I find it so funny for some reason that the guy's name who introduced the bill is Dickie Drake

[–]Griever1141 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The only place it will have a snowball's chance in hell in passing is in the south.

[–]Le_Casual1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This has been for a while now, i'm sure women will leave Alabama within days.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good. Maybe then we can create MGTOW sanctuaries. LOL

[–]Kekerekinox1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A false rape allegation should incur the same penalty as the possible outcome for the innocent person.

[–]Rafique6781 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes!

[–]Tyler_Golemon1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Damn, Alabama gets more and more appealing lol.

[–]NathanHollister0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What if I told you that it also has the lowest cost of living?

[–]Tyler_Golemon0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow hmm... I’m just worried about wages but I’m an engineering student so I should be fine wherever I live lol.

[–]NathanHollister1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It won't pass.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know. Alabama apparently passed something making abortion difficult to get. Feminists used rape as an excuse. Alabama said we just won’t care. No!

[–]NathanHollister1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Women's solution will just be to lie that the assault occurred in Mississippi or some other nearby state instead, so they can get the case prosecuted there.

EDIT: The feminazis are going nuts, this is beautiful. They don't understand the difference between "There is not enough evidence to convict" (which means nothing happens to the woman) and "We can prove she was lying" (in which case she goes to prison).

8% of cases are proven false

in 5%, the defendant is found guilty

in 87% the case is tossed for lack of evidence, or the defendant is acquitted.

The feminazis think the accuser would be subject to prison in the 87% and 8%, while in reality, only the 8* would see the woman going to prison. The number of cases where the state has enough evidence to prove a claim false are few and far between.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL.

Y U No Logic?!

Y U No Math?

Oh wait. Muh feminism. LOL

[–]BonnieBinyourBonnet1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally justice!!

[–]TigPlaze1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the cue for feminists to scream "misogyny." Don't want to go to prison for life for a crime you didn't commit? You must hate women.

[–]HonkHonkBro1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As good as it sounds on paper, there needs to be more details and implemented carefully. Though the cases are few remember boys and men can be sexually abused as well. They need to be careful before/if they pass this double edged sword.

[–]greyman04250 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It is assumed you are lying if you say a woman forced you to have sex with her unless you are a kid. Now if she drugged you and anally raped with an object, there would be evidence of that.

Sexual assault, groping and the like will require video or lots of witnesses and a pattern of he bad behavior to make any headway.

Best defense is the same victim blaming advice we used to give women.

  1. Go out in groups. Designated driver stays sober to provide over watch.
  2. Watch what you drink and how much.
  3. Maintain 100% control over your drink and food. If you turn away, leave it or have any doubt, it's no longer your drink or food. Pay for it but do not drink or eat it, order another.
  4. Wear cloths you can move freely, run and fight in. Men have it easier than women on this, just wear baggier cloths and don't use dress shoes.

[–]HonkHonkBro0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I know those 4 steps already. I rarely drink and even more rarely go to parties. I find more and more those things are more for girls to enjoy than guys anyways. It is hard to gather evidence of certain things. Thats why this bill needs to be done carefully. Guys do have an advantage of dressing more casual. But seriously, is anyone forcing women to dress in the most restricting clothes and shoes possible? Personally Im against dress shoes and more so high heels. Both I bet can damage feet long term. I really despise and sometimes turn off media for too often presenting somebody in this kind of dress up as able to be flexible, fight, etc. Fuck it just wear as casual as possible whenever possible and that prevents all sorts of issues.

[–]greyman04250 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Formal dress cloths, business suits, slut wear are all impractical cloths. The more impractical the cloths the higher the status you have.

Yoga pants are the exception when in it comes to self defense. It will allow to move but will not protect for shit.

[–]Red_Pill_Philosopher1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good.

[–]gurdler1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sweet home accusations

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL

[–]Wisdom_of_a_Khan1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a step in the right direction, Needs to be a felony class C at the very least, If they make it a fucking Civil infraction it's meaningless.

[–]TryingHarderest1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can’t wait for this one to make it here

[–]ABrownLamp-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean false rape reports should def be illegal, but that's fucked up if a woman just can't prove in court that she was raped.

[–]Phantom_Spark[S] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You mean like plenty of other crimes where the person didn’t have enough to prove they were wronged? Of course it’s messed up. But that’s not a uniquely feminine thing. We just need to evolve and build better ways to catch people. Similar to how DNA and cameras opened up a whole new world of evidence that weren’t possible before.

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