Is the current sexual and intergender negative climate a symptom of the decline of the Western World?

VZPurp · 2013-05-24T03:09:35+00:00

Don't worry about it, just watch some TV.

Deansdale · 2013-05-24T08:34:45+00:00

This is not the first time that female nature takes over and destroys a culture or civilization. The ancient greeks/romans had the same problems: people not wanting to marry, having no kids, animosity between the sexes, feminized men and masculinized women, all thanks to the expansion of "protofeminist" laws and ideas. We are on the same slope now, so it's not farfetched to conclude that we're pretty much doomed if we don't take drastic immediate action. It is questionable if this pile of shit in its current state is worth saving though. I don't find the preservation of intersexual affairs in their current form a desirable thought.

All in all, the political/bankster elite is responsible, most feminists are just ignorant useful idiots stupid enough to believe any old bullshit stroking their egos. Feminism is weaponized female nature, and in the hands of said elite it was used to great effect against us. Shame on us for not realizing it way sooner, when we could have done something to protect ourselves.

Demonspawn · 2013-05-24T19:43:14+00:00

just a symptom of a bigger problem?

Yes. The problem is the belief in equality, which leads to pluralism and crowdism.

But those are just symptoms as well. What is the ultimate cause? Success. Success weakens people, it separates them from the natural order. Soon they worry about shit that doesn't matter more than the shit that makes them able to worry about shit that doesn't matter. They'll fuck themselves over about the niggle-points on bullshit that fucks up stuff which must work to keep society going.

So what's the solution, considering a successful civilization is a desired goal? It's religion. A common religion in a society gives the society a common goal. It keeps them advancing instead of infighting. It keeps the society as an ingroup and the rest of the world as a mostly outgroup, which bonds the society tighter and keeps them working together. And while the people will still worry about shit that doesn't matter, the religion, acting as "natural law for dummies", keeps them from fucking up the shit which does matter.

This isn't the first time a great society went secular and killed itself. I doubt it will be the last.

Ragnar09 · 2013-05-24T17:10:10+00:00

Just wait till a massive war begins again. Let's see how feminism does

2013-05-24T09:45:58+00:00

Symptom of a bigger problem. It is not like all was fine then suddenly feminism came out of thin air and kaboom, things got bad. More like feminism is just one subset of the centuries old push towards an ideology of equality and autonomy.

My opinion is probably biased by my Buddhist influences, but ultimately it is the ego. It is the self-centeredness, it is the selfishness, it is the narcissism. All through history, women and men were born in societies that gave them predefined roles, tasks, duties, expectations, goals, virtues to try to achieve, vice to try to avoid, objective meant rules by which to judge each other and themselves. People couldn't be too self-centered because they had a long list of duties they had to do, they could not be narcissistic special snowflakes because a person's worth was more or less objectively determined by how well he/she does his/her duties, feelings were irrelevant.

The history of modernity is the history of liberating the ego. It is more and more about living according to our own desires (the Buddhist in me says: enslaved by our desires) with less and less duties, prescribed roles and limits, even limits born of objective necessity or rationality or biology. And we are more and more equal, because whenever you have a common goal, you can rank people according to how well they pursue it, but when everybody is chasing their own fluffy little dreams, then nobody is worth more than anyone else.

Feminism is simply a subset of it. It's basically about women's desires being unwilling to accept certain limitations, that they cannot have it all, that they cannot, for example, hold down an exciting guy and yet not be a bit submissive to him.

We too often get into women-are-bad moods in this sub. It is useless to blame women. Feminism in the modern form would be nowhere without Rousseau, Kant, Marx, Mill, Adorno, Foucault etc. They came up with the ideology, feminists adapted it.

aminorityofnone · 2013-05-24T05:37:09+00:00

Look at feminism's "academic" root, postmodernism and there you find your answer.

It is psuedointellectualism targeted at genuine intellectualism, a horrendously complex and flawed philosophy that cuts at the core of Western society, rationalism. Postmodernism has been used to defend anything from feminism to mainstream media. It looks like liberal arts majors really have changed the world. Just in a bad way.

Clauderoughly · 2013-05-24T20:46:46+00:00

Look at feminism's "academic" root

Angry, upper class lesbians ?

Seriously, almost every feminist leader from the 1880's onwards was a lesbian.

2013-05-25T01:14:09+00:00

Western society died with the atomic bomb.

We have too much personal choice and freedom, and the ability to choose instantly. Choosing NOW is a weapon of capitalism, people make worse decisions on the spot. People don't ever stop and think before deciding.

Western stagnation was bound to happen with the atomic bomb. We can't go to war with any nation that has another atomic bomb. We can't even affront their military, really. Does any of you realize how deep this effect is on world politics? It's a 100% game changer. Do you think we would have went to war with the soviets if there were no nukes?

(you'd be wrong if you answered no)

burningtimber · 2013-05-24T05:31:52+00:00

I think it's a symptom of a bigger problem. In a really healthy society, feminism would just be one more odd belief, like nudism.

Nietzsche saw the west declining in the 19th century. Yet by today's standards, the western societies of the 19th century look very robust and confident.

Nietzsche, I think, saw the root of the problem in Christianity - the glorification of "slave virtues" like meekness, obedience, etc. You can see echos of debased Christianity in modern environmentalism, liberalism, and male support for feminism.

But that doesn't explain why the west flourished for centuries under Christianity, then became poisoned.

strontiumdog · 2013-05-24T08:09:00+00:00

Start the World

YouDislikeMyOpinion · 2013-05-24T18:45:58+00:00

I can't help but think for time now that the fact that LTR are becoming a high-risk, low reward arrangement isn't just stemming from a clash of ideologies but a symptom of the beginning of the end of the Western World.

Couldn't agree more. What exactly do I gain from an LTR?

Female fulfillment in life has dropped significantly from what I've read.

Couldn't agree more again.

I'm still figuring out exactly what I would need from someone to commit to them. I'm guessing I would need the following:

A very high IQ
Very sexual personality
High career fulfillment
Never cheated
Strong family values and ties
Solves all problems herself

There's a lot more than the 6 I listed.

What I would need is a real woman.

Women are self-interested

That's fine, the problem is that their self-interest is relatively easily fulfilled. Everything is handed to them on a silver platter. Want a boyfriend? Simply go out, and a guy will ask you out. And it can be any sad excuse of a girl that will get guys barraging her for her vagina. What do these girls do? These girls look for quality in guys, so naturally, guys will increase their quality to appear more favorably. Whereas the girls do not have to change because they are getting most of what they need already.

TehGinjaNinja · 2013-05-25T02:12:17+00:00

There is a pretty big gap, both in terms of time and ideology, between first-wave feminism (the suffragettes and their ilk) and second-wave feminism (which began the "destruction of social intergender stability", as you put it).

The reason why second wave feminism didn't take off until the 60s was birth control. The introduction of oral contraceptives did fundamentally change women's nature, as they could now have sex without worrying about getting pregnant.

Human pair bonding evolved for the sake of child-rearing. Women needed men to be providers and protectors for them during pregnancy and for their young after birth. The idea of female independence from men, which is the essence of second-wave feminism, is impossible without birth control.

TL;DR it was a technology (birth control) which enabled the ideology of modern feminism

roe_ · 2013-05-24T13:25:47+00:00

Comtemplate how this specific invention has caused a cascade of massive changes in incentives in the SMP:

Birth Control Pills

chiefroaringpeacock · 2013-05-24T05:12:54+00:00

I certainly hope this brings an end to the Western World, whether it actually will or not is a question none of us can answer with any certainty. Maybe we'll pull a solution out of our asses and fix it, but the thing is we can't go backwards (even though it might solve our problems people are conditioned to always think "what happened in the past was bad we don't want to do that again), and I don't know what the next step forward is. Genetically creating a gender neutral human that will slowly replace all males and females? All I know is it won't stay the way it is for very long, very few people are truly happy with this shit.

IllimitableMan · 2013-05-24T09:30:11+00:00

There are theories that the jewish elite banking families (Rothschild et al) put feminism into high gear in the 60's by backing/lobbying for government to enact pro-feminist legislation (what before then was a mostly insignificant non-mainstream movement) in order to avenge against the caucasian race for the holocaust of jews in Auschwitz. Feminism being a type of population control to wipe out the white race. Combine that with cited statistics of at least 33% of humanity being white in 1950 to a projected 9% of humanity in 2060 and from the outside at least, there seems to be a modicum of validity to the idea that feminism has had a perverse effect on our ethnicity, and we are the ethnicity in the sharpest decline as we do not meet the replacement rate of A MINIMUM 2 children per woman, whereas all the other ethnicities do BAR the sub-ethnicities of southeast asian, the Japanese and the Koreans who too both have very low replacement rates.

Whether the ideology is being used by a greater agenda such as elite banking jews to avenge the holocaust, or something else - is something only very few people on this planet know for a certainty. What we do know for certain is not the agenda behind it (if any) but that feminism is basically killing our race of humanity as we don't replenish our numbers adequately whilst women perceive themselves as superior beings that place their own sense of worth above both men and the family unit. Add multiculturalism in to all white countries and the interracial mixing that occurs as a result and this further dilutes the white gene pool, other cultures take their geniality very seriously, as we whites in the west used to, but now that would be called racist and such a thing immediately elicits such irrational disgust and contempt in the majority that such a policy remains contemporarily unthinkable, even to preserve our own genetic lineage; despite the irony that all the non-white races still consider geniality and discourage interracial mixing outside of the west (Indians hate Indians marrying non-indians, more so any race they consider beneath theirs in proven historical intellectual track record eg: blacks.)

Conspiracy theory or conspiracy fact? I don't know, what I do know is we're in decline and we're comfortable with our technology and our social conditioning which promotes complacency and incompetency (mass media, advertising, automation etc) so we let the decline happen. Our dying out is a form of non-violent passive genocide and feminism is by and large incredibly accountable for that.

Title	Is the current sexual and intergender negative climate a symptom of the decline of the Western World?
Author	iamme2
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Date	May 24, 2013 2:54 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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