The so-called 'Dark Triad'

Ketogainsmongoose · 2017-11-08T00:16:24+00:00

One thing I wish someone would have explained to me much earlier in my rp journey is the morality associated with uncovering and even cultivating the dark triad traits.

I'm sure most of us have an innate resistance or shame surrounding the concept of narcissism and employing Machiavelli style tactics in our social lives. This conditioning, much like feminism to the unsuspecting boy or girl, serves to sway the weak into servitude. Really, people are MUCH easier to control when they hold their own selves to a system or standard without constant reinforcement.

Imagine a prison full of inmates who's own 'morality' cued up every time they approached the open gate. They'd fight with themselves until they ultimately succumb and head back to their cell, knowing they did the "right thing."

I'm here to tell you that there is no morality. There is no judgement.

In the beginning there was earth, animals and men. Nearly every aspect of our experience is the result of doctrine or influence by other men. Strong willed men out witting or out maneuvering weaker men and women in order to control them.

NOTHING HAS CHANGED.

Our morality, culture, laws, rules, customs and traditions are creations of other men. Sure, some of them serve the common man, but I assure you, the vast majority of them are in place to control you.

With this in mind, why submit? Are you not just as much of a man as the others who have come before you? What gives them the right to dictate what you think, feel, experience or achieve?

What gives them the power? They did... They took the power by utilizing FRAME AND GAME. That's it.

There is no morality, there is no God. There is strong men, weak men, women, children and animals.

All you have to do is decide where you fit and be prepared to face the consequences of your actions, however positive or negative.

SmamelessMe · 2017-11-08T01:53:15+00:00

In the beginning, morals were a good thing.

But then some people figured out they can be used as a tool to control other people.

Empathy is being able to understand what the other person feels. Empathy is biological in social animals.
Compassion is being able to understand why the other person feels certain way. Compassion is an extension of empathy.
Morals are a set of rules intended to help you avoid unnecessary actions that make the others feel bad. Morals are an extension of compassion.

Empathy, compassion and morals are tools that helped humans form powerful social groups, which then evolved into the society we have today. Cooperation in groups which made good use of those tools made the group strong, and able to take itself above other groups. This is why morals and virtue are so valued by "high society" and powerful individuals. They understand their importance in context of cooperation.

Groups where empathy, compassion and morals were exploited by other members of the group reverted back to individualism. In some cases, this actually led to better society, where individuals were actually better off. But in most cases, such society simply fell apart or was overrun by a more cooperative one.

We have found ourselves today in just such society. The value of cooperation has been lost, as it is easily exploited by people using dark triad. What what does that mean for you and me? Well, this is where it gets complicated.

Every time we decide to take an action that impacts other human beings, we consciously or unconsciously use empathy, compassion and morals to judge the impact of your actions on the society, and in extension your position in it after the action.

If you find yourself a member of group which rewards cooperation, it is against your best interest to use the tactics you have described, to exploit others. You will know this, because it is in your nature to know when you should cooperate. That is why these traits were historically labeled bad.

However, if you find yourself a group which exploits cooperation, it is in your best interest to use these tactics. For groups which do not reward morals, compassion and empathy, the label does not apply.

Myself? I seek cooperation, and virtuous people. I understand and value the benefits of cooperation with others, and participate in groups that cooperate. But I also limit my exposure to groups which do not value cooperation, and have no problem using dark triad tools to operate independently in such environment

tl;dr: Understand the benefit of cooperation, but know when the label "bad" does not apply. Even monkeys do.

TheLaughingRhino · 2017-11-08T12:43:00+00:00

The base problem I see with "Dark Triad" and the manosphere is the same problem people have all over and pretty much everywhere.

People trying to monetize something.

There is zero money in MGTOW and Incels. Zero. Guys either out of the game or guys who feel they were forced out. These dudes are not buying ebooks. They are not trending some other dudes stuff on Twitter. They are not lining up to be personal "coaching clients" They are not racking up YouTube hits for someone.

Married Red Pill is a different target market. These are guys PROVEN to be cows to milk. They are leveraged out and under the gun by the modern system so they are looking for some kind of frame hack to stop the misery in place. This group is ripe to buy ebooks, get "coaching" and keep the hit counters moving.

To me, the monetizing aspect of "Dark Triad" ( not all of Dark Triad, just trying to turn it into a business) is more about demanding someone's money and then saying Fuck You to their face at the same time. (Basically what most Western modern women do to men) You too can be a Sith lord bad ass without mercy, just , you know, pay me 19.99 USD for this Ebook. You are not welcome, fuck you , you loser.

Sometimes I shake my fucking head. The manosphere ( not all of it, mind you, not all of it, not everyone is like this) sometimes shifts into a new age fat loss industry vibe. Dude, try this. Deal A Meal cards! Use points to lose weight! Drink this shake! Try this ebook! Look at what my personal coaching can do for you!

The only thing that seems time proof is trying to capitalize on people's innate desire to feel shamed for their money.

Most people, IMHO, have a truly poor conception of "ruthless" I've seen some truly fucked up shit in this world. True poverty, not this homeless people with cell phones horseshit in America. I'm talking ethnic cleansing. Children sold into sexual slavery. People who can't even get clean drinking water. People executed for praying to the wrong thing or just being a little too educated. People leaving their big screen TVs to scroll their IPhone to get on mass transit to sit in their cubicle farm, scheming to outwit people they work with to "manipulate them" How ruthless is that? When someone cuts the throats of your family in front of you, to me, that's ruthless. When you walk into a village and there's a stack of bodies so high, you can no longer tell where one person ends or begins, that's ruthless. When you watch people die of disease, starvation or famine, while some homeless guy in America is carrying bags out of a Food Bank, including some older expired organic stuff, yeah, that's so fucking miserable.

The bizarre thing is the people I know who have seen the worst shit, many of them are also the most easy going and humble people I know. They know how fucked up the world can be, and are grateful they don't have to live like that. It's like it's some kind of sin to be chilled out easy going person who doesn't calculate utility at every turn. Yes, don't be a doormat, don't get a sucker, but it doesn't mean the other end of the spectrum is your only choice.

There are places in the world where the easiest way to clear a minefield is to send people through it. Including children. So yeah, when some dudes are banging some other dudes wife and mulling first world problems and cackling in glee over tricking Bob in Accounting to buy them a new flat screen TV and pay for all the drinks, feel free to have some kid who doesn't speak a lick of English, about to step on a mine and watch his entire world end in a bright pink mist make a gesture.

Want me to translate that gesture?

Here it is - No motherfucker, I will not buy your ebook. I will not be your personal coaching client. I don't give a fuck about your ad revenue and hit counter on your blog.

Dark Triad People! Now With 20 Percent More First World Problems!

Imagine the T shirt with that on it. Would sell better than the Ebook, that's for sure.

RP085 · 2017-11-08T11:14:03+00:00

I know you didn't ask for my opinion, but I'll tell you something.

My "gut reaction" to your post is that you live out of your intellect.

There's different "layers" to a person's "self" other than the intellect.

People who are dumber (or people who are more right-brained or whole-brained) tend to be more in touch with their intuition rather than having to dissect and logically analyze everything, which isn't in itself necessarily a bad thing, but it can lead to getting lost trying to understand a few trees rather than seeing the whole forest.

Those other people can "get" big pictures without analyzing as much. It's "knowing things without knowing how they know".

I can tell that you think too much. And while that isn't in itself a bad thing, when it comes to being with women, "vibes" and "feeling" make up for a lot of the attraction. The energy between you is what creates the magic, which is in your body, not in your head.

Sounds like idiotic, oversimplified and/or non-useful advice? Yeah. But here's my take on the whole dark triad thing: What it really comes down to is that "Dark Triad Men", if we distinguish such a category, are men who have exactly the kind of energy that turns women on. That's the whole point of the "Dark Triad" thing.

Dark Triad men do whatever they want to do, not what others tell them. They don't care what anybody thinks of them, they have no remorse, no worry, no anxiety, just a calm complete self-assurance that they are the king and they are going to move through the world like a bulldozer making their way and having whatever they want, because they want to. That's the energy of a man.

When a man is cold, like a psychopath would be, he is only fixated on what he wants, like an arrow flying out of a bow straight and strong and swift toward the bullseye, it doesn't pussyfoot around like a passive person would (i.e. female energy). Women are attracted to men who represent the opposite polarity of them, who have an energy like water: Sitting still and reacting to other people and things around it; malleating to things, to situations, yielding. Allowing. Yielding to life, yielding to that water-parting man, yielding to his penetration, to his seed, to his energy. It's the polarity of that.

The whole point of the "Dark Triad" stuff is that it points to some characteristics in men that are "hot". It is in no way intended to be instructions to be followed by-the-letter, or an exact scientific examination of how to be attractive; it's just a pointer. Concepts are pointers to truth. And truths more often than not are lived through experiencing them rather than through thinking about them.

Edit: Typo.

nattypnutbuterpolice · 2017-11-08T19:39:05+00:00

If you act like this all the time you're probably going to end up surrounded by psychopaths or alone.

[deleted] · 2017-11-08T03:59:13+00:00

Dude, I've hated the Dark Triad until now.

And I'm not a fucking noob.

FinancierGuru · 2017-11-08T06:50:54+00:00

Expand your circle of influence !

Power is the spawn of all imperatives.

mental_models · 2017-11-08T17:19:11+00:00

Lacking in detail! I mean its a good introduction but Illimitable Men has more detailed writing. Im currently writing my notes about the dark triad.

Very important thing I read about machiavelliansm: First, books about military strategy, propaganda, politics, leadership, power etc is pure machiavellianism, it just isnt marketed this way. You need to read it, they give you a head start, but the way you progress is observing people and getting an intuition about them.

Second, there is NO step to step guide on machiavellianism. You need to have a refined logic to apply the principles into your personal circumstances. Where there is power, people will try to take it away from you; step to step guides may be written by men who have the intelligence and know why things work like that, but even if you apply them correctly, you will not have the intelligence and ability to defend your power.

TrueFacets · 2017-11-09T09:02:48+00:00

Really good post in my opinion, should get more attention!

officerkondo · 2017-11-08T19:28:09+00:00

Why do you say "so-called"? What term do you say should be used besides "the dark triad"?

vwzwv · 2017-11-08T00:43:10+00:00

Narcissism doesn't have to be an overly active maladjusted psychological characteristic. Having the presence of a narcisist is a great tool. You do have to have narcissistic capacity. You don't have to be bat shit crazy. When you demonstrate you have intellectual and emotional range people notice.

Shukakun · 2017-11-08T10:18:23+00:00

Regarding psychopathy, I think it's a good idea, like you said, to separate it into empathy and morality.

I doubt I'm much of a psychopath, and I think most people who consider themselves psychopaths really aren't. It's one of those things young guys tend to self-diagnose as just to seem edgy.

That being said, I've been accused of being one (or had the possibility brought up, but not in a hostile way) a few times. I took this autism spectrum test with a psychologist a while back where you were shown just eyes and you had to determine what emotions they were expressing. Less than 30% correct guesses indicate autism, and I was somewhere around 80-85%. So I definitely understand people, emotions and non-verbal social cues. The thing is, if the person is not someone I have a close relationship with, I just don't care. Anyone at acquaintance level or below, I really don't give a fuck about.

Whether that is a form of autism, a form of psychopathy/sociopathy, or just normal human behavior that others have the common sense to not openly admit to, I honestly have no idea.

Title	The so-called 'Dark Triad'
Author	mental_models
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Date	November 7, 2017 11:19 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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