How many of us are okay with the fact that we are never going to marry and never going to have kids?

captainsaveahoe69 · 2017-11-04T13:14:14+00:00

As a man that's been married twice and has kids, I'd feel pretty good about it let me tell you.

jkarovskaya · 2017-11-04T14:09:41+00:00

DAMN GOOD

I got married once many decades ago, and let me tell you THAT was the last time dude.

NEVER AGAIN will a female have a legally binding document that forces me to hand over assets if she suddenly decides to have a fling, find "herself" , or hamster over to Chad.

agent_of_entropy · 2017-11-04T14:00:22+00:00

I've known since I was a pre-teen than I never wanted kids or to get married. Dumbass 20 year old me got married. It lasted 9 months. Bitch was sleeping with anybody who had a pulse and a dick. Nevermore, quoth the raven, nevermore.

mthrowaway52 · 2017-11-04T14:28:04+00:00

Like it has been said before. I'll just pay your kids to take care of me. Although realistically I'd probably just buy a robot to do the same.

I still don't care for kids. About two weeks ago I went out to eat and this dumb whore single mother brought her baby along. Of course she was given the table right next to mine. The baby was screaming and crying non stop. It took about 3 minutes for me to ask for a different table, ideally on the opposite side of the restaurant. I could still faintly hear the baby, but it wasn't as ear shattering as it was when I was in the table right next to her.

Deal with that all day every day? Nope.

I can attest with 100% confidence I don't want children.

dot_dot_beep · 2017-11-04T13:46:47+00:00

Some temporary genetic egoism becomes irrelevant in a few decades.

You'll spend your last years alone and isolated from your "kids" anyway. Might as well enjoy your life as it is.

Hell, even when you start aging, your kids start eying what they stand to inherit from you more than any familial love.

jkarovskaya · 2017-11-04T13:48:15+00:00

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NietzscheExplosion · 2017-11-04T14:30:50+00:00

37 y/o. Never married. No kids. Feels good, man.

selfism_mike · 2017-11-04T15:05:00+00:00

Tl;DR: It is Saturday morning, I took some adrafinil and I am spilling now my deeply philosophical guts about why the want to reproduce has nothing to do with what is really benefiting us as metabolic beings.

Answer to the above question: I am okay with it.

There is no reasonable biological argument for why you should ruin your life in the name of reproduction. Any single one of your genes is present in many others of your species and your special combination is not maintained in your kids once you reproduce.

I look at the desire of having a family, and the consequential pressure and feelings of inadequacy as just another trick of nature to enslave the members of a species to sacrifice themselves for the propagation of that species.

Example baby-schema: Seeing a baby causes most of us to engage in emotions leading to care-giving and protection. Big head, big eyes, chubby body signal "I need protection and affection and am worth to be taken care off", while the true reason for the big head and the big eyes is that the brain grows less than the rest of the body and has already to be big, and the chubbiness (skinny babies are not cute) signal health, so further investment is not wasted. So pure economics, nothing intrinsically "cute" about it. There is a lot more to it like all the different noises they are making. Purely metabolically a baby is a parasite: First growing up in a womb consuming energy and putting the carrier in danger and dependency without giving anything in return. Finally the parasite hatches, so there is a chance to get rid off it, but no, the baby schema (and hormonal conditioning) kicks in, so parasitism continued.

My point here is (and I like babies, because they are cute): The baby schema is just an example that those various personal and deeply emotional attachments you are feeling are likely not yours, but instruments evolved to keep you enslaved to the process of reproduction. How many other schemata are out there? I am speculating there is a schema of the caring and understanding loyal female (for men, for women there is some male schema.) You are feeling protective towards women? You are longing for closeness and affection and companionship in form of a woman? Think about it: When was ever a woman a companion in your life, and not a nagging burden? When was there ever a woman who was truly caring, understanding and loyal? How objectively real is the "cuteness" of a baby? That is how objectively real is the caring, understanding and loyalty of a woman (apply the same to females using some male schema.) We all are being played big time by nature. In our most vulnerable states (as babies and children) we long for caring, understanding and loyalty, and this desperation is intertwined by the evolutionary process with mate choice generating the desire to mate and bond. There is no metabolic benefit to that whatsoever (not even for women, because originally the infection by a human parasite was on average much more costly than the benefit received from a caring male.)

We are being deceived by nature to propagate the species. So all of these deceptions are not you; going after what those schemata tell you is not you taking care of your metabolic and spiritual benefit, but rather betraying it. Enlightenment means to be able to look through this deception, eliminate the desire for that what will ultimately cut you down and destroy you.

deeptimeswimmer · 2017-11-04T19:40:53+00:00

I am a confirmed MGTOW, simply as a survival strategy. I am now 42, single, content, and free.

And Yet....

Loneliness creeps in. Your body, your genes, start quietly wailing at you in the small hours of the night. 'Where is your woman? Where are your little ones?'

And I am not ashamed to admit- there are times when it gets too much me, and I cry. But I do not break down and start to associate with women.

I just wish times were different. I am saddened so much by the hatred and contempt I get as a man. I would have made a good husband to someone. A good father. And I can't be either.

that_nast · 2017-11-04T14:36:35+00:00

I can see the benefit of kids. I come from a large extended family. But the fact that marriage has to pretty much go along with it is what really deters me. That and the fact that at my current age I'm exhausted and I only put in the minimum 40/hrs a week to stay employed. I can't imagine what it would be like having to man up and take care of a mother and kid(s). I can't wait to drop from the workforce and do my own thing. It's the main reason I'm on here. I pretty much skipped the whole red pill phase because I came to the realization that women and kids cost too much and that's not what I really want out of life.

Wallstreet3 · 2017-11-04T18:14:28+00:00

When I was in my late teens in the late 90s, I took a good hard look at the game and made exactly that choice. That was 20 years ago. I am now near 40 and my life is quiet, calm and still. I get to do what I want, how I want, when I want and don't have to apologize or beg forgiveness. There ain't no pussy or kids worth giving that up.

I made the choice to die alone 20 years ago. There is nothing like the privilege of 100% ownership of your life.

scrapscrapscreetch · 2017-11-04T19:58:12+00:00

That is my happy thought.

On Friday night, I had a corporate event plus dinner. After which all the men resigned themselves to go home. All making jokes about how they are in trouble and sleeping on the couch.

I went and ordered a cute little Chinese hooker then enjoyed my time with her in a hotel room overlooking the city. Then finished the night off with a six pack in a very large bath and watches john wick.

I'm comparison between myself and my married peers. I will never get married and kids will never happen. I think my life is awesome.

Helikzhan · 2017-11-04T20:17:18+00:00

All I want to do for the next half of my life is:

Drink moderately.
Squeeze as many loads off as possible into my sex dolls.
When I'm not doing that, use the sex dolls as body pillows.
Eat the best food I can afford.
Watch every show I can afford.
Get more dogs.
Get more into philosophy.
Build a ton of shit around my property.
Get into Art just for personal gain.
Dabble in some FIRE plans.

As you can see I could use another five lifetimes to do all the things I actually want to do.

2017-11-04T14:21:40+00:00

Never wanted kids to begin with.

Destroy_Rebuild_ · 2017-11-04T13:19:12+00:00

It wouldn't be going your own way if you weren't okay with this. That being said, I also feel pretty good about never marrying or having children.

toysjoe · 2017-11-04T15:39:46+00:00

I’d like to have kids, and I’m willing to pay for a surrogate for it.

Alternatively, if the artificial womb becomes a thing I’d go for that as well.

I’m not only okay with not getting married, that’s the only option that exists.

Heisenbread77 · 2017-11-04T16:30:21+00:00

I already didn't want to have kids. After my engagement ended this year I know I will never buy another ring (luckily hers was cheap and what she wanted).

I sleep just fine at night.

strangerthing7 · 2017-11-04T16:42:09+00:00

I couldn't care less, although I know of friends of mine who have kids but wished they only had the kids minus the wife. 90% of the time the wife is their problem, while all of them are caring and loving fathers.

micestorff- · 2017-11-04T14:29:29+00:00

that sounds like my plan bro.

wasthereadogwithyou · 2017-11-04T15:19:37+00:00

It definitely wasn't my original plan, but I've seen too much to go back to that way of thinking.

2017-11-04T15:37:05+00:00

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fruguy · 2017-11-04T16:15:32+00:00

Marriage, never cared for it. Wouldn't mind kids though.

cleats4u · 2017-11-04T17:33:58+00:00

And basically this means I'm never going to have to worry about child support, alimony, poverty, jail, being cuckolded and humiliated etc. I'm pretty OK with that.

bkk123 · 2017-11-04T18:28:39+00:00

Something that hasn't been mentioned here is also that any kids you raise are being fed into the straight white male hating modern slavery machine. If you aren't in rural US, homeschooling and putting your kids to work on your farm / business I don't see the point. You are essentially perpetuating misery.

MethaCat · 2017-11-04T21:22:49+00:00

Ask yourself this: what is the name, occupation and life story of your 8 great grand parents? Stuck at getting at least the full name? Guess what, that will be you in 4 generations, the whole fucking thing is pointless, not to mention that whatever happens the human race will become extinct like any other life form. Just make the most of your time by staying as free as possible to do so.

PenisTorvalds · 2017-11-04T14:50:09+00:00

I love kids. This is why a i volunteer coach youth and middle school sports

2017-11-04T16:00:21+00:00

I am absolutely ECSTATIC. It's all I can do to keep from grinning like an idiot for 24 hours a day.

NietzscheExplosion · 2017-11-04T17:53:52+00:00

Don't worry too much, most western governments prefer to import the cheap labour.

You are sparing your future DNA time in Western Gulags.

d4ng3rz0n3 · 2017-11-04T18:29:03+00:00

I'm not happy about it.

I have a rare family where everyone except 1 of my parents 9 collective siblings are married with families. Even the divorced sibling is remarried and is doing great.

There are few people I know that can say the same even about their immediate family, not to mention their extended family.

I think raising kids and having a family would be great. I don't think most women today are cut out for it, and the legal liabilities for a man if a woman arbitrarily decides to quit makes it seem extremely risky.

BreathGenie · 2017-11-04T19:08:03+00:00

34 years old, knew I didn't want kids at age 17 when my older sister raised her son at home. I don't feel bad for my friends with kids (and no lives) because most of them view me as "not a real adult" because I'm childless.

2017-11-04T20:18:59+00:00

Not worried about it. I've noticed women are easier to get along with as they age. I figured when I'm 50 I'll just find a 40 year old so I have someone to watch TV with.

I'll just say I'm poor so marriage didn't come up

Jarwanator · 2017-11-04T21:06:36+00:00

The world is fucked up and I don't think I'd want to bring someone into this life yet. Also I can choose to have kids no matter how old I get unless I stick my balls in a microwave and fry them. My time is limitless, women don't have a choice.

The only thing I'm currently fighting is old expectations from mothers and sisters "You are 29, most men your age have 2 kids now. Just look at your cousins!".....Then why don't you fuck my cousins and continue your bloodline.

fmanly · 2017-11-04T23:28:15+00:00

This is hard to answer. I'm certainly confident that MGTOW is the right way to go.

Would I prefer to live in some alternate reality where a woman would love me unconditionally and we could be equal partners on a journey together? Sure.

However, I also recognize that this simply isn't going to happen in the real world. I'd also love to quit my job Monday and retire, but that isn't going to happen either. At least that is a goal I can actually work towards. Women aren't going to change anytime soon, and that is something I can't make happen.

Strawsier · 2017-11-04T13:18:14+00:00

Amazing

CeleritySteam · 2017-11-04T13:21:27+00:00

I'm completely fine with sealing out financial and time liabilities, yeah.

gods_bones · 2017-11-04T14:32:50+00:00

There was a time around 26 when I had wistful thoughts of having kids, but #1 - if I have a daughter, I'm fucked because she will most definitely turn out like my sister. And #2 - I already knew well about divorce rape. So I begrudgingly decided I would simply have to spend my money on me as I go along. :)

2017-11-04T14:41:19+00:00

I’ve gotten over and accepted it. I get reminded daily by watching my siblings deal with their kids. Kids are a burden and money burning expenses. Sure, I have that natural urge to reproduce at 25, but I know in the long run my personality doesn’t allow me to have children. I would eventually resent them for intruding on my adventures and freedom. As for marriage, I feel that I may be inclined to it even tho I really don’t want it, that’s if I even decided to date seriously. I would probably suggest a ceremony without actually getting married legally, just for show.

mehimboredd · 2017-11-04T15:21:36+00:00

Never will get married or have kids. Figured this out when I was a teen. Never saw the appeal to spew out some mini-me with some other wench that in turn can legally destroy my life with some papers. Even if the laws weren't total crap I still wouldn't do it.

38SPL · 2017-11-04T15:58:11+00:00

You bet your arse I am.

KingreX32 · 2017-11-04T16:22:18+00:00

It used to bother me alot, but not anymore. Every own and then I look at my Niece and I'm like "cute kid" but nah. The Redpill wasn't that hard for me to swallow. Never had much female attention growing up so I like to work on my defenses.

2017-11-04T16:33:07+00:00

Totally, 100% at peace with it.

2017-11-04T17:19:56+00:00

I'm okay with it.

frankmarlowe · 2017-11-04T17:24:50+00:00

I'm ecstatic. My free time remains mine. My money (aside from taxes) remains mine. My sanity remains mine. I am free to basically do anything within the confines of the law and personal financial constraints. Does freedom get lonely? At times, yes. It'd be dishonest to imply otherwise. But there's always friendships. And if porn get's old, there's always pump & dumps and sex-workers. And if I ever feel the need to "do something" with my life, there's always a shortage of people doing good charity work that needs filling.

eja_cool8 · 2017-11-04T17:46:04+00:00

A-Ok! Hoping to retire by 40. At the latest.

Trek13 · 2017-11-04T18:03:09+00:00

Most men won't nor should they as it's in our genes to breed and you really should want YOUR genes to pass on.

Yeah fuck marriage but no reason every guy doesn't have a couple random kids they don't pay for nor interact with running around.

2017-11-04T18:10:06+00:00

Ok with it? Are you kidding? Those are the worst things that could happen to me.

2017-11-04T18:30:37+00:00

Been married, nothing you can't get physically and emotionally outside a relationship. Marriage is over rated. Better off as life partners because now it's a choice between two people rather and having a contract.

as far as children goes, there's adoption and surrogacy.

zurrain · 2017-11-04T18:39:39+00:00

I was married and had a stepson for 6 years. Having gotten a taste of that lifestyle, I’m not just okay... I’m fucking thrilled.

2017-11-04T18:49:36+00:00

That's the unique selling point of MGTOW in my manly opinion.

2017-11-04T18:57:59+00:00

Perfectly fine.

marian5567 · 2017-11-04T19:30:22+00:00

I'm ok with that. Let others fall in the trap.

boringcarpets · 2017-11-04T19:38:53+00:00

Totally fine with it. Wake up and smell the truth - the tradcon dream smells like shit

wordsandstuffs · 2017-11-04T19:40:38+00:00

I'm repulsive and have finally found a way to cope without improving myself!

2017-11-04T20:05:25+00:00

I feel bad for my parents but not me. I've tried to give women the benefit of the doubt but no. I am okay with this.

PlanetSmasher666 · 2017-11-04T21:09:47+00:00

I feel fantastic about it

MrJugsMcBulge · 2017-11-04T21:31:28+00:00

I decided from a very young age that I didn’t want children...and that hasn’t changed over the years. Kids can be cute, but I can only deal with them in small doses, so having my own is definitely out of the question.

I used to think it would be nice to get married - my folks have a strong marriage and are best friends, so I have a good model. But I have zero confidence that I’d be able to find a good partner, given how damaged millennial women are.

But I’m at a point in my life where I’m happy with my life and comfortable being on my own. As far as I’m concerned, there’s nothing that a woman could possibly contribute to my life right now that would improve it. Even sex and physical intimacy - as I’ve gotten older, my interest in that has dropped off to virtually nothing; I couldn’t even justify paying for a hooker any more. Also, I’ve accomplished about half of my life goals and marrying would get in the way of accomplishing the rest, so there’s no sense to it.

2017-11-04T21:44:19+00:00

Perfectly okay with it.

Marriage - we all know why. It's a coercive bondage contract with the government. If your partner requests marriage, she's either retarded, psychopathic or both.

Children - the Earth is massively overpopulated; geopolitical tensions are high, and resource sustainability is low. On an individual level they are a massive time and money sink. Genetic legacy doesn't matter, and national/cultural identity especially doesn't matter. Not to mention, childrearing has been weaponized by the state as yet another way to exploit men.

Never felt an inkling to do either.

eduardomanero · 2017-11-04T22:19:50+00:00

I'm hoping to be successful enough to do something like moving to Russia or something or maybe I'll make a leap of faith I don't know, I'd like kids someday.

DonaldTrumpsWaifu · 2017-11-04T23:55:31+00:00

I'm still coming to terms with it, given that it wasn't that long ago that I dreamed and fantasized about having a wife, kids and that whole "white picket fence" lifestyle. But I've realized now that it's in my own interests to remain single and even remain a virgin because of the huge amount of risk that's out there, especially now with the so-called "Weinstein effect" and the emergence of the cult of automatic guilt.

2017-11-05T00:04:49+00:00

If i ever make multiple million dollars i'll have a kid through IVF and potentially a womanless uterus (technology?).

MGTOWManofMystery · 2017-11-05T00:58:53+00:00

Just talk to the lifeless husks of men who've been married too long with their brood further draining away the man's lifeforce and money.

ChadwickBillington · 2017-11-05T01:54:04+00:00

I'm more than OK. We are the lucky ones!

TB409 · 2017-11-05T03:10:29+00:00

Proudly taking that path!

2017-11-05T09:27:05+00:00

I think in today's day and age, it is absolutely important to have a thorough introspection before heading down that path. Getting married and having kids was something that was blindly accepted/expected 30-40 yrs ago. As such, people did a (relatively) much better job at parenting etc. I'm the only child of incredibly loving and caring parents and I will continue to love and thank them for the rest of their/my life. However, I am certain I will never be able to match their level of parenting should I become one myself. I use the word "I" because marriage is certainly out of the question, if I have a child, it will be with a surrogate mother.

2017-11-05T14:58:35+00:00

I find the idea of living with a woman repulsive.

I am not against having kids, there is a logic to it, but I don't particularly desire it.

Title	How many of us are okay with the fact that we are never going to marry and never going to have kids?
Author	yes_no_username
Upvotes	93
Comments	158
Date	November 4, 2017 1:12 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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