Is marriage Overrated??

White_Mlungu_Capital · 2020-02-20T03:39:06+00:00

Benefits of marriage.... = 0

Cons of marriage

-alimony

-lose half your shit if she signs a paper

-gets half your money for the next 10 years to life

-cost alot of money

-guarantees nothing

-women want a wedding and to get married, but not do the work of staying married

-You will do the work and spend the money to lift her up when she is down, but when you are down she will be encouraged to leave you for being weak and dragging her down

-The biggest con of marriage in the west is you cannot have one. Marriage is tying of families reinforced by society. In order to have a marriage, you need a society that reigns in women's emotions with logic and tell her she is wrong. Women don't do that anymore, they don't tell their girlfriends they are wrong when they are wrong but defend whatever wrong they do. Hence you cannot have a marriage, when her entire bubble and circle and support system will tell her she is always right.

If she were to go fuck 5 guys behind your back right now, society would blame you for not showing her enough attention. "Woman are a flower to be watered after all". If you go fuck 5 women because she doesn't put out. "Its his fault for not understanding her postpartum depression, or putting her in the romantic mood". Everything will be your fault, she bears no blame so you cannot marry what effectively is a child in an adults body.

If a child fucks up, it is the parents fault, he should have been watching him. This is how modern day women in the west are viewed, adult children who bad actions are the man's fault.

cz_masterrace · 2020-02-20T01:54:24+00:00

In the US today? Yes it is highly overrated. It will give you nothing that you can't get without it...and most likely will add more negatives to your life. You give up financial freedoms when you enter into a marriage and/or have kids. You give up law equality in regards to gender.

Perfectly okay to not get married.

Sid_Insidious · 2020-02-20T02:44:57+00:00

It's highly over-rated.

But don't worry. Listen to your Blue-Pill buddies and married guys selling it to everyone else. (Those MGTOW guys are just bitter loser who chose wrong, they will say.) You're going to choose wisely and beat those coin-toss odds of losing everything because you're going to be a good husband, not a bad husband who gets divorced. Easy peasy.

Russian Roulette with three bullets in the gun.That's the other mathematical way to describe coin toss odds.Parachuting with a 50% chance the chute won't open. There's another.

CHOOSE WISELY!! Because people never change, ever. LOL. Blue Pill wisedom is so cool.

DangZagnut · 2020-02-20T01:54:49+00:00

It's ok with me, you have my permission. Out of politeness you should inform her so she can decide if she wants to stick around.

Robert_is_a_Loser · 2020-02-20T02:10:37+00:00

If you get married this is basically how it's going to go: https://youtu.be/pB8W845Uf1s

If i could talk to myself at 19 I'd tell myself to seriously reconsider my decision and not because "I'd get bored only having sex with one person" (like everyone was telling me) but rather how expensive and/or unfair the process of divorce is. There is a documentary called "Divorce Corp" that will tell you everything that you need to know before you put yourself at risk. It's easy to get married but it's hard to get divorced lol

Given that stats I don't think i could recommend anyone get married anymore. It's not what it used to be.

MGTOW_BEASTMODE · 2020-02-20T04:41:21+00:00

If you meet a person and you love them.. why would you go "hey I know.. let's invite the government into this relationship!!!!!"

MajIssuesCaptObvious · 2020-02-20T03:56:24+00:00

I've read and heard statistics of marriages being truly happy (both parties being happy) to be between 5-12%. Those aren't high odds. Of course, it depends on the couple. Some people and couples are more prone to be happy in general.

avtarius · 2020-02-20T04:05:01+00:00

Don't need marriage to reproduce.

Don't need marriage to be happy (alone and otherwise).

Don't need marriage at all.

Still, "common law" is now the other way to get wrecked.

jack123955 · 2020-02-20T04:51:25+00:00

You guys are awesome I don’t know what the future holds

Nathaniel66 · 2020-02-20T05:22:21+00:00

The only way i'd marry is when the law in my country respects prenup where i could secure my money & child custody (if any). Otherwise no f*cking way.

everydaygreyman · 2020-02-20T12:23:14+00:00

Marriage is awful. Worst decision of my life.

DrDespolardo · 2020-02-20T05:57:31+00:00

ask yourself this, what will i gain from marriage that i can never have without it ?

Impossible-asset · 2020-02-20T11:23:45+00:00

Ok. Heres what you need to know:

Divorce rate is very high, over 50% in many estimates. Women initiate 70% of divorces. Men lose their property, 25% of their future income for maybe a few years, or until the ex wife remarries in some cases.

Why would you expose yourself to that kind of liability? For the nice feel-feels of a wedding that is an overrated dinner party for her?

Something to ask yourself.... are you happy with your girlfriend now? If so, then why change anything at all?

Dont get married, it's a trap.

maqshar · 2020-02-20T04:26:33+00:00

Technically and Legally its a Contract of Co-habitation. Moreover, breach of trust and specific performance is only one sided even in the court of Law.

DreddNz · 2020-02-20T04:39:58+00:00

YES IT IS

danyals4241 · 2020-02-20T12:01:45+00:00

Marriage is for women, not for men.

Marriage once was for men, it was used as power status during the ages of Empires and tribes. We are now in an industrial society, marriage is an outdated system which treats women like princesses. Marriage should be done with.

Men retain their social value till the age of 60 to 70 (Keanu Reeves, Tom Cruise, Josh Brolin) and they can reproduce till the age of 90 and above. Men can get married at 55 if they wish.

Women retain their social value till the age of 30 to 40 and begin having reproductive issues by the time they reach 50. Women don't have long before they become saggy bags of skin.

This is the ultimate reason as to why women are so excited, adamant, and in a hurry to get married. On top of many other reasons, but this is one of the major ones. Women know they are constantly losing value as the years go by, they need to trap a high value man before they become deadweight.

"OMG, my big day!" "Do you promise to grow old with me?" "I can't wait to get married and have kids"

every woman ever who gets married.

The other reasons are that women are helpless, useless, and clueless without a man by their side. Women don't work as hard or as good as men, they don't earn nearly as much as men because quite frankly they are lazy and don't want their pretty nails and makeup to get dirty, and they seem to not know how the world works even though they are grown adults, with the mindset of a child of course, and woman are also weak so they need a machine to do the heavy lifting.

Now let's chart what both genders benefit from in marriage:

Women:

Financial support.
Protection
Kids.
Heavy lifter.
Voice of reason.
Divorce protection from government.
Easy home life, no need to work.

Men:

Sex.

That's it, just sex. Both of my hands can substitute for that and it won't cost me years of pain and bloodsucking.

Women initiate divorce the most and men commit suicide the most, especially divorced men. You do the math.

Yasai101 · 2020-02-20T12:29:09+00:00

Go ahead and marry.. but come back to us once you understand.

SilverSlasherX · 2020-02-20T16:29:47+00:00

I personally will never do it. I don't care what the laws are I'm not putting up with nagging bitches and It's useless dominating a submissive housewife. To me it's cheaper and efficient to be alone

wawakaka · 2020-02-20T05:50:46+00:00

marriage creates a need for divorce, so avoid divorce by not getting married.

Yami-no-Kami · 2020-02-20T07:01:28+00:00

For me it is. I always was against the idea of me getting married. After all, I can love my partner and be a great couple with them without some expensive signal of our love for each other.

And like I already said. It's expensive, stressful and if your relationship doesn't last and you get divorced it's gonna cost you a lot of money again. Not to mention the risks for you if you have a kid.

So I'd say marriage is not only overrated, but risky in multiple ways as well.

totallossguy · 2020-02-20T07:19:24+00:00

I’m married and never been happier. She doesn’t rule my life and I don’t rule hers. She makes me a better person and it goes both ways. Life decisions are made together and we only push each other forward and never hold one another back. Compatibility is very important and I am lucky to have found someone for me.

Taguroizumo · 2020-02-20T07:59:58+00:00

Single men can have kids and access pussy if they so desire. Marriage lost it's value a long time ago. The only men who are safe from marriage are poor, ugly and out of shape. It's the same way with abortion, no baby to a rich father gets aborted.

somber_smiles · 2020-02-20T09:51:54+00:00

How is this even a question? From what I've read, they men always say they love their children but if they had to do it again... They wouldn't get married. Nuff said.

amwfhunter · 2020-02-20T10:22:24+00:00

Yes overrated

UDT22 · 2020-02-20T11:46:06+00:00

Very overrated

5gil135 · 2020-02-20T12:03:45+00:00

I was married once. It was a good period in my life. Won't lie. I enjoyed it a lot. Having a family and kids is awesome. I miss it.

and then I got divorce raped and now I live in horrible poverty, never see my kids and have no chance of ever having any kind of success in life no matter how hard I try. It's basically having your life forced into slavery, you're forced to work non-stop while living in poverty.

Only get married if you want kids and you better understand the risks first. Hide all your money. Never combine finances. Have your workplace send all your W-2s and stuff to your parents house. Tell her you have no money in the bank while secretly shifting most of your money into a private account that she doesn't know about. If you buy a house, don't put her name anywhere near it. It's sad but in today's world you can only get married if you lie to your wife constantly.

GlobalAsshat · 2020-02-20T14:53:13+00:00

Guy I work with who said he'd never get married now tells me he has to ask the girlfriend whether he can work some of my overtime tomorrow. Like I've said talk is cheap. You are not going to listen to any of us nor will you even listen to yourself.. You will let your feelings guide you. Live...and learn.

NeverNeverLandIsNow · 2020-02-20T16:20:56+00:00

If you are a guy I think you would be crazy to get married in the US, having been married I can say outside of the potential financial legal and financial problems your future ex can cause for you living married can be a real shitshow.

Do you like having to ask permission to spend your own money? Do you like getting nagged after a long day of work? Do you want to get yelled at for absolutely no reason you can figure out? Do you want to see her dry up like the Sahara after a ring is on that finger? Or worse she doesn't dry up but blows up like a beluga whale on an ice cream bender?

AnericanGuy59 · 2020-02-20T18:23:24+00:00

Are you a male? If yes then you won’t get anything out of it besides a lost house and checks cut in half so it’s pretty overrated.

SUEDE2BLACK · 2020-02-20T19:47:08+00:00

Yeah just makes 2 people miserable.I know several men in their 70s and 80s all either divorced or never married.The never married ones are much better off.

The never married have more money.Their children don't hate them.They have better overall living situations.

The divorced ones that never remarried are better off than the ones that took on second wives.

principledbeast1 · 2020-02-20T22:39:47+00:00

overrated as a concept and down right stupid as a legal practice.

madman636 · 2020-02-21T22:19:18+00:00

It’s is completely overrated. The risks dont outweigh the benefits

Xornor · 2020-02-22T22:02:58+00:00

Yes it is overrated. There is no reason for marriage. If two people want to live together, they do not need ceremonies and acceptance from anybody else. Marriage is just a way to control people - as a part of religions.

FindingKeeping · 2020-02-20T04:14:20+00:00

Absolutely. ..

IncelWolf_ · 2020-02-20T04:19:35+00:00

Bro I would totally marry you if it were not illegal. Funny the same people wgo propigate a culture of promiscuity and alienate those who are virgin are the same people who outlaw it to be gay married. Ironic.

leviathanch · 2020-02-20T05:49:01+00:00

Short answer: YES.

To the title question and the second question. Just make sure that you protect yourself legally in case she has a temper tantrum and wants to get divorced.

Unless you intend to have a GoT-style divorce and your wife happens to be a black widow of course😂

But in this day and age you might even make sure of that beforehand😂

2020-02-20T10:19:52+00:00

It's a religious ceremony (completely out in the open terms and conditions) with financial obligations (never explained until it's all over) tacked on.

HonkHonkBro · 2020-02-20T10:45:48+00:00

Marriage has a lot of laws tied to it hidden behind the scenes. There's benefits offered to make it seem more appealing, like insurance cuts or tax breaks. It's not easy to live with one specific person the rest of your life though and possibly sacrifice independence. I don't see much wrong with just living together and splitting expenses. If tax cuts and such end up being needed, perhaps explore civil union and domestic partnership options. Marriage doesn't have to be as bad as it often is, but unfortunately, people make the mistake of seeing marriage and life after as if in a Disney movie. It's not. It's a serious choice that follows to the grave. Hell, think of the terms commonly used at a wedding. "I now declare you husband and wife, you may now kiss the bride" Whether it means to or not, perhaps it alludes to the fact that the local society is "giving you permission" to be together. Ask yourself though, why tf do you need permission?

My advice is if you do really want a union of some sort it to wait until 100% financially ready for any sort of ceremony, get together, or party, if one is wanted at all. Only do whatever minimum if not ridiculous financially. Proposing this sort of thing is also a good test for your gf's loyalty, standards etc. If she is so desperate for a fancy wedding, wedding ring, etc., even if financially terrible, the question of true love comes up immediately.

I will say too that there are ways to negotiate if one is creative though. There is such a thing as guests paying to come and such, informal dress code, strictly banning children. using a relatively cheap place, holding off the honeymoon, etc., but costs are still going to be there.

danyals4241 · 2020-02-20T12:03:32+00:00

AmandaHolly · 2020-02-20T16:00:37+00:00

I refused to marry my ex because he wouldn’t sign a prenup. He had cheated on me while I was pregnant, and made a series of terrible financial decisions with his own money. He stood to inherit nothing when his parents die, whereas I am my parents only child, and heir to their estates. I’m a woman, but I’m with the MGTOW philosophy 100%. I have four kids and my own home. I refuse to date because I love living my own life. Without a prenup he could’ve taken me to the cleaners when we inevitably got divorced. I’d say don’t get married unless you really feel you would be better for it, and even then...prenup!

1st10Amendments · 2020-02-20T17:25:19+00:00

In the Jewish Tradition*, it is taught "Bring Business Acumen into Lining." In other words, what you would do to make your business better (safer, more viable and profitable, constantly growing, etc.) do the same in your day-to-day life.

If you schedule shifts, deliveries, meetings, whatever, do the same for your personal life. Schedule meals, bedtime, wake-up time, travel time, everything. And so on.

My point is, if you are considering a major move that could or will affect you in life, do a Cost/Benefit Analysis.

Grab a piece of paper and write on it everything you will gain from taking this new step, and then rank them from greatest benefit to least important.

Take a second sheet and list costs and losses, then rank them.

On a third sheet, list changes or possible changes that you haven't yet decided if they're benefits or costs. This will be your "It Doesn't Matter" page. Then rank these. (Most probably, as you rank them from greatest potential impact to least, you'll wind up deciding on which of the first two sheets they actually belong.)

Then compare sheet one to sheet two, and find out which side has the higher score. Sheet two "doesn't matter", so ignore it for now. If the benefits outweigh costs, then it's probably best to take the steps leading to that activity. If costs outweigh probable benefits, then take a stand against making that move at this time. If it comes out a tie or "Too Close To Call", then hold firm and take a "Wait And See" stance.

If you decide to go forward but the situation changes (a benefit or cost loses its importance or it becomes obvious that it will not realize, or benefits or costs crop up you hadn't thought of, or one of the ones on the 'It Doesn't Matter Either Way" List moves either direction), then change your decision and cut your losses or capitalize on your gain.

Good luck with all that!

This comes from Ethics of the Fathers, Chapter 6, the sixth mishna, the paragraph containing the "48 Ways to Wisdom." The book is available online.

thedragonball23 · 2020-02-20T23:19:13+00:00

The Matrix

horonlapsi · 2020-02-20T02:49:34+00:00

MasterSama · 2020-02-20T06:26:40+00:00

Its all up to you and your partner.

Marriage is a beautiful union. however, you MUST make sure, your partner is worth it. becasue if she is not, she can turn your life upside down.

do not act hastly in things like this. think thoroughly through it !

wish you the best of lucks

Title	Is marriage Overrated??
Author	jack123955
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Comments	77
Date	February 20, 2020 1:52 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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