Bandai Namco (Tekken) Director/Producer has the perfect response to sexism baiter

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No, that's not what I am saying.

The largest contributing factors to gender roles are not "women naturally like to clean" and "men like to work 60hrs a week at a job". Those things are not natural to human beings. The largest factors are the toys we play with, the clothes we wear, what we see our parents doing, what we see on TV and in movies...video games are included here.

In order to increase equal participation in just about everything, kids from a young age need to see role models in the media. Girls need to see female characters in action movies and video games, guys need to see a man cooking a meal in a home.

Take this whole thing one step further. Why do women not like video games as much? It's not a "natural" thing, our society steers them away. By having more female representations in video games, from a young age women are more likely to want to try gaming.

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I guess if a small vocal minority were able to change a game that could be a problem. Like if you pander to that one small voice and turn off the overwhelming majority that's just not smart business. Also they're on the 7th Tekken now, there's a certain established flavour that you probably want to maintain.

I used to play Tekken 1. 2 and tag when I was a kid and never really realized there weren't a lot of female characters. Nina was dominant if you were good with her, definitely saw a lot of Nina. It just really didn't matter to me.

Also why does everyone need to be represented? We're talking about the art style of video games, not politics or something. I don't need to play as a character that looks like me or shares my fucking sexual tastes. I enjoy playing different characters. I feel like demanding that your specific group be represented could be a problem, like why can't you enjoy playing as something else?

But most importantly, who cares? This is all really unimportant. I still say let the artists choose their own style because they're the creative minds - forcing a bunch of different elements in takes away from their unique flavour.

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Oh I'm the first to agree that rules, even in fantasy, need to make sense. I've always hated the counterargument "Lol look at this guy saying there were no black men in the Queen Victoria's army about a show that has Time Lords and Daleks" — anything that originates from reality (such as, say, the way a bullet works, or the racial makeup of the Queen's army), even in a fantasy setting, should adhere to the pre-existing realistic rules unless those rules are expressly narratively broken.

That said

In a case like this, where the argument is simply the number of men vs the number of women present in a fighting game — since the fighting game is inherently fictional, the author is free to have as many of either gender as they want. They aren't beholden to "accurate representation" the way that, say, a Roman gladiator game might have been.

In other words, it's entirely Harada's call to have however many of whatever gender he wants, since it's his story to tell. But, again, he has to be willing to accept whatever criticism may come of it (and maybe not be so defensive when that criticism comes).

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And you make a fair point about fighters. Maybe I should say "percentage of people that use combat professionally (bodyguards, soldiers, etc)" or more simply "percentage of world class fighters (as in, the highest level)"

Maybe. Honestly I don't know enough about the subject to say one way or another. For all I know it's well below 2%.

But as I mentioned in another reply, at the end of the day it's academic because we may as well be arguing the "accurate representation" of hobbits vs dwarves in Lego LotR. When it comes to fantasy fiction, the author really gets final say and honestly shouldn't feel compelled to defend their artistic decisions one way or another. But they should also be willing to accept criticisms of those artistic decisions.

Looking at the OP, for example, someone was simply pointing out that there aren't that many female characters. Which is a completely fair observation. Harada didn't need to get defensive by bringing up a comparative argument. He could've just as easily simply said "You're right." and left it at that.

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Your trying to dictate how other people express art.

(You're)

And no one is "dictating" anything. Expressing a concern or making a suggestion for a future installment of a series is no more "dictating how other people express art" than saying "Boy, I hope we get to see the Constructicons in the next Transformers movie!" is a demand leveled at Michael Bay.

I would also argue that if you like a game but find issues with it, then you never really liked the game

You could argue that, and it's be a very weak argument. Because it sounds like you're saying that someone must like every single aspect of something, otherwise they "never really liked it." And the entire history of art and criticism would say otherwise.

Finally, a character (whether it be a female fighter in Tekken or Chibi Link in a Zelda game) is significantly more than just "the visual aspect" or "hexagonal shapes in a computer program." It informs almost every aspect of the game, from the story to the gameplay to everything in-between. I'm not sure where you got the idea that it was any less than that.

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I take poetic licence on my use of "your"

You're second point is that people are trying to dictate art when they have an agenda to force more female characters into the final product.

I hate a lot of things about gta5, but I'm not writing Rockstar about how much bullshit it is that you can't drive through every bush in the game. Gta will always be my favorite game. I can get past shitty mechanics and still enjoy playing the game. If I can do it, so can you.

All games are are 0's and 1's. Remember atari? You might be too young (or not, I don't really care) to remember. I don't remember people complaining that the characters in those games didn't look like real people or represent a certain demographic. The fact of the matter is that women aren't lining up for a new tekkin release and even if they were, the game designers are the ones that decide what goes and what doesn't in a game. And the thing is, if people like what made it into the game, they'll buy it. Or they'll buy it, bitch and complain, and trade it in for something else. At the end of the day you can't please everybody and the sooner consumers relies this the sooner they can start using their wallet to show developers what people want.

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Title	Bandai Namco (Tekken) Director/Producer has the perfect response to sexism baiter
Author	MiniGoat_King
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Date	July 8, 2017 3:36 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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