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"Italy set to offer 'menstrual leave' for female workers". Not a joke. Can you believe the privilege and double standards while men suffer highest workplace deaths?

Rethgil

March 25, 2017
100 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-menstrual-leave-reproductive-health-women-employment-a7649636.html
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Title "Italy set to offer 'menstrual leave' for female workers". Not a joke. Can you believe the privilege and double standards while men suffer highest workplace deaths?
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Rethgil

Upvotes 100
Comments 55
Date March 25, 2017 9:39 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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[–]Mac4491 47 points48 points49 points 9 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Three days off a month? Fully paid?

Get a grip.

This would actually cause an employer to consider hiring men over women which seems very counter productive for feminists.

[–]feedmecarrots 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Three days off with pay every twenty eight calendar days. That is a substantial perk. I don't think business will be able to afford it.

[–]Mac4491 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

Just taking my previous job as an example that'd be about 15 women off for 3 days each every month. That's 45 days every month. Each requiring an extra person to work their shift of ~8 hours on average at just over minimum wage.

As we were a national chain, multiply all that by about 850 different premises throughout the UK, all with varying numbers of female employees. Some would have 30+. And then there's all the Head Office staff and HR people etc.

That's too much money for me to bother working out right now.

EDIT: Over £4M a month...unless I'm doing something wrong. I'm tired. The company I worked for could afford it, but it's a wasted expense.

[–]feedmecarrots 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it would part of wage costs. Everyone would have to be paid less, eventually.

[–]the_unseen_one 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I guess it wasn't enough for women to drive down men's wages by entering the workforce. Now we're going to have to drop our pay even more to subsidize their menstruation. Tell me again how women are oppressed?

[–]feedmecarrots 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you listen to them, they will continue to tell you. I think that we are all a little tired of it.

[–]Singulaire 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

28 calendar days means 20 business days for a typical 5-day work week. 3 days in every 20 is 15%. Can you imagine being asked to pay someone the same when they only put in 85% of the work hours someone else is?

[–]feedmecarrots 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It may be much deeper. There are only 21.4 working days in a calendar month, never mind a lunar month.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And then they will complain about a pay gap ... when you only work 85 percent as many hours, you only take home 85 percent as much pay, bimbo.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's 39 days a year.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So in fields which are female dominated like nursing and teaching will suddenly need a large influx of men.

This will create a huge demand for men in these fields, and even less demand women in male dominated fields

This will likely bite feminists hard.

[–]Dunetrait[🍰] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Sounds good to me, as long as I get double time for working the same days and not having to go home because of my emotions.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's not only an emotional issue. There is physical pain for some women. Not always simple PMS.

Granted I'd accept less pay to go home a day and a half. Intense pain and nausea and dizziness is not fun, and it's not an emotional thing.

You can't criticise something unless you actually understand it. Unless you're just being dishonest.

[–]Dunetrait[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Can I get time off for blue balls?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Blue balls doesn't exist. Besides, it's a stupid comparison,However, some women do have debilitating pain (and some are so extreme they need hysterectomies for it).

Look, you can debate something, but not if you either don't understand it or insist on misrepresenting it. Being an asshole only undermines your credibility and claim/argument.

But for many women it's not limited to emotions. This is well known; get out from under your rock.

[–]muppet4 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Without taking a particular side in this argument, blue balls do exist my friend. Your second paragraph is apt.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps. But if it does, it's easy to get rid of it.

It's a shitty comparison. "It's only emotional stuff" is retarded.

[–]Rasalom72 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You mean as easy as popping a pill for the pain? I think they are called Mydol or some extra strength Pain reliever.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's still not only emotional stuff. As I said, if you're gonna argue something don't be stupid about it.

The few women for whom that doesn't work (yes it can be that bad), I would have no problem with as long as they get paid less. There's a reason that a few require hysterectomies for the pain.

[–]danpilon 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're assuming they actually want to solve problems. This will just give them yet another self-inflicted problem to blame on men.

[–]Rethgil[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless the idea is to take the cost of funding this out of male wages to also balance the imaginary wage gap. I know this is something the feminists would love to do and see such a move as perfectly justified.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So not all women would take this for period related illness, because not all women have troublesome periods. But all women have the option of taking paid leave amounting to ~15% of their working lives?

Do men get the option of a fully paid year off every 8.5 years to compensate for this disparity in rights and our ignored medical predicament that gives us shorter lives? Not everybody would take it, same as with the period law.

And are feminists really saying that a lot of women can only do a job as well as a pain-free man ~85% of the time? Because when you are in enough pain and turmoil to be off sick, you are not firing on all cylinders.

The double-standards are unbearable - you're a sexist pig if you've ever said any woman was a liability around the time of her period, but now this is being accounted for in legislation. Cake nom nom nom, where's my cake?

[–]dukunt 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For the men, they should give women a few days off for PMS as well, that way we don't have to put up with their bitchiness!

[–]Rethgil[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Given the appearance of many placard waving feminists, their tendency to want the metaphorical cake ann to eat it, and their common sexism towards men, you'd think it would be feminists who should be called 'sexist pigs". They certainly fit the name better.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do men get the option of a fully paid year off every 8.5 years to compensate for this disparity in rights and our ignored medical predicament that gives us shorter lives?

Yeah, we should get 3 days off every 28 days for "shorter lifespan" or something.

In the U.S., Social Security benefits are not adjusted for gender, even though women have a longer lifespan than men. So this would seem like a transfer of wealth from men to women.

[–]cyb1n 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's try not to turn this into a blood bath.

[–]Rethgil[S] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I see what you did there.

[–]dukunt 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And you can imagine that the number of women reporting painful periods will triple!

[–]dmgll 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not for all women, only those that suffer a certain disease that makes periods distressful and it cant be abused because that disease has to be officially acknowledged by a doctor

(not that i agree with 3 paid days off)

[–]Badgerz92 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why does this need a separate law? If it's really disabling then shouldn't it just fall under the same disability/accomodation laws that every other disabled worker deals with?

[–]dmgll 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

idk man, Im just reporting what I read from other people in my country regarding this law

[–]mwobuddy 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they dont want to admit all people of all genders (you know, the two real ones), and ages actually need to work less often to have a real life.

[–]furchfur 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I lived in Italy my holidays per year were as follows and were standard for many companies. Sate employees got even more holiday

I had 30 days paid annual holiday.

There were 16 days religious (bank holidays) every year.

So out of 250 working days I was on paid holiday for 46.

If a woman gets 3 days per month that will be another 36 days a year.

So she could be off 82 paid days per year!

No wonder the country is bankrupt.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It would be 39 days a year, because it's every 28 days.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

are you telling women how often they're allowed to menstruate?

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm saying it will be more often than 12 times a calendar year is all.

[–]Oberyn_Reed 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the end I think this will be a good thing. Employers will stop promoting women to critical, high paying positions. More opportunity for men.

[–]crazypants88 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're optimistic.

[–]MagicTampon 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Chivalry must die.

Whining female chauvinist sows....

[–]eshansingh 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The question is.... what about trans women?

[–]Revorob 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Italy has one of the lowest rates of female participation in the workforce in Europe.

Big fucking surprise. Companies in Italy are already forced to give women paid maternity leave. Now the same companies will have to give each woman in their employ three extra paid days off per month. That works out to over an extra month of holidays per year. Why the fuck would any compnay in Italy by insane enough to employ women?

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Most of Europe had paid Maternity leave.

[–]Revorob 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure you're right but most of Europe probably doesn't have "menstrual leave". In Australia - where I am from - relatively few women have paid maternity leave as numerous employers' groups have gone on record as saying that if any government mandates paid maternity leave, they will stop hiring women. When you think about it, that makes a lot of sense. As an analogy, if a man were to approach his employer with the request of wanting to take up to two years leave (as an arbitrary term) for a purpose that would be of absolutely no benefit to their employer whatsoever and they wanted to be paid their full wage for doing it, the employer would tell said man to pound sand. The above is pretty accurate description of paid maternity leave. It doesn't matter whether we are discussing paid maternity leave, menstrual leave or whatever other bullshit women think they are entitled to, if women want to price themselves out of the job market, then women will be the ones to suffer from their own stupidity.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Half the countries in the EU also have paid paternity leave. And shared parental leave that either parent can take is also becoming more popular.

Australia also has paid Maternity leave, and paid paternal leave, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that few women get it.

[–]Revorob 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Australia also has paid Maternity leave, and paid paternal leave, so I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that few women get it.

Whilst it is true that many government departments have PML and PPL, these are by no means universal or manditory. The same in private industry; PML and PPL have never been mandated by law. Some larger employers do offer PML (and even less offer PPL) but they do this purely based on their own free will. The reality is that most PML & PPL is available to a minority of Australians only.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/maternity-and-parental-leave

[–]Revorob 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The link you have provided is about parental leave in general not paid parental leave in particular. As this page correctly points out, women are entitles to unpaid maternity leave in Australia. This, however' is not what we are discussing; we are discussing paid parental leave in Australia. PPL in Australia is covered by a link from the same page you linked to........

http://www.fairwork.gov.au/leave/maternity-and-parental-leave/paid-parental-leave

There are a couple of quotes of note from this page.......

"The Australian Government has announced a new policy in relation to Parental Leave Pay. These changes are not yet in place."

This effectively means that the government is considering a taxpayer-funded PML scheme but hasn't yet actually done anything about it. Personally, I don't think they will as the average taxpayer would not support it.

"Employers can provide for paid parental leave in registered agreements, employment contracts and workplace policies."

The relevant word in the above quote is "can". Employers are perfectly entitled to provide PML if they wish to. However, this is by no means compulsory. As I have mentioned in a previous post, for employers to have to pay mothers to have babies is likely to end up being a major barrier to the future employment of women.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The very first line.

Employees can get Parental Leave Pay from the Australian Government

Eligibility seems to be working 10 of the previous 13 months at their employer to be eligible for paid parental leave, which is a similar eligibility criteria for most countries.

[–]Revorob 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From the section in the box.....

The Australian Government has announced a new policy in relation to Parental Leave Pay. These changes are not yet in place.

Note the second sentence. As near as I have read in the media and on line, nothing has changed. Essentially, the policy has been announced but not implemented.

[–]tothecatmobile 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are currently trying to change Parental Leave Pay, not introduce it, it already exists

This is the proposed change.

The current paid leave scheme has been around since 2011

[–]Leinadro 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The funniest part would be if productivity actually went up when women took menstrual leave.

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On one hand it's means less bitchiness in the office which means less drama, which is good for everyone.

On the other hand, it would be a disaster for women's careers to disappear that often from work, for which men will be blamed.

[–]crazypants88 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women can get menstrual cramps, right? If it something like that, I don't really have an issue with this. It probably isn't something like that though.

[–]geniice 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Deaths are expensive. Why not reward people for having a lower rate of deaths?

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They ARE aware that menstruating is a woman's choice now, right? It's quite easy to prevent menstruation medically nowadays, and even if a woman chooses not to, there are many medications and topical treatments that make it tolerable or downright irrelevant to a woman. This is insanity.

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