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After a decade of complaining about use of pronouns, feminists back-peddle. There is no pleasing these people, if you do exactly what they say, they change what they want.

Lrellok

October 2, 2016
41 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/26/opinion/pronoun-privilege.html
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Title After a decade of complaining about use of pronouns, feminists back-peddle. There is no pleasing these people, if you do exactly what they say, they change what they want.
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Lrellok

Upvotes 41
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Date October 2, 2016 4:06 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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Comments

[–]Xristos_Xristos_III 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

This is fascinating, isn't it?

Divulging one’s gender through an announcement of pronouns at best contradicts the reality that our gender may be ambiguous ...

To be fair to the writer, if you were someone who genuinely believes in this kind of gender fluidity then you can see how what she says there is basically consistent with that belief.

Except ... could she seriously not have worked this one out before she championed getting students to perform this weird cult-like ritual of announcing their fucking gender pronouns on the first day of class?

I mean, this is her:

Elizabeth Reis, a professor of gender studies at the City University of New York’s Macaulay Honors College, is the author, most recently, of “Bodies in Doubt: An American History of Intersex.”

She's supposed to be an expert in this stuff as well as an educator - could she seriously not have worked out the problems inherent in getting people to declare their gender in public like that?

[–]Dis_mah_mobile_one 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

She could except that'd work against her. Feminism doesn't have an end point, and so concrete stated positions frequently change on the spot since the only goals are 1) female supremacy at the expense of males 2) don't make a woman feel bad.

[–]Xristos_Xristos_III 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Feminism doesn't have an end point

Really? You don't think so?

I think they do have one in mind - it's just completely unrealisable.

[–]Dis_mah_mobile_one 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What do you think that is?

In my opinion feminism will always demand more, or as in this case go back on its word and change the end goal

[–]Xristos_Xristos_III 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you think that is?

Well you can call me crazy, but the endgame is the complete restructuring of society and the global economy to something either like a feminist version of Socialism, or just actual Socialism.

I mean, it's not as if they've ever made any real secret for the their loathing of capitalism, is it?

But that's why what they ultimately want is completely unrealisable - or if they did ever get close to realising it, they would be the first ones to hate it.

They always demand more, as you put it, because what they want can never be got but that never stops them from wanting it.

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[–]Xristos_Xristos_III 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even socialists hate feminists.

Well, except the socialists that are feminists of which there is a significant number.

A lot of mainstream feminists attacked Bernie ...

Sanders isn't really a socialist, though - certainly, he isn't a socialist in the sense that many people in feminism would understand it.

They aren't going to do shit for working class men ...

Well, no obviously not - hence why I said "like a feminist version of Socialism, or just actual Socialism"

their utopia is probably 'socialism for women, camps for men'

While there are feminists who've supported something that extreme, I think mostly they just want to completely re-engineer the soul of society.

I'm never quite sure which vision is worse.

Either way, it's irrelevant in as much as it will never happen.

In the meantime, we just have to try to contain the crazy and try to avoid as much damage and havoc as possible.

[–]Ultimate_Failure 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

God forbid that you make someone uncomfortable by forcing them to disclose their "gender identification".

Never mind that you're making 99% of people uncomfortable by forcing them to walk on eggshells around these special snowflakes.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

forcing them to walk on eggshells around these special snowflakes.

That's the power of the "He who is most offended, wins" social order. Every person gets to demand everyone they meet dance to their whims or risk offending them. The idea that someone might simply say "I'm not interested in playing this game" is repugnant to them, and would only validate their race to the bottom of human pathos.

As far as I'm concerned, people are more than welcome to play whatever games they like with their gender and self identity nomenclature...right up to the point they demand that I play along with them.

Nobody can force anyone else to conform, right? Isn't that the core of the whole argument?

[–]Ultimate_Failure 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the era of weaponized hypersensitivity. There are a lot of people like you who are seeing the absurdity of the game and refusing to play.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At some colleges and universities, it’s common for students to introduce themselves, whether in class or in student group meetings, by name, followed by a string of pronouns. “I’m Lizzie; she/her/hers,” for example.

this is a joke, right?

[–]thrway_1000 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/AEzJw

[–]Faryshta 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

don't give the money or pageviewsplease, use archive.is

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am always battling against "friends" on Facebook over there being only 2 sexes.

It's a fact, I want to be lots of things in life but you could give me the title of astronaut, it does not mean I am.

The outright hatred & vicious personal attacks on me when I state my opinion in a respectful & dignified manner takes my Brest away.

It ensures I never take their views seriously & actively get a rise out of them, they deserve it & it is so easy to do.

I have sympathy for people who suffer with their sexual identity & most of the people who have been through it seem to be unphased by the whole topic.

It is these safe zone, university attending, white, middle class jigglypuffs that have never experienced actual adversity that spit the most venom.

[–]thegreyhoundness 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Madness. There are two genders. And if you're confused about which one you are, that's a pathological thing and you need therapy.

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[+]geniice -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The problem is people who aren't transgender (instead they say they're demigender, non-binary, genderqueer, etc) but try to adopt made-up pronouns like zim/zee/ou

"Ou" is 18th century. Xe is from the 70s. They are both attempts to create gender neutral pronouns without resorting to the singular they. No more made up than the rest of the english language.

[–]Korvar 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And they both failed. The singular "they" has been part of the language since at least Shakespeare and is coming into the language naturally.

[–]geniice -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And they both failed.

As has thou as a singular you. What of it?

The singular "they" has been part of the language since at least Shakespeare and is coming into the language naturally.

It has been part of British English yes. American english less so.

[–]Korvar 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As has thou as a singular you. What of it?

People shouldn't be surprised they're not taking off this time around. That's the "what".

[–]dungone 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It has been part of British English yes. American english less so.

So the solution is "Ou" or "Xe"? You're kidding, right?

[–]kinyutaka 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It really isn't that simple. It isn't always a mental issue that causes a man to think of himself as a woman. There could be hormonal differences, genetic abnormalities (for lack of a better term) that causes feelings of being uncomfortable in your body, even being gay can cause confusion. Therapy isn't always the answer.

I think we are getting a little silly when we talk about the difference between a transgender and a transsexual and a genderqueer, but the human body is analog, and exists in more states than zero and one.

[–]Scarbane 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Genders are discrete, not continuous.

[–]kinyutaka 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But a guy who believes he should have been a woman asking to be called "she" isn't really a Men's Rights issue.

[–]geniice -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are two genders.

Maybe in your culture but well there are other cultures. If you are doing any archeology or anthropology trying to insist on only two genders means you miss things.

[–]MagicTampon 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

... and these are the same idiots who claim that the correct word to use for "equality between the sexes" is "feminism."

If that isn't the biggest admission of bigotry and hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

[–]oshmkufa2010 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Gendered pronouns and gendered nouns are very practical. They convey important information with very little effort. That's one thing I hate about the English language. If one talks about their cousin or friend or teacher, it doesn't necessarily become apparent whether they're talking about a man or a woman and this would be interesting to know to get a more complete picture. And when someone writes their cousin (who is male) has a "fiancé", am I to assume that the cousin is gay or that the person who wrote it just didn't get the difference between fiancé and fiancée? Statistically speaking it's much more likely that the person is just an idiot and the cousin is straight.

[+]geniice -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You appear to be confusing feminists with people trying to work out how our society should function around transexuals. While there may be an overlap that is two different groups.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The author is a gender/women's studies professor so she's a professional feminist.

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