‘Toxic environment’ for sons accused of campus sex offenses turns mothers into militants

BDMR_lurker · 2016-08-29T13:22:38+00:00

I have the utmost respect for peolpe like Mrs Warner-Seefeld, who choose to devote their time to a cause for justice.

But for Pete's sake, people, sue! Sue your university's trousers off! Sue your accuser if you can.

First because you'll need any money you can make (and the trend for now indicates expected profit).

Second because 'nice guy' activism doesn't go very far. As I learned in the States: you get far more with a big stick and nice word than with a nice word alone.

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Edit: I know suing is difficult and expensive, especially in the US.

To be honest, I think the 'big stick' for men's rights are (unwittingly) MGTOWs, Red Pillers and PUA, each in their own ways withholding participation in 'traditional' society. They're the symptoms, they make the sickness visible.

The multiplication of suits against Title IX-crazy universities is a warning shot, but a significant amount of men not having children in the current and next generations will be debilitating, if not outright terminal, for Western society.

Call me a pessimist, but I fail to find a middle-ground.

I honestly don't know how the Western world survives the 21st century.

xNOM · 2016-08-29T13:27:10+00:00

When women, mothers talk even The Washington Post starts to listen.

ralphswanson · 2016-08-29T15:04:29+00:00

Women are the only people allowed to speak about gender fairness. I am thankful that the many women speak up against feminist extremism and so few women support feminism.

Mens-Advocate · 2016-08-29T12:41:03+00:00

Archive of article: http://archive.is/2jIAZ

Thanks to OP! Excellent article, which in turn references the following:
http://www.popecenter.org/2016/04/title-ix-how-a-good-idea-became-higher-educations-worst-nightmare/

Not surprisingly, “proportionate to their respective enrollments” morphed into a bureaucratic quota system that the Clinton administration put permanently in place. ...

(The actual number of sexual assaults on campus, according to the U.S. Department of Justice, is about 6.1 to 1,000, or 0.61 percent.)

Because sexual assault and rape also are crimes, students or college officials report the allegations to police, which then investigate and determine whether or not to bring charges against the accused. The new Title IX standards require colleges to rule on these cases no matter what the police do. In a number of cases, college authorities found students guilty of sexual assault even when the police cleared the accused of any wrongdoing.

College administrators understand the new federal standards come with the expectation that officials convict male students who are accused of sexual assault, regardless of their guilt or innocence. If they don’t, they face the possible loss of federal funds for failing to adhere to rules that are nothing but “interpretations” of Title IX by officials in the Department of Education.

Bad as the rules imposed under Title IX are, we haven’t seen the end of it. In a forthcoming California Law Review article, Harvard professors Jacob Gersen and Jeannie Suk point out that Title IX (as well as some other federal laws) has led to “an elaborate and growing federal bureaucratic structure that, in effect, regulates sex…. Colleges and universities are particularly important loci of the sex bureaucracy.”

Among other results of this bureaucratic creep, colleges and universities are now under pressure to set up programs to deal with “potentially problematic conduct.” That is, it isn’t enough to punish students who sexually assault or harass others, but it is also necessary to regulate campuses so as to prevent bad conduct. One way to comply is to establish “bystander intervention training” programs.

What started out as a law to give women more opportunities in higher education has morphed into a bureaucratic monster that destroys due process of law, sets students against each other, and encourages bureaucrats to search for new ways to expand their authority.

I do not think the problem should be seen narrowly as one of specific laws or a specific regulation. The problem is much broader, including:

The ability of any member of any administration to stretch any law far beyond its original intent, in order to enforce Orwellian rules which are not only grotesquely biased against men but are also violative of human rights principles established for centuries.
The inability of the judicial system to put a stop to these abuses even a half-decade later.
The likelihood that, once the judiciary does catch up to these human rights violations (even if after another half-decade), the bureaucracy will simply pivot and find another method by which to violate men's human rights.
The inability of society to recognise and halt the spreading virus of violations of men's rights, that virus protected by white knighting, pink solidarity, and other forms of unrecognised but powerful gynocentrism.
The inability of society to recognise that such an authoritarian feminist agenda remains part and parcel of most "moderate" centre-left parties, from Canada to Spain to the USA.

2016-08-29T17:40:07+00:00

Good for them, but It drives me nuts that the movement only gets press when the heroes and victims are women.

Mens-Advocate · 2016-08-29T19:10:51+00:00

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2016-08-29T18:08:02+00:00

They need to start a group: "The M.A.F.I.A"

Mothers Against False and Incriminating Accusations

trahloc · 2016-08-29T22:38:11+00:00

Thanks for posting this, donated $100 to FACE to help them out.

Swordfish101101 · 2016-08-29T23:59:04+00:00

Well at the very least stories like this simply appearing in the mainstream media has the effect of normalizing the discussion of the huge number of false rape accusations happening all of the time to a large number of people and how common they are.

Just 2 years ago the subject of false accusations of rape was taboo and/or said to be 'extremely rare,' was the official line from the msm. Although it's horrible what's happening to these men, it's almost a good thing that obama and his creeps pushed this 'dear colleague' thing and started making colleges court rooms and pushed the false rape accusation epidemic out into the public. The MSM is forced to report it because now parents are afraid to even send their sons to college and men frightened of going to college.

As far as the 'organization,' well.. so the only time women get involved in fighting real instances of violations of civil and human rights is only when it directly effects them or their family? Check. Why can't people in general be intelligent enough to be outraged by an insanity like what is going on now at colleges because it's wrong, not just because it happens to you or your family?

Electroverted · 2016-08-29T18:17:39+00:00

Plenty of money to go around for these organizations too, as campuses are losing lawsuits left and right. I wish them all good luck.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2016-08-30T00:55:46+00:00

Sadly this may be the only way to get many women on board.

Tmomp · 2016-08-29T23:00:57+00:00

What they seek, along with FIRE, amounts to a wholesale shift in the way schools now adjudicate sexual misconduct charges.

Sad that achieving due process means "wholesale" change. The Constitution isn't just some random document. It works pretty well, especially the due process parts. They help everyone.

Title	‘Toxic environment’ for sons accused of campus sex offenses turns mothers into militants
Author	civilsaint
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Comments	65
Date	August 29, 2016 12:14 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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