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Advertising company chairman put on leave after saying he did not think the lack of women in leadership roles "is a problem"

TheXanderp

July 31, 2016
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http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36935362
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Title Advertising company chairman put on leave after saying he did not think the lack of women in leadership roles "is a problem"
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TheXanderp

Upvotes 663
Comments 52
Date July 31, 2016 12:33 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4vgw7n/advertising_company_chairman_put_on_leave_after/
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[–]Riktenkay 51 points52 points53 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And they say we live in a patriarchy.

A patriarchy in which merely disagreeing with the feminist narrative carries this sort of punishment. Surrrrre.

[–]Clockw0rk 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you ever have a doubt about radical feminism's intent, look at what they're blaming on men.

"mansplaining": because only women get to tell other genders what to do

"manspreading: because only women get to take up excessive public transit space

"patriarchy: because only women should be allowed to impliment sexist staffing and educational practices

The reason they adopt gendered terms for bad things, is because it's only bad when non-women do it.

It is deliberate counter-intelligence and historical revision to suit their female supremacy purposes.

[–]Tallsmarthandsome 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its also projection. Feminism is the existing female version of the imagined "mansplaining". Sluts that have parades for how easily they spread thier legs tell men they are "manspreading". The coordinated anti-male pro-woman movement that infiltrates every governemnt agency, every non profit, every corporation: Patriarchy!

Then they tell men the only reason we dont see priviledge is because we are so used to it. Projection.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 137 points138 points139 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Well worth reading the actual article. He is very smart, but the femnazis have got him in their sights for daring to speak his mind and think for himself. His bosses are cowards and have shafted him.

Here is the actual article

"..:while around 65% of Saatchi’s staff are female as the agency wants to reflect the buyers of the types of products it is advertising, Roberts added."

As they say, you can't make it up.

[–]PotatoDonki 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why can't we use that defense? No company could get away with hiring only men to "match buyer demographics."

[–]OilyB 28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize."

  • Voltaire/Strom

Edit: K. Strom

[–]wonderworkingwords 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

That is a Kevin Strom quote. Voltaire never said that. It's about the Jews and how they secretly rule the world and are evil, as Strom is a white supremacist/Neonazi.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't have to be a white supremacist to see the validity of the quote.

You can see it play out in everyday examples, such as this one.

[–]wonderworkingwords -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can see it play out in everyday examples, such as this one

That's of course begging the question. There are myriad reasons why we might want to socially police what we can and can't say to or about people. It is prudent, for example, to not allow people to talk of minority groups as vermin, because that's the first step to a genocide, as we've seen at least three times.

The advertising company chairman above didn't criticise women, either, but rather institutional structures that seek to increase the number of women in leadership roles, and quite obviously governments do have power over us. That's blatantly obvious and not in need of any conspiratorial explanation.

[–]OilyB 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the education, didn't know that. I'll look into it.

[–]matthew_lane 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually no one knows where the quote originally came from. It showed up one day being attributed to Voltaire & since then a lot of people have quoted it.

Strom said something similar but different.

[–]wonderworkingwords -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Strom said exactly that, to the point of logical equivalence.

Voltaire wrote in French. Are you going to claim that any translation, or especially two slightly different translations, make something Voltaire said so substantially different that it wasn't him that said it any more, but rather the translator?

If not, then you have no point.

[–]matthew_lane 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Voltaire wrote in French.

Doesn't matter what Voltaire wrote in since Voltaire didn't write this quote, we don't know where it came from originally. The fact that someone else said something similar does not mean it came from them.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Id rather leaders be good at their job than have a vagina instead of a dick

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Disagree with the feminist narrative, and the elite will take your job away.

[–][deleted] 69 points70 points71 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

a chairman can be put on leave for making a comment like this? what the fuck? how is this guy so powerless? now i dont feel so mad about being banned on reddit for making those comments. they've taken over the world. reddit is nothing. harvard dean got canned for saying women didn't like science and engineering. the evidence was staring him in the face. his only problem was not keeping quiet about it.

[–]unbelievablepeople 62 points63 points64 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

harvard dean got canned for saying women didn't like science and engineering

It was worse than that. It was the president of Harvard, and he didn't even say women didn't like science and engineering, he just said it's possible that there are some biological differences between men and women in their cognition for math and science, as part of a speech in which he said repeatedly that he would like to see more women in math and science: http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/18/us/harvard-chief-defends-his-talk-on-women.html

[–][deleted] 42 points43 points44 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

he just said it's possible that there are some biological differences between men and women in their cognition for math and science

as if everyone isnt already thinking that though. it's fucking crazy the level of bullshit radical feminism got going.

[–]Bascome 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not just possible, it is obvious. You see when people don't make choices to do things they are not as good at said things.

Choice is the aspect of biology that we are talking about to be clear, not ability past choice which is much more individually based.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His company is part of the wider Publicis Group. He has been suspended by Maurice Levy, the group CEO.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maurice Levy, huh?

Why am I not shocked?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I wonder that too, why doesn't he just tell them to gtfo? What's the worst that could happen, some obese blue-haired puffball body slams him? Actually, now that I think about it that is kinda bad...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the worst that could happen is a social media firestorm that could make the company lose money. im just saying that since hes chairman, he should at least have enough power to not make himself leave. remember what happened with the nasa shirt guy? the entire thing is fucking disgusting.

[–]Revoran -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Harvard Dean wasn't wrong, and shouldn't have gotten canned, but he was also perpetuating the issue by saying that.

That is to say, there is probably some biological factor to why women and men choose certain careers, but we hardly need to make a big song and dance about it since we can't change biology. However at the same time some of it is social, and we can change the social aspect of it, and having authority figures talk about the biological difference hurts this part of the issue.

But yes it was totally unfair that he got canned over that. If even a university official can't say something "controversial" what kind of society are we living in Jesus.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what kind of society are we living in

and that is the crux of the problem right now. what the fuck is happening to western society?

[–]wanked_in_space 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any comment about women is sexist, didn't you know?

Shit, now I'm a sexist.

[–]Rbox 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand what is wrong with what he said.

[–]RUoffended 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's so frustrating how these feminist-sympathyzers just assume that the sole reason for a certain company having a disproportionate amount of male leaders is bigotry, rather than the obvious explanation of merit. Last time I checked, living in the US gives every citizen the right to choose their profession, meaning that women should neither be forced into or denied leadership roles at their own will. As a woman, if you don't want to pursue a leadership role, that's totally acceptable; but if you do, then you should have to compete with everyone else who wants the same position, regardless of gender. But I guess I'm just a flaming sexist for treating men and women equally, with equally reasonable expectations.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

rather than the obvious explanation of merit.

The take I got from his comments was that, based initially solely on merit, they were promoting women into executive and upper management positions, but saw 2 out of 3 fail. If my reading is correct, then in the case of this company, desire trumped merit and actually mattered more.

[–]sugar_free_haribo 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If anything his comments were actually good advice for men to learn from the example of women and not be blindly careerist, especially if you are happier in a creative role rather than a managerial one.

[–]cheesehead99 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would think that having Women in certain roles just because you have to, is worse than not having them at all. The best person for the Job should get it Male or Female.

[–]overtmind 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Our Meritocracy is dead, long long ago

[–]EgoandDesire 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

He should start a rival company and only hire based on merit, male or female. Than when all these SocJus infested hellholes die out because their products/services are shitty, we can start to restore some sanity to the world.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like some of that institutional power feminists keep denying they have.

[–]Rbox 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand what is wrong with what he said.

[–]scanspeak 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Simply it wasn't politically correct to state what is obvious to sane people.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In what kind of countries are people disappeared for questioning the narrative?

You might have read about one in a book called 1984.

[–]Rbox 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand what is wrong with what he said.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It's politically incorrect. The politically correct statement is that all gaps in upper management come from discrimination, discrimination that must get stamped out at all costs. If you imply that women are the cause of their own gap by consciously opting out of management more often (as was implied by the man affected), then you are speaking contrary to the narrative.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Giving women the vote was the worst mistake mankind ever made. The pill and no-fault divorce a close second and third.

[–]Rbox 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand what is wrong with what he said.

[–]ShutupPussy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First they cry that they don't need to conform to our standards of what it means to be successful and then they cry when Roberts reiterates this, noting how conventional measures of success is probably not appropriate for everyone and therefore he doesn't see the lack of women in leadership as a problem.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Until 100% of jobs and every position of power is not filled with women they won't stop. And then, they will find something else to complain, like these women are not the right ones, they are like men, etc, etc.

[–]bfwilley 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If he had added "that all lives mater" they would have lynched him.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did they also send him to a re-education camp?

[–]Regnes 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's ridiculous because he even admits they've tried promoting more women up, but the women made the decision to not move up.

[–]bradtwo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I don't personally disagree with his statement. As an elected board member what you say reflects the company you represent as a whole. Therefor, if there were going to be any potential clients who are lets say more "female friendly", his words could have easily fucked them out of a job.

It is all politics..... all of it.

[–]baserace 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Highly disturbing.

[–]Proteus_Marius 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This feminist dysfunction is basically a cliche of the social horror of their own making.

Which means they are not even pretending to hide their agenda beyond even the casual observer; at least in this microcosm.

Not a good sign for society on the island...

[+]Rbox -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand what is wrong with what he said.

[–]jimskog99 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing.

[+]Rbox -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand what is wrong with what he said.

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