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No rape charges against teacher who has sex with at least one underage student. [Austin, TX]

BAM_BAM_BAM

December 17, 2015
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http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local-education/ex-eanes-teacher-charged-with-having-improper-rela/npmh5/
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Title No rape charges against teacher who has sex with at least one underage student. [Austin, TX]
Author

BAM_BAM_BAM

Upvotes 220
Comments 48
Date December 17, 2015 11:30 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3xa0me/no_rape_charges_against_teacher_who_has_sex_with/
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Comments

[–]FairlyOddParents 43 points44 points45 points 10 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

The student was 17, regardless of the gender I don't think someone should go to jail for that.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

This isn't about the student's age (generally speaking, the age of consent in Texas is 17), it's about the inherent power imbalance of a relationship between a student and a teacher; which is the basis of the law.

[–]SpaceDog777 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It should be an employment matter, not a matter for the courts.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. She should definitely be fired, but there's no reason to get the law involved here.

[–]Wargame4life 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

it depends, i don't know what age kids are required by law to attend public school is.

If a child is legally required to attend school then its only right that these sorts of relationships are punishable due to the power imbalance.

If it was college it would be different

[–]Nougat 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If would need to be looked up for Texas, but I know that around here school attendance is compulsory until age 16.

[–]atxyankee02 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Austinite here, compulsory education goes until they're 18 per Texas legal code.

[–]TheFireMachine 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

16 with permission from a parent actually.

[+]mwobuddy -7 points-6 points-5 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Shut up about power imbalance already. Its a stupid meaningless snake term, that is used to shift goalposts from "age difference" to "she might have said she'd flunk him if he didnt fuck her OMG!", if anyone dismantles the first argument.

Retarded term made by feminists who consider males pedophiles. Stop using it.

[–]cavehobbit 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Dunno why the down-votes. This is basically correct. The whole power imbalance argument is based on subjective criteria that can be changed and twisted to fit whatever the claimant wants at the moment.

The definition of rape needs to be returned to "use of force", and other terms used to define other unacceptable situations that arise.

[–]AnewAccount98 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I can understand where you're coming from. The term "power imbalance" can definitely be taken advantage of. Although, in this situation, one of them clearly has power over the other. Sure, it isn't physical, but it could cause a lot of damage none the less.

This is a patriarchal "power imbalance". It's a situation where one (the one committing statutory rape) had the power to hurt the other's life and welfare.

[–]atxyankee02 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What she did was against the law, but by the law it wasn't statutory rape. Since the boy in question was 17, it doesn't qualify as statutory, and hence why it wasn't charged as such.

[–]v573v 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He hurt her.

How does that speak to the power imbalance that existed between them? She's the one who lost her career. She's the one who might be going to jail. She's the one that might have to pay a fine.

She took another boy on one of her "hikes" and her victim pulled a trigger that destroyed her.

Under these terms who commanded the most power? He had a devastating ability to hurt her life and welfare and he exercised it out of jealousy.

[–]AnewAccount98 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She made a conscious decision to put herself in a situation where the LAW, not the boy, held power over her.

The boy, on the other hand, had no choice in who his teacher was.

[–]v573v 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the point - the law put an extraordinary amount of power into his hands. Powers that she had no access to as a mere teacher.

That law creates a power balance between the above the age of consent student and their teacher - as we've seen in this story.

I'm not saying remove the law - I'm pointing out that it's working as intended.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Flawedd analogy. She had no conscious decision what laws are put over her. She chose to break them.

Hhe had no conscious decision what teacher is put in front of him. He chose to put her under him.

Stop with the insane feminist mental gymnastics.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Then men shouldn't go to jail for it either. I'm hoping that's what you mean?

If the law sucks it should suck for both genders.

[–]FairlyOddParents 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep exactly what I meant

[–]Lugonn 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In the words of the late Rosa Parks: ''If I can't sit in the front of the bus then no one can!''.

Said as she started systematically burning down every single bus in America, and thus great equality was achieved.

[–]fullhalf -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

more like if the bus driver was a nasty old man and if you sat in front, you had to smell his nasty fart the entire time. then women clamor to be allowed to sit in front, even though nobody is stopping them. they're just too slow and timid to joust for it. so the city mandates that women get to sit in front but then they also get a new handsome bus driver who farts lavender or some fucking dumbshit like that. THEN and only THEN would the analogy be correct.

[–]CrowCoder 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why he said "regardless of the gender" lmao.

[–]mwobuddy 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Fire her for improper relations with a student. Prison is too far. Its not like she forced him.

[–]fullhalf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

doesnt matter what you think. the law is the law. that's how it goes down for men. a person in a position of trust can not have sex with someone they are in charge of until that person is 19. the law is clearly biased towards letting women off easy for sex crimes. normally i wouldn't have cared but since radical feminists can't stop crying about equality and have gotten many things in their favor because of it, i want them to pay some price for it at least.

[–]houseaddict -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You want some woman who may not even be a feminist to pay the price.

Makes you as bad as feminists in my eyes.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

doesn't matter if she's not a feminist. she's riding the train anyway. you think she's suddenly goin to be like, oh no, i want to be punished the same as a man. i don't want that scholarship for women only. i don't want this good grade that my biased teacher gave me over male students. i don't want this special position on science committees. i don't want grants cuz i'm a woman. i don't want this pussy pass. blah blah blah. you think she'll say no to any of it?

[–]houseaddict 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh like you say no to your natural born male privilege bestowed on you at birth by the ever present patriarchy?

You don't know a fucking thing about her, she's not even that important. It's the principal of the matter and you my son sound like one of them yourself.

[–]fullhalf 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

now it makes sense. patriarchy. lol. stfu.

[–]houseaddict 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're clearly an idiot, all subtlety apparently lost on you.

[–]TheDude41 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I think any time you start fucking your minor students, you deserve to spend some time in prison.

[–]kutwijf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What a close-minded thing to say. It's completely unreasonable to incarcerate someone over consensual sex.

[–]TheDude41 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks! Good advice from the kiddie fucker!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A former Westlake High School teacher faces felony charges of having an improper relationship with two students...Sex between the student and Wey stopped after he discovered she went on a hike with another student...sexual contact between a certified teacher and a student could be punishable by up to 20 years in prison.

She has been charged with a crime that suits the circumstances. Additionally, she has not been a teacher since October when she was removed from the classroom and resigned. Child Protective Services and the Travis County sheriff’s office were notified. Based on the information provided, the matter is being handled appropriately.

[–]FleshPanda 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hot AF

[–]B_P_G 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

WTF is wrong with this woman? She could have her pick of men and instead she goes and screws a 17 year old student?

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But if he was 18 and not a student then its fine? I mean, you allow laws for 18 year olds to fuck 60 year olds, so it must be fine.

[–]TRAUMAjunkie 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah really, age is whatever. No big deal there. The problem is the violation of the teacher-student relationship.

[–]B_P_G 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

18 is legal so in that sense its fine. Its definitely abnormal but an 18 year old has the right to make up their own mind and have sex with whatever other adult they want. As long as the 18 year old is a willing participant then its all good. If not then its rape.

[–]Poppyisopaf 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Am a mens rights advocate but at 17 I think I can speak for most guys when I say this for sure was not rape. She did not force herself on him, and he almost certainly enjoyed their "relations" I'll agree with some others here, she should be fired. Nothing more.

Same can be said for male teachers in the exact same scenario. Problem is, those guys go to jail for 30 years instead of just getting fired. That's gender inequality in a nutshell.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It needs to be changed. We can take baby steps to deal with this, so we don't "go too far".

[–]spaceghost6868 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice....!

[–]Jonesey505 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What annoys me about all of this, is the ridiculous level of entitlement (I can do anything I want), and the complete lack of responsibilty (I don't know what consequences are), that these women have. They're children. That's probably why they're attracted to children. It would be helpful if someone tried to turn them into responsible adults, whether their parents take on this role, or their partners do, or the university system gets involved, or it happens when they enter their teacher training, or their colleagues and bosses do when they enter the work place. But no, apparently no one wants to hold these women up to any degree of accountability, so they never develop into adults. That's why it goes wrong for so many of these young, attractive women.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They ARE children, mentally. Maybe that's why they get leniency. After all, if she's so impulsive and lacking in judgement to have illicit sex, she's about the same maturity level as a teen boy. Why punish her for that beyond firing her? Why make her out like she's some hardened criminal who murdered 2 people with her car? She didn't do something evil, just wrong. There's a difference.

[–]Jonesey505 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I see your point. If I was making the rules I wouldn't send a female or male teacher to jail if they have sex with a student, as long as the student was over 16. I would however have them banned for life from working with kids and adolescents.

My point is, it seems there's been a spate of female teachers being caught having sex with students, and society has caused this by having a culture of kissing girls asses at every stage of their life. It's a failure of society. We need to make these women accountable, take away their intellectual safe spaces at University, make them work for their qualification, show them the reality of failure, really test their competence more, break them down a bit during their teacher training, look out for this type of behaviour in their training and when they start work as teachers, and call them out on it.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think its more to the point that when we remove the social boundaries, people aroudn 25-30 who are women do find "sperm viable mates" sexually reproductively attractive.

nature isn't moral, and it doesn't care about the built up rules of "right" and "wrong".

I still find it fascinating we decided that such things are wrong in the first place. Abuse and manipulation is abuse and manipulation no matter the age. Lack of abuse and manipulation is lack of those things no matter the age.

[–]autotldr 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 85%. (I'm a bot)


A Vandegrift High School football and basketball coach was placed on administrative leave earlier this month amid allegations of having an improper relationship with a female student from a different school, officials said.

School officials in the Round Rock and Austin school districts also had documented previous incidences of improper conduct in his personnel file.

Attorney for the Eanes school district has since clarified to the senators that the district issued the motion to quash the subpoena because they weren't sure if they were legally allowed to hand over the documents TEA had requested because they contain student information protected by federal privacy laws.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: School#1 student#2 district#3 Eanes#4 teacher#5

[–]AuMielEtAuxNoix -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"He should consider lucky, it's the dream of all teenage boyzzz!!1!" /s

[–]websnwigs 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

He was 17. In Canada he would have already been legal for a full year. Stop acting like some horrible crime was committed

[–]paragonofcynicism 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I really wish his style of comment was unusual for this sub. It'd make it much more legitimate.

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