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Apparently, abortion for women is equivalent to sex meds for men.

melniav0

December 16, 2015
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/r/MensRights
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/want-viagra-s-c-bill-would-make-men-go-through-n480741
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Title Apparently, abortion for women is equivalent to sex meds for men.
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melniav0

Upvotes 62
Comments 35
Date December 16, 2015 5:47 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]Diffident-Dissident 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

McLeod — a lawyer and public relations specialist — told NBC station WCBD of Charleston she wants to make sure men in the male-dominated Legislature know what it feels like to have their reproductive rights targeted.

So because she couldn't find any reproductive rights that are related to abortion for men, she decided to target men with sex-related medical conditions? I mean, if she didn't find any rights for men, it obviously means Patriarchy.

[–]not_AtWorkRightNow 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Right, because if a man conceives a child he doesn't want, he is just fucked. Really no way out of it.

Also, if a man conceives a child he wants with a woman who doesn't want it, he is fucked.

I don't even support these super strict abortion laws at all. But let's not act like men are holding all the cards when it comes to reproductive rights.

[–]jak_22 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

these super strict abortion laws

Nowhere in the US you have "super strict abortion laws"

Look at Poland.

[–]TriflingHotDogVendor 23 points24 points25 points 10 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Men already have to go through a bunch of hoops to get ED meds. First off, they are usually not covered by insurance. For the majority of men suffering from ED, it's $30 per tablet each time they want a day in which they will be able to achieve an erection. And if the insurance does pay for it, there is usually a prior authorization process where paperwork, paperwork, and waiting are always part of the equation. All those people at Medco, Aetna, or whatever get to see your name and that you need Viagra. And even then, if you are the 15% or so of people whose insurance will actually pay for it, you likely have to pay the highest copay tier for an average of 6 pills a month. $30-45 or so for 6 pills. That's right, folks. Men (again the ones lucky enough to have an insurer pay for it) get to have sex 6 times a month if they have a medical condition. Otherwise, its $30 each time.*

If women had to go through the same hoops to get a month's worth of birth control as men have to in order to get a single erection, there would be feminist marches organized in Washington and clever Twitter hashtags about it organized and at fever pitch by 3PM tomorrow.

A significant percentage of those that oppose abortion are women. Just like a significant percentage of men are perfectly fine with women having broad reproductive rights. Why act like this some sort of bizarre, absolute gender war? This legislator needs to grow up and realize that two wrongs don't make a right.

*Source: Am a pharmacist.

[–]SporkTornado 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Comparatively ObamaCare covers all forms of female birth control that exists, except abortion. But on the other hand excludes all forms of male birth control. Not even vasectomy. It is required to pay for tubal ligation. The female equivalent of a vasectomy. Despite the fact that tubal ligation is more expensive than a vasectomy.

What Birth Control Is Covered?

According to HealthCare.Gov Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods prescribed by a woman’s doctor are covered. This generally includes:

-Barrier methods (used during intercourse), like diaphragms and sponges

-Hormonal methods, like birth control pills and vaginal rings

-Implanted devices, like intrauterine devices (IUDs)

-Emergency contraception, like Plan B® and ella®

-Sterilization procedures

-Patient education and counseling

Plans aren’t required to cover:

-Drugs to induce abortions

-Services related to a man’s reproductive capacity, like vasectomies

-http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-birth-control/

[–]Swiggy 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And they aren't even allowed to charge women more in premiums to cover these costs. Men end up having to subsidize the costs.

[–]SporkTornado 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Women are big financial winners in this decision in other ways. The first is the elimination of gender rating, or charging women more because they’re women, pure and simple.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/brycecovert/2012/06/28/obamacare-decision-why-women-are-the-big-winners-health-care-supreme-court/

I'm starting to wonder how it's fair that men pay as much as women. When there are so many gender-specific services that are only available to women. Can you or anyone else here list a service for men that is provided to men under Obamacare, where the female equivalent is not covered.

[–]Swiggy 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"That will now become illegal in 2014, after the ACA is fully implemented. Insurers will no longer have free reign to charge women whatever they like for no discernable reason."

This is the kind of nonsense that goes around unchallenged at makes women believe that are somehow being victimized by the patriarchy. However even when maternity costs are excluded women use more health services.

http://healthblog.ncpa.org/should-women-pay-higher-premiums-for-health-insurance/

Then they go make ignorant comparison for viagra and abortion or birth control

[–]SporkTornado 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the kind of nonsense that goes around unchallenged that makes women believe they are somehow being victimized by the patriarchy.

This is the whole crux of modern feminism.

[–]KrisK_lvin 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"I purposely tried to make it as invasive, as intrusive, as hypocritical and unnecessary as possible to make the point," state Rep. Mia McLeod, a Democrat from Columbia, said Tuesday.

If the point she wanted to make was that she's fucking moron who never should have been voted into office - job done!

[–]Upvote_To_The_Left 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you can buy generic Viagra as easily as you can buy anything off the internet. laws like this, if passed, will just encourage men to find alternate sources.

this is the worst kind of politics. stupid, short sighted, discriminatory, yet presented to you with a pretty face an a smile and sold as being "good for society"

fuck this nonsense.

[–]mariox19 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's stupid about her stunt is this. The people who are against abortion aren't against it because they—on principle—believe that the state should control women's "reproductive rights." They're against abortion because they equate it with the killing of a human being. So, unless you want to argue that every sperm is sacred (thank you, Monty Python), the rationale for her bill stems from a non sequitur.

[–]JayBopara 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is crazy. If she wants to make an equivalence between killing an unborn child and medication then she should make an equivalence with ED meds and tampons. Perhaps she can use her own stupidity to make women jump through hoops to get meds for their periods. The sheer stupidity and sexism of this woman are apparent to anyone with intelligence and understanding of the issues. It is scary that misandrists like this dirtbag woman are in law making positions.

[–]jasonmiles2014 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck this stupid bitch.

[–]MasterBassion 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

False equivalency aside, she does have a valid point. The process to get an abortion can be ridiculous, depending on which ass backwards state you live in. I think her position would come across a little better if she compared womens' birth control options with male birth control options (condoms).

[–]not_AtWorkRightNow 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She does have a point, but she ruins it by even trying to make the comparison to men. There is no men's equivalent to an abortion. It's just not an option we have.

[–]MasterBassion 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. You can't compare apples to oranges when you're dividing with bananas.

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[–]Senray -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What other human being?

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[–]Senray -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't seriously believe an embryo is a human being, do you?

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[–]dannyigl 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By all scientific definitions a human fetus is a human being.

[+]chavelah -14 points-13 points-12 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's exactly why bills like this keep coming up - people like you think it's acceptable to poke your noses into other people's reproductive health issues and create legal barriers to receiving care - barriers which affect poor people almost exclusively.

Healthy women don't need abortions. Men don't need erections. We could ban both things tomorrow with few consequences beyond intense emotional suffering for the people directly affected. Or we could remember that this is NOT the middle ages, and decide that having a baby you don't want and going the last 20 years of your life without sexual intercourse are unecessary cruelties to visit upon our fellow citizens. It's natural to get pregnant when you don't want to. It's natural to become impotent secondary to chronic health conditions or advanced age. It's also natural to die of sepsis when you cut yourself and a dangerous bacteria colonizes the wound. Modern medicine is a huge boon to humankind - knocked-up teenagers and their limp-dicked fathers alike. Politics has no place in the discussion.

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[+]chavelah -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Neither Viagra nor abortion has any significant affect on our population numbers. Hell, about 30% of pregnancies "naturally" terminate in the early stages - a terrible emotional blow to people who want to have kids, but it's always been that way - just as old men, sick men, and fat men have always been prone to erectile dysfunction. We are now able to induce early miscarriage when that is desired by the pregnant person, and induce erections when that is desired by the impotent person. Yay for modern medicine.

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[–]chavelah -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about "I'm right because look at every other decision we made when we thought poverty and having two X chromosomes were good reasons to bully people."

Rich people have easy access to abortion, easy access to Viagra. Legislatures in the Bible Belt enjoy misusing their power to humiliate and inconvenience poor women with the ultimate goal of dissuading them from acessing legal medical care. It's disgusting. It's dangerous. It needs to stop.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Oh, I don't think it'll pass," McLeod told WCBD. "I really just want to broaden the discussion and get people thinking about and talking about some of the issues that women face who are seeking legal abortion services in this state."

She's saying it's a ploy to get people talking about abortion, which isn't surprising since she is described as a PR specialist.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stupid fucking deranged, irrational, psychopathic, antihuman cunts thinking the killing of a growing human fetus and its permanent ramifications are no more significant, than is the blood flow to a man's penis. I was "pro-choice" (still am to a limited extent but don't think it's in need of defending anymore) after being raised in an extremely anti-abortion family—you know, going to those rallies against abortion when I was a child and seeing trucks show up with pictures of dismembered fetuses plastered across the sides. I still saw the other side—while also not blaming all pro-lifers for the extremism in some of their movement. But the absolute fucking psychopathy of the obvious majority of pro-aborts who want to say that abortion is exactly just like any minor medical procedure, and equate a human fetus to a tumor if that's what a woman decides it is, has got me absolutely revolted at this point. I'm never defending these fuckwits' ideology even to the extent that I find it acceptable, because I'm not going to bolster their narrative when it as far as possible from being threatened.

[–]Rockbottom503 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah..... Taking a pill to get a hardon is exactly the same as killing a baby! Why stop there?? I hear people can get paracetamol for headaches - we should apply the same laws and (lack of) logic to people with a headache lol - buffoon, wasting precious time on a bill that even she doesn't think has a chance of passing! How about using that time to request a debate on the subject you're actually bothered about

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[–]Lanoir97 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What exactly would the cause be? As an adult, I can concede that by having sex (even protected) I am at risk of producing a child. In the event that happens, I'll grow up, suck it up, and be that child's parent. To me abortion is an immature way of saying "but I didn't know". What similar consequences would a man on viagra face?

[–]Plain_Bread 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't think I would need an /s for that. But Poe's Law, I guess.

[–]Lanoir97 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, it seemed kinda like it but I had to throw in my two cents on the matter.

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