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Court Case to Force Women to Sign Up for the Draft Gets Huge Boost

DGAgainstDV

December 5, 2015
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/r/MensRights
http://dailycaller.com/2015/12/04/court-case-to-force-women-to-sign-up-for-the-draft-gets-huge-boost/
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Title Court Case to Force Women to Sign Up for the Draft Gets Huge Boost
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DGAgainstDV

Upvotes 346
Comments 63
Date December 5, 2015 3:07 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3vjo4l/court_case_to_force_women_to_sign_up_for_the/
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[–][deleted] 54 points55 points56 points 10 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Women should be compelled to sign up for the draft.

Men had to 'buy' their right to vote by promising to serve in time of need; women should be no different. Equality.

[–]krazybone550 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm fine with either everyone having to sign up for the draft or no one, Just as long as the Government is consistent with the system.

[–]poorscribbler 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Right. I think this is headed in the wrong direction. The right to vote should be enumerated to everyone without any special conditions. I think men should be released from being required to register for the draft in order to vote as opposed to requiring women to register so they can.

That being said, I do understand that there should be some incentive to register, so I'm fine with eligibility for federal financial aid for college being tied to draft registration, as long as men and women both have to register.

Maybe.

I haven't fully thought out the second part yet. I'm certain someone could make an excellent argument about what should or shouldn't be tied to the draft, whether it should exist at all, etc.

[–]krazybone550 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Like I said, I'm fine either way, just be consistent between the sexes. I remember on my 18th birthday going to get my new drivers license and the person at the DMV telling I have to register for the draft or I would be arrested and fined some insane amount. Then I watch a girl behind me get her license, it is also her 18th birthday and gets wished a happy birthday and moves on. Equal rights my ass.

[–]poorscribbler 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a great anecdote. I remember getting a card saying I had a limited amount of time to register or I would lose my license, my right to vote, and my college eligibility (I turned 18 early in my senior year). My younger sisters? They got coupons for free stuff at the mall.

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think men should be released from being required to register for the draft in order to vote as opposed to requiring women to register so they can.

I'm not sure why this is such a common misconception on this forum. Men are NOT denied the right to vote if they do not register for the draft. The draft is attached to other things such as college financial aid, however.

When the 26th amendment was proposed to lower the voting age from 21 to 18, the argument was that 18 year olds were being drafted and therefore should have a say in government. But the right to vote is not linked to the draft in any way.

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[–]poorscribbler 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Umm...what? I'm saying that men shouldn't have to register for the draft in order to vote. I'm saying that having women register for the draft is moving toward equality in the wrong direction, that men should be given the enumerated right to vote without having to sign up for involuntary military service. How am I a misandrist? Or did you forget the /s tag?

[–]phantom_phallus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's some kinda Mr Garrison internet troll thing. Don't acknowledge it and hopefully it will go away.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The men who were drafted in WW1 and WW2 as well as the Vietnam war weren't always even allowed to vote.

Conscription age was 18 but voting age was as high as 21. See the 26th amendment for more information.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In fact not too long ago most men were not allowed to vote. Voting was restricted to land owners. But revisionist history feminists would like you to believe that only wimmins were oppressed.

[–]dominotw 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

who is going to care for children if both parents are drafted.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Believe me if this does pass there will be huge gaping exceptions for women to duck conscription.

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[–]dominotw 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

geez!!

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[–]SigmundFloyd76 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah, ISIS will know in advance and just use blanks when shooting at US woman in combat.

Like that Die Hard movie at the airport.

[–]CatManDontDo 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Such a good movie

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for giving me my first laugh of the morning.

[–]chocoboat 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There will be a very clear divide between the equality feminists (who will all support it) and the professional victims (who will cry that anything that isn't about improving women's lives first is misogyny).

[–]dungone 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't trust any of them as far as I can throw them. They are simply rushing to set the narrative and gain an upper hand in maintaining as much female privileges as they can before a court declared the male only draft as unconstitutional and forces women to the same terms as men. These "equality feminists" have not done anything about it before and it's too late now, there's nothing left for them to do.

What's kind of sickening to me is how they are trying to frame women as the big victims here in being denied "jobs" and discriminated against in the draft due to their female gender. Such liars! It's always been women's groups who were most vocal against a female draft. And there's always been plenty of military jobs for women, but women don't join. This might represent a couple hundred jobs at best, due to lack of interest and lack of qualification even under lowered standards. Not the 211,000 they've been touting.

[–]xynomaster 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's always been women's groups who were most vocal against a female draft.

Didn't NOW argue alongside men challenging a male-only draft in the Supreme Court in the 1980s? I'm pretty sure that's actually still their official position as per their website.

And wasn't it Norway's feminist government that made conscription gender-neutral just a year or so ago?

I don't deny that a lot of women's groups are apparently hypocritical in their opposition to drafting women (but either support or indifference for drafting men), but there are certainly some who support equality in this, even if they're not particularly vocal about it.

[–]dungone 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

It really doesn't matter, does it? They can disagree with one another as much as they want so long as they stop calling it "oppression" whenever they get what they want only to change their minds about it later. It doesn't really change the fact that women's groups were extremely influential in keeping women out of the draft.

[–]xynomaster 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Except that's what this court case is doing, and these headlines are sensationalist nonsense. The courts cannot write legislation - they cannot force women to register for selective service. All the NCFM are doing is saying that selective service is unconstitutional as it involves sex discrimination. If the NCFM win, the courts will strike down selective service as unconstitutional - but again, the courts themselves cannot force women to sign up. Winning just means the whole act is struck down.

Then it will be up to the legislative branch to decide whether to repass a version of the law that includes women (and thus would be constitutional) or leave it to die.

But the important part is that, if this lawsuit wins, the immediate result is NOT women registered for the draft but rather the draft being struck down. For that reason it is totally worth supporting this lawsuit, I think.

[–]COVERartistLOL 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Question. What will happen to the men who were already forced to sign up for SS if it gets strike down? Will our names remain on the list, or will they all be removed?

[–]xynomaster 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, I have no idea.

[–]roharareddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you fucking kidding? Of course they will not be removed!

Every society needs cannon fodder for wars. War is a fact of history.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sweet

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And women will get away with not having to pay as men have.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what I said in the next part of my post

[+]ashlaaaaay -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a very unsophisticated view.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't forget the affirmative action! Time to get women to 50% of all combat deaths. After all the feminist methodology get's used when it benefits them right?

[–]richardnorth 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is fantasy. While women might be made to sign up on paper, there is simply no way in hell theyll be forced to do what men have to and no way in hell theyll go to prison or lose benefits for not signing up. Theyll be "forced" into the easier safer jobs. Equal treatment to men in this area is absolute fantasy.

[–]xynomaster 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If they're made to sign up on paper, they'll lose benefits for not signing up. They're not just going to ignore that section on the application for federal benefits because it's a woman. They won't go to jail, but neither has any man in decades.

As to what would happen in an actual draft...who knows. The chances of that happening in the near future are pretty slim. The goal is to never let that happen, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't fight for equality now.

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[–]PerniciousOne 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Your role is typically determined if you are drafted. If you have desirable skills which could be used (diesel mechanic) you might be drafted as a mechanic, with no desirable skills you would probably end up as infantry.

[–]jtaylor73003 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember the draft isn't just the army. It is any service that needs people, and can even be a private sector area if the President determines it is lacking. Most of the private sector work is used for people who state they are against war and fighting.

[–]roharareddit 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“I have yet to speak with any woman who is personally opposed to registering.”

Just you wait.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The "selective service registration" is a rather silly bit of fiction in 2015 anyway. When a male US citizen turns 18, he gets a card in the mail that says "you must register for selective service" and that consists of writing your name, address, and SSN on a card and mailing it back.

The government already has all that information and the "registration" accomplishes nothing beyond adding another layer of bureaucracy.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Just being born and having an address isn't a contractual agreement.

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[–]mwobuddy 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_Service_Act_of_1917

It was a 1917 decision. There's no basic authority without that, or they wouldn't have needed to make that act prior to locking people up for not serving.

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[–]xynomaster 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Um, I just looked up article 1 section 8, and read the full text. There is references to giving the federal government the power to raise a militia, but zero reference to forced conscription, nor to any specific length of time (not sure where you got that 8 years from), nor any specific mention of gender.

[–]Corn-Tortilla 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, if it's such a silly bit of fiction, then I'm sure women won't have a problem with signing on the dotted line will they.

Oh hey, on your way back to feminism, go fuck yourself.

[–]Woahtheredudex -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I like about this is that it is flushing out the double standards and putting the hypocrisy of feminism in the limelight. It's a no win argument for the them - if feminist are against it then it's misogyny. If they are for it then they risk backlash for putting the coddled little toddlers in boot camp and on the front line. Yeah, Private Benjamin was just a movie.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

It's a step towards equality...

Just a step in the wrong direction, imo.

[–]JasePearson 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not sure why you're being downvoted, it seems like a reasonable comment to make.

[–]roharareddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why do you say it is reasonable?

[–]JasePearson 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I assumed he was talking about how the right direction would be abolishing the draft completely, which would still be equality. I think that's a reasonable comment.

[–]roharareddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

A democracy cannot exist without every voting citizen lending themselves to military service or its contingency, To do away with the draft would remove the last semblance of a citizen army in the U.S. and that would be a bad mover.

Doing away with the draft is not the answer, equality is,

[–]JasePearson 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I won't argue with it, I've got no investment in it, I'm a brit. It seems silly. :)

[–]roharareddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you mean by "in the wrong direction?"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we should do away with the draft all together.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck this shit. Drafting women is not the answer to drafting men. Doing away with the draft altogether, that's what the US needs to do.

[–]Corn-Tortilla 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that! Draft only women. If they want to support warmongers like Hillary Clinton, then let them go fight the wars. The men have been fighting the world's wars for thousands of years. It's time for the women to step up and fight the next few thousand years worth of wars, while we men stay home stuffing our faces with coconut bon bons, sleeping with their best friends, spending their pay, sending the dear Jane letters, and fucking their lives over when we get bored with what little they have to offer.

[–]harryballsagna -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is lowering the ceiling instead of raising the floor. Men should not have to be drafted.

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[–]FeierInMeinHose 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Which will be more likely to happen if women have to register for selective service.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck off back to AMR. Nobody's falling for this false flag crap.

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