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Middle-aged male suicide rate rises by 40 per cent since 2008. A new report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission suggests that unemployment, financial problems and unattainable masculine ideals may be responsible for the increase

TR6Cool

October 30, 2015
237 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11965029/Middle-aged-male-suicide-rate-rises-by-40-per-cent-since-2008.html
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Title Middle-aged male suicide rate rises by 40 per cent since 2008. A new report by the Equality and Human Rights Commission suggests that unemployment, financial problems and unattainable masculine ideals may be responsible for the increase
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TR6Cool

Upvotes 237
Comments 26
Date October 30, 2015 11:21 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3qtrp3/middleaged_male_suicide_rate_rises_by_40_per_cent/
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https://theredarchive.com/post/968307
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Comments

[–][deleted] 50 points51 points52 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What it says: "society is fucking men in the ass, and they see no reason to live"

What feminists hear: "Toxic masculinity whiny manchildren"

[–]dungone 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists have solved this issue long ago - don't be a man. (Here's the requisite /s).

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Stunning and brave!

[–]stopyourBull 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and just when i got that image out of my head you go and remind me.

[–]carchamp1 30 points31 points32 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"financial problems"

You mean getting taken to the cleaners in so-called "family" court, right? Why not just say that. Divorced men kill themselves at 10 times the rate of divorced women. Maybe someone should look into this.

http://jech.bmj.com/content/57/12/993.full

[–]CyLoke 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And there's no support there if you need it. My best friend and I live together and our house is known among our friends as a male only safe space. We've had two friends stay with us for about six months at a time after being divorced from their wives. They said the space saved their lives cause they didn't feel isolated, they didn't have to go home to an empty house and stew about how shit their life was at the moment.

We spent a lot of time cooking, playing vids, drinking, shooting and fishing.

[–]mjoraque 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is awesome~!

Feminists always complain that MRAs haven't done anything for men due to the lack of shelters while ignoring that they do everything possible to ensure Men's Shelters aren't funded.

Unfortunately it seems like the government isn't going to save us from the masses of narcissistic women who look at us as ATMs and status objects.

The only people men can rely on are other men who've been fucked over by this system as well.

[–]DancesWithPugs 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The effectiveness or popularity of a movement is an absurd way to measure if the movement is worthwhile or has legitimate criticisms of the prevailing culture.

The abolitionists were ignored, mocked, beaten, etc., and eventually they won. Slavery is now viewed as an abomination by 99% of people in the Western world.

Feminism itself started as a small group of radicals.

By contrast think of the successful political and military takeovers within history. Are we to believe the American Revolutionaries and the early Soviets had equally valid worldviews because they were successful in their goals for achieving power?

It's pretty easy to pick on an unpopular group, until the tides shift.

I disagree that only people hurt in the same way are capable of compassion and support.

[–]PassifloraCaerulea 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's awesome! Perhaps a model others can follow. Certainly easier than getting funding out of the government, but not everyone will have friends like you two :/

[–]v573v 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They have seen their jobs, relationships and identities blown apart, and these challenges are exacerbated when men occupy low socio-economic positions.

So toxic masculinity is the failure to be emotionally resilient in the face of extreme bias during spousal and child separation.

[–]stopyourBull 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men put up with way too much shit and now it is killing their slaves. they will do something about it when they need bodies to fight wars and build for these crazy twats.

[–]raxical 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the real issue is, how do the deaths of these men affect women and girls?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism has a body count.

[–]pnw_diver 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But the UK doesn't need to have a parliamentary debate on mens' issues or anything, even though British men are killing themselves in droves.

[–]cmumford 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I didn't find that study, but was curious what the woman's rate did during that time period. I did come across a report from Samaritans that shows overall (all ages) men's rates basically flat, but women's rates cutting in half from '83 to '13. Also, for Northern Ireland women's rates were flat while men's rates (again overall) doubled. I found not a single group/region where the gap between men and women narrowed.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently men have just been becoming more masculine. Not like we can identify any more obvious social trends. /s

[–]SlashSero 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

unemployment, financial problems and unattainable masculine ideals may be responsible for the increase

What that really means is the downfall of monogamy, the stable family structure and men being pretty much at the bottom of the employees list since the feminization of the work place. Once a man has nothing to work for, other than perhaps alimony for someone that screwed you over, they lose motivation to live.

[–]Ovendice 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Another pile of SHIT MSM that doesn't address the REAL issues and mislead people into thinking about the topic wrong thus making the problem even WORSE. Even if men do work hard, go to college and try to get a good paying job, there's a good chance that a less qualified woman is going to get the job you apply for because of Affirmative Action.

There's NO future with women and/or having a family. Women today are nothing more than just another dude competing against you and is going to back stab you and dump you for the next guy with more funds and a bigger house the second the chance comes up and devastate you. No hope and no future or reasonable expectation of ever having a family that's going to last any more than a handful of years.

Even dating is becoming out of the question because of the epidemic of false accusations of rape. And then you're always, always treated like a potential rapist and child molester everywhere you go by women. That gets really, REALLY old and it's clear that women fucking HATE men.

The only way to survive this piece of shit, child support/welfare/ single mother whore/ false accusation of rape mentally retarded, police state/ psychopathic, bizarre, bankrupt, entitled Feminist shit hole laughingly called a 'society' is to COMPLETELY cut women out of your life altogether, concentrate on career and/or a craft and/or business and if you can, start your own business and throw yourself completely into it. And forget all of the rest.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What's "MSM"?:o (Sorry.:x)

[–]Ovendice 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mainstream Media.

[–]Alkomb[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, right, sorry. & ah, thanks!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Recently, the Samaritans published a study revealing that middle-aged men of Britain currently feel like they don't belong; torn between two different masculine stereotypes. Their fathers are stoic, living by the classic 'stiff upper lip' ideology and their sons are emotional and encouraged to share any uncertainties and weaknesses.

When we started feeding Free to be You and Me propaganda to Generation X boys back in the 1970's, we were pretty sure that by the year 2000, men would be like women and our work would be done. But it now looks like our social engineering project is going to take two generations. There are some very promising results among the current generation of boys who've been brought up on single mother households, all-female teaching staffs, and you-go-girl TV, and therefore have no damaging masculine influence. So we'll definitely be able to announce success by say 2030-2040 when Gen-X starts dying out. But, yeah, it looks like we're going to have to write off Gen-X men. They just got stuck in the middle - the feminist education we gave them was too little too late, they still wanted to have lives of privilege and comfort like their fathers, and they weren't able to cope with being househusbands to strong independent women.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1077lh/loss_of_breadwinner_role_driving_rise_in_suicide/

"Generation Stuck between two stereotypes" is an extraordinarily lazy and ideological caricature of masculinity, and it's disappointing to see that feminists have evidently become influential at the Samaritans, whose strength used to be that they didn't have a theory to fit their callers into or a grand social engineering solution for their problems.

[–]goodfoobar 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

by the year 2000, men would be like women ... social engineering project is going to take two generations

How many generations will it take to figure out that men and women have inherent differences and there is nothing wrong with that. Stop forcing boys to act like girls and let them be "Free to be You and Me".

If your post is meant to be sarcasm then there should be a /s in your post to make that clear.

[–]FigNinja 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Stop forcing boys to act like girls and let them be "Free to be You and Me".

I think what we have now is more fractured than just forcing boys to act like girls. Yes, we are trying to medicate them into being girls and penalizing them in school if they don't. Then when they grow up and get into relationships with women, they're simultaneously told that they should be more feminine and then get torn down for it when they are. We still have strong depictions of the strong, self-assured man as the hero, but we portray husbands and fathers as doofuses. And we portray the nagging wife as strong. She's right to boss him around. She's right to deny him sex. Why would she want to have sex with a doofus?

All the pressure to be the provider, protector, stoic man still exists, but women say they don't want that. They still want him to go out and slay the dragon. They just don't want to treat him like a hero.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]DancesWithPugs 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

About 70% of America is white, so it would be odd if they weren't the majority of any particular group that doesn't put ethnicity at the forefront.

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