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Gay Alimony and So It Begins ---> WNBA star may be paying $20,000/month

eaton80

July 15, 2015
148 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.chron.com/sports/article/WNBA-star-Brittney-Griner-embroiled-in-alimony-6384402.php?forceWeb=1
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Title Gay Alimony and So It Begins ---> WNBA star may be paying $20,000/month
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eaton80

Upvotes 148
Comments 68
Date July 15, 2015 3:35 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3dc94x/gay_alimony_and_so_it_begins_wnba_star_may_be/
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[–]SporkTornado 38 points39 points40 points 11 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

We aren't going to see meaningful alimony reforms until a more significant number of women get forced to pay unreasonable alimony to their exs. When it was a men's problem, society couldn't give a fucks. But now that it's women who are suffering, now it's a problem that society can no longer ignore.

[–]rottingchrist 29 points30 points31 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If alimony ends up being framed as a problem for women, the solution to it will also be woman-specific. I don't think we can expect something positive for men to come out of it. They'll likely bring in a double standard that solves the problem for women but not for men.

[–]SporkTornado 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's why we will have to lobby hard during any alimony reforms to make sure that the reforms are gender neutral.

[–]carchamp1 12 points13 points14 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Family law has been gender neutral for 50 years and it hasn't meant a thing. Men get fucked and women get the children and the $. You're completely delusional if you think that's going to be "reformed."

[–]cozmickid80 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree we have to lobby hard for that, but the sad fact is that doing so will just be painted as anti-woman rhetoric.

[–]Claude_Reborn 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It'll never happen. They'll just put more flexibility in the existing laws, but still unfairly fuck men over, as per normal.

[–]loddfavne 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If alimony ends up being framed as a problem for women, the solution to it will also be woman-specific.

This is what happened to genital mutilation. Still small boys die because of genital mutilation in Africa. And people in the west even endorse it because of some coocked up schmience that proved that it was effective against AIDS. The reason I said coocked up was that maybe the reason wasn't the circumcision, but rather that the circumciced people had access to healthcare in the first case.

[–]anonlymouse 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the solution to it will also be woman-specific.

This time around, people will be paying attention, and they'll be jumped on. They'll try of course, but the important thing is to not let anyone not know how bullshit feminism is.

[–]mindless_gibberish 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Legally, I'm not sure that will be possible.

[–]Demonspawn 20 points21 points22 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

In her petition, Griner said she wasn't aware of the in vitro fertilization that led to Johnson's pregnancy.

This is about to get very interesting.

[–]chocoboat 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

After thinking about it... it probably won't. The courts and the feminists will join the side of reason and allow Griner to opt out of parenthood. They believe it's wrong to force a woman into parenthood but it's OK to force a man.

[–]Swiggy 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In many states if the child is conceived during the marriage the child is considered a product of the marriage. Men get forced into paying child support for kids conceived when their wife cheats on them. Doesn't matter because it is "In the best interest of the child."

[–]cranktheguy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

My sister did in vitro, and it is a quite involved process requiring many hormone shots. She would have a hard time not knowing about it.

[–]Swiggy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Was she having problems conceiving?

[–]cranktheguy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Is there another reason for in vitro?

[–]Hiscore 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Being gay maybe

[–]cranktheguy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like that could cause problems conceiving, but I'm no expert.

[–]Swiggy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But it might not require hormone shots if it was not a physical problem.

[–]cranktheguy 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hormones are given to all women to increase the chances of the egg implanting. They are daily and quite painful. This is why it is odd that her wife wouldn't know about it. Sorry for the earlier sarcasm.

[–]expert02 45 points46 points47 points 11 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

So they were married for less than 2 months, and one wants $20K per month from the other?

[–]MaestroLogical 26 points27 points28 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Isn't marriage grand! /s

[–]Folsomdsf 29 points30 points31 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

20 grand!

[–]Bwhitty23 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Isn't 20k like half their yearly salary?

[–]victorymonk 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Per month!

[–]Jasperkr672 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The US should do the same as the Netherlands: abolish alimony payments if people were married for less than 3 years.

[–]cranktheguy 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In Texas there is no alimony if the marriage lasted less than 10.

[–]Jasperkr672 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Young men from California should just move to Texas already.

[–]cranktheguy 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We already have enough Californians coming over here.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Less than ONE month.

[–]Tmomp 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Who wants to bet the sperm donor ends up paying?

[–]mansplain 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll take that bet.

[–]KickedToTheTop 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. The tragic comedy of alimony starts to unravel.

[–]carchamp1 26 points27 points28 points 11 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is a shit show. Gays and lesbians had a fucking automatic get-out-of-marriage-free card and they revoked it. What a bunch of fucking idiots. "Gay marriage" has to be the most misguided movement of all time.

[–]The_Natty_King 15 points16 points17 points 11 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Just another opportunity for the government to extract resources from more people under the guise of "equality". If it was sincere, these activists would be lobbying for the government to have nothing to do with marriage. No debtor's prisons for men. No "no-fault" divorce. None of that. Sign your names in a book with a witness. The Gay/Lesbian community could have actually been the turning point in taking marriage away from another sphere of government exploitation for everybody. But, they spent that energy pleading to be part of the dying a corrupt institution known as Marriage.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's not fair. Being married provides a tax benefit. The gays and lesbians in this country deserve the ability to get that tax benefit just as much as straight people do.

The thing is, there shouldn't be a fucking tax benefit for a personal choice.

[–]perverted_alt 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's what he said. Government out of marriage.

The homosexual agenda could have been "Stop giving unequal treatment to heterosexual couples! Get the government out of the bedroom and fix the tax system!"

Instead it was "Give gays the right to marry".

It wasn't just about tax benefits and insurance. So many people are on record saying it was also about erasing any stigma associated with gay unions and making homosexuals feel just like everybody else.

There are lots of people who said civil unions were not good enough.

And now, what happens if churches start doing a whole new ceremony for "traditional marriages" calling them "HOLY UNIONS" or something and heterosexual couples all start referring to their "holy union" and no churches will allow heterosexual couples to get one.

.....And here we go again. Feelz. So many feelz. Something will have to be done.

There was this little glimmer of a chance where we could get the government out of part of our lives....and we blew it!

[–]axsis 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ideally the campaign should have been for just tax benefits. In my opinion, you should only get tax benefits for having children.

[–]lordtyp0 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The whole "Being allowed into a hospital room of a loved one" and complications when someone dies were much bigger issues than a tax benefit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For individuals? Yeah sure. For the government it's really all about tax benefits.

[–]perverted_alt 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And now there is zero chance of getting the government out of marriage. That something needed to be done (harumph) for equality was our only freaking card to play.

Game over.

[–]xenoxonex 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but my right to be with my dying spouse in the hospital, to not have his family destroy all my assets once he's gone, the tax and insurance benefits, is far more important right now for me. I'm not sure how you think a small percentage of the population that barely had any rights until recently, could somehow destroy all government ties for matrimony. Y'all are far bigger in numbers than us, and you've not done anything either. You've failed - not the gays.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but my right to be with my dying spouse in the hospital,

that is not, and has never been a legal issue, that has always been the private policies of hospitals. Any married couple could be denied patient access at any time also.

the tax and insurance benefits

the income tax "benefits" of marriage is an utter fiction unless one spouse doesn't work, or earns VERY little. Getting married cost my wife and I about $10K in additional taxes every year, as well as loss of other tax benefits.

The primary benefit of marriage that has been denied to same sex couples is inheritance. An married couple automatically inherits the spouses assets, tax free and without probate, and without limit. THAT is a huge benefit to deny people.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

only blood relatives or spouses are eligible

Which would change if government had no ability to legally recognize marriage. It was government's involvement in marriage that created this problem in the first place and your solution is to give more power to the government. Great detective work there, Lou.

[–]xenoxonex -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The laws vary by state so no, getting a power of attorney often isn't enough. You're the bigger group. Get YOUR shit together and do something.

[–]eaton80[S] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Hey guys we are all on the same side here, especially now that we are all subject to the same shitty divorce laws. Let's join forces and change them.

[–]carchamp1 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're delusional. The ONLY path for men is to avoid marriage and family at all costs. "Reform" that makes marriage and family palatable for men is impossible, at least in our lifetime. Women simply won't let it happen. They control voting and the getting is just too good to give up.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The laws will change if men avoid marriage and family and I for one would like to be there to turn the handle in the direction of "freedom" instead of "tyranny". If we walk away yet stay completely uninvolved, you can bet bachelor taxes will become popular.

[–]Demonspawn 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you can bet bachelor taxes will become popular.

They'll come anyways. Women control 55% of the vote.

The government keeps getting re-elected by taking more from men (mostly male paid taxes) to give more to women to bribe their votes. The system is corrupt and cannot be fixed from within the system.

[–]carchamp1 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only do I suggest walking away from any attempt at "family" court "reform", I also suggest walking away from the "land of the free" (hahahahahahahahahahahaha...) entirely and moving to a different fucking country.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're the bigger group. Get YOUR shit together and do something.

Actually I wasn't speaking about any group. I was talking about all of us. We all need to take the responsibility to organize our lives instead of delegating that responsibility to the State and then being mad when they abuse the power.

[–]The_Natty_King 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're right. Heterosexual couples, the religious institutions, and the like COMPLETELY failed. They fell for the bait and switch. To reiterate what I said, the Gay/Lesbian community was the only hope of not falling for it. As for taxes, everyone should get those breaks or nobody. I believe that the government shouldn't be able to stipulate and mitigate marriage: If you are married to your partner, you should be able to visit him, etc. My argument is that marriage is a personal institution, not a government one.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know more gay people who didn't want gay marriage to become a thing for just that reason, then I did gay people who wanted to get married.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And if you know anything about gay men, most wouldn't know what commitment was if it bit them

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Stop beating on the gays. They deserve every right everyone else gets, be it shitty marrage or whatever.

[–]Swiggy 7 points8 points9 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Glory isn't even gay. As soon as they got married she ran off to get the fertility center to be impregnated. She just played Griner for the $.

[–]Underwater_Karma 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

she ran off to get the fertility center

Sure she did. It's a "we don't talk about that" type open secret in the gay community that when a woman says she had artificial insemination, it means that most often she got pregnant the old fashioned way by having sex with a man.

[–]goldmouthdawg 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In other words, She Hate Me was pretty accurate.

[–]Underwater_Karma 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know the reference, but due to working a lot of years in bar management I've been deeply immersed in the gay lifestyle scene even though I'm straight.

Gay men are a lot more open minded about sex than gay women are. A lesbian who also has sex with men is treated like a second class citizen, and even shunned by some. Many, if not most, gay women who decide to get pregnant will pick a man and have sex with him...but that's taboo for community lesbians, so they say "artificial insemination" and everyone knows what that means, but it's considered bad form to call them out on it.

[–]goldmouthdawg 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess it's sorta like it but entirely then. That's pretty messed up of the community in general.

She Hate me is about a man that whistle blows on a major pharmaceutical company and gets black balled scape goated. To get money, he impregnates several lesbians the old fashioned way. The main reason they do this because IVF doesn't always work and bad experiences with adoption and what not. One of Spike Lee's better films imo but most critics hated it or were offended by the implications. Stars Anthony Mackie, Woody Harrelson, Ellen Barkin, and Kerry Washington among others.

[–]Dnile1000BC 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So it would seem that supporting gay marriage actually helps the MRM. Who would have thought?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

gay men..?

[–]WaitingToBeBanned 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On June 5, Griner had petitioned to annul the marriage, which took place May 8.

Married less than 1 month and she wants $20K a month in alimony?

I'd say she's got a lot of balls, but...well, you know.

[–]adaam_93 -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What does this have to do with "Men's Rights"?

[–]GoogleOgvorbis 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any controversy over a woman being forced to pay her ex-spouse 20 grand a month helps shine light on the plight of men who are in similarly insane situations.

[–]DroogDim -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lesbian WNBA play? Shocking.

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