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Women publicly mutilates infant boy's penis for money. Says that the suffering of the baby will "maybe… helps men to be a little more compassionate". Mother says that this grievous sexual assault is an "abhorrent" Bronze Age ritual; but agrees anyway.

walkonthebeach

June 5, 2015
128 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title Women publicly mutilates infant boy's penis for money. Says that the suffering of the baby will "maybe… helps men to be a little more compassionate". Mother says that this grievous sexual assault is an "abhorrent" Bronze Age ritual; but agrees anyway.
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walkonthebeach

Upvotes 128
Comments 43
Date June 5, 2015 2:08 AM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/38lymi/women_publicly_mutilates_infant_boys_penis_for/
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Comments

[–]ThePigmanAgain 19 points20 points21 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"And maybe Jewish girls are not required to be circumcised because they can give birth, and maybe that helps sensitize women, who seem to be more naturally compassionate."

Which one is it? Nature or birth? Either way, what a sexist turd. Since she is obviously lacking in compassion, i say she should get part of her cunt cut off so she can feel more compassion. And as for the absurd idea that circumcision makes men more compassionate, Europe, a place where most men are not circumcised, is a much more compassionate place than the US, Israel, and the Muslim world. How the fuck does she explain that?

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree with you about the USA and Europe, but this cunt is typical of female Reform rabbis.

[–]xynomaster 29 points30 points31 points 11 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I've never 100% chosen a side on the circumcision debate before, but if that's the best they can do in terms of justification this is a disgusting practice and should be banned.

She's basically arguing for circumcisions because it causes pain to boys. That's it. That's the endgame. Boys suffering. There's got to be a better justification than that.

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[–]autowikibot 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Section 7. Anesthetic of article Brit milah:


Most prominent acharonim rule that the mitzvah of brit milah lies in the pain it causes, and anesthetic, sedation, or ointment should generally not be used. Eliezer Waldenberg, Yechiel Yaakov Weinberg, Shmuel Wosner, Moshe Feinstein and others agree that the child should not be sedated, although pain relieving ointment may be used under certain conditions; Shmuel Wosner particularly asserts that the act ought to be painful, as per Psalms 44:23. Regarding an adult circumcision, pain is ideal, but not mandatory. In a letter-to-the-editor published in the January 3, 1998, NY Times, Moshe David Tendler disagrees with the above and writes "It is a biblical prohibition to cause anyone unnecessary pain". He recommends the use of an analgesic cream such as Lidocaine, even though it has been implicated in several pediatric near-death episodes.


Interesting: Psalm 12 | Psalm 65 | Mohel | Psalm 105

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[–]walkonthebeach[S] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks. You learn something new about this terrible child sex-abuse every day :-(

[–]theskepticalidealist 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

But they do say you don't have to be circumcised if 2 other boys in your family died from circumcision before you, from a blood related condition. How sweet of them

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Well yeah of course. The real reason is that it will make masturbation and sex less pleasurable.

[–]RecQuery 8 points9 points10 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And in the US - and some other countries - it's an elective medical procedure so they can charge for it and then sell the foreskins for cosmetics and research.

I'm in the UK and it's not the norm here.

[–]rolexpreneur -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The real reason is that it will make masturbation and sex less pleasurable.

According to you, but since you have no experience in this matter you probably shouldn't be talking for all men.

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[–]autowikibot 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Section 8. Masturbation concerns of article History of male circumcision:


Circumcision in English-speaking countries arose in a climate of negative attitudes towards sex, especially concerning masturbation. In her 1978 article The Ritual of Circumcision, Karen Erickson Paige writes: "The current medical rationale for circumcision developed after the operation was in wide practice. The original reason for the surgical removal of the foreskin, or prepuce, was to control 'masturbatory insanity' – the range of mental disorders that people believed were caused by the 'polluting' practice of 'self-abuse.'"


Interesting: Religious male circumcision | Circumcision | Outline of children | Khitan (circumcision)

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I can talk about it because it's widely studied and proved. Circumcision also greatly increases your chances of premature ejaculation.

[–]rolexpreneur -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then how about you actually post those studies? "Circumcision also greatly increases your chances of premature ejaculation." Sorry but it has actually proven to be the opposite of that... In fact, circumcision is commonly used to treat premature ejaculation. Some studies even show that as high as 95.7% of men reported having better control over their ejaculation after the surgery, and the percentage of postoperative sexual satisfaction increased significantly in both patient and partner. Seems like you really don't know what you're talking about.

[–]chavelah 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Actually, she's arguing that witnessing to procedure being done on the baby will sensitize the men who are present. She doesn'the believe that the baby will suffer.

It's absolutely stupid, but if she is like most Jews I know then she is probably being sincere. A traditional bris with a mohel, while still a disgusting human rights violation, takes off a lot less tissue than the Plastibell procedure they do in the hospital. If you use a nerve block, it probably doesn't cause the baby pain (although he'll certainly feel pain later when the nerve block wears off). In the moment of the ritual, she might not be wrong to identify the adult male witnesses as the participants who suffer most. The question then becomes, WHY DO WE WANT TO FORCE MEN TO WATCH GENITAL MUTILATION AND THEN EAT SPONGE CAKE AND HAVE PUNCH?

[–]theskepticalidealist 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

From what I read Jewish circumcision is supposed to be painful and pain relief is not supposed to be used for that reason

[–]chavelah 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is what the rabbis said back in the day. These days, the Orthodox mohels don't use painkillers, but most non-Orthodox mohels do. I consider it a relatively minor issue, compared to the issue of mutilating the baby's genitals. The solution here is to STOP DOING IT, not to make sure the moment of mutilation isn't painful.

[–]theskepticalidealist 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure but the claim from the pro-circumcision FGM hypocrites is that FGM is different because of the reasoning behind it.

[–]walkonthebeach[S] 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Mohel tells the truth

Watch this evil Mohel showing and boasting about the “instruments” he uses to torture and mutilate little Jewish boys. Or as he calls it: ”tickling” them.

Evil child abusing Mohel

Here he states quite clearly that the purpose of him mutilating little boys’ genitals is to damage their sexuality:

Mutilate infants to damage their sexuality

[–]chavelah 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That is an ultra-Orthodox mohel, who performs the most evil version of the procedure for the most evil reasons. Think of is as the equivalent of infibulation among people who practice FGM.

ALL of this is evil, ALL of it is wrong. But the vast majority of people practicing Jewish circumcision in the modern world sincerely believe that it causes no damage to adult sexual capacity. We can't persuade them to stop if we don't address that point. They already loathe ultra-Orthodox anti-masturbation cocksuckers. They need to be convinced that they are doing the same thing he's doing, deputes their vastly different intentions and significantly different methods.

[–]walkonthebeach[S] 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Excellent points. There is a big movement around the world and in Israel itself to educate Jews about the truth of circumcision. Great website here:

http://www.beyondthebris.com

[–]caius_iulius_caesar 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're not open to persuasion any more than most of the circumcised gentiles on reddit, and for the same reasons.

[–]shinarit 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's got to be a better justification than that.

Usually it's the "it should look like my husband's".

[–]masterrod 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I have never heard that argument. It makes me wonder how she raises the kid,

[–]iongantas 13 points14 points15 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately, science shows that mutilating a baby boy's penis will more likely make him less compassionate.

[–]ashlaaaaay 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

link?

[–]DroogDim -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

link

[–]ashlaaaaay 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

point taken, but I'm asking for a study.

[–]TorontoIntactivist 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a growing body of evidence that the trauma of circumcision causes lasting neurological harm.

A lot of info is online online. Simple google keyword searches should be sufficient to get you started.

circumcision and:

shock

alexithymia

autism

mri brain scan

PTSD

infant-mother bonding

phobias

[–]Tymalic 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sad that there's a correlation there to begin with.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"We're not trying to make our kid suffer," Bahar said. "She'll use a pain blocker to numb the area and we'll give him some baby Tylenol before the ceremony. Sure, he'll cry – but that will be because he will be exposed to the cold air."

Yeah, I remember that time when I cut off part of my dick and couldn't have given less of a shit, but this one time I left my house on a cold November day without my coat on... the pain was unbearable!

Seriously though, when you have people trying to argue that cutting off part of a baby's penis WITHOUT ANESTHETIC is not painful and is not the reason that they cry, you're dealing with people who are completely set in their ways and will come up with completely irrational 'justifications' before they'd ever change their views.

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[–]walkonthebeach[S] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jewish father describes himself ritually torturing and sexually mutilating his own son — with a psychopathic justification

"But the mohel with whom I had worked countless times suddenly handed me the knife. He pointed to my squirming son, whose hands and legs were tied to the board. The foreskin had been pulled up over the glans of the penis and was now protruding through a narrow slit of the small, stainless steel clamp....'It's the greatest honor a father can have,' he added....There is no greater primal anger than that caused by seeing another male in carnal contact with your wife, in this case the physical intimacy of mother and son. And there is no greater primal envy than that caused by looking down at the person who was brought into the world specifically to be your survivor....The breast provides, but the knife protects. It channels the father's natural anger and jealousy into one controlled cut. He takes off one small part in order to preserve -- and love -- the whole....No father should be denied this experience, even vicariously, of inflicting upon his child a ritualized blow so intense as to make him both shake and recoil."

— Birth Rite, by Joshua J. Hammerman,The New York Times Magazine, March 13, 1994.

[–]TorontoIntactivist 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good find. The more of these types of writings I encounter the more I am convinced of the dark psychology that perpetuates it.

[–]bakedpotato486 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He takes off one small part in order to preserve -- and love -- the whole.

ummmm...

[–]6456546454 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

http://www.moralogous.com/2012/04/29/the-purpose-of-circumcision-is-to-ruin-male-sexuality/

Unfortunately, science shows that mutilating a baby boy's penis will more likely make him less compassionate.

Why wouldn't it? Society has institutionalized the destruction of an entire gender's pleasure centers; meanwhile, have you heard how oppressed women are?

I'm putting a shotgun in my mouth this weekend. Best of luck, men. Best of luck in this savage fucking shitshow we pretend is a cohesive society.

May your sons know the pleasure that was taken from you by the very culture which claims to be civil, and which never took even a moment to stop shaming you, even after it took your very sexuality from you at birth.

[–]Captaincastle 16 points17 points18 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey man, if you're serious about the suicide thing you should talk to somebody.

[–]baserace 10 points11 points12 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm putting a shotgun in my mouth this weekend.

Don't give up. Get some help.

[–]rolexpreneur -5 points-4 points-3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

An extremely biased anti-circumcision article isn't an actual source.

[–]ErlichBachman 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

www.jewsagainstcircumcision.com

[–]EvilPundit[M] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You have been shadowbanned by reddit admins (not by mensrights moderators). See /r/ShadowBan for information about shadowbans.

I have approved this comment so I can reply to you.

It seems Reddit has a bot that looks for certain types of user behaviour that indicate spamming or brigading. Sometimes innocent users get shadowbanned along with the bad guys. Usually they can fix this if they contact the admins.

[–]Riesea 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That just makes me care less about women's and jewish problems. If you have to cut a baby to....that's too ...fuck.

Shit, I just woke up to this and my day is ruined.

[–]Suffercure 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor baby.

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