Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is actively helping a campaign of "harassment, violence, bullying and intimidation" against a man proven innocent of rape

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I understand that and I know that the US criminal system of justice is based around proving guilt, not innocence, and all people are presumed innocent, therefore the prosecution has to make a case.

However, we are talking about a far more liberal rule for evidence - as AtticusFrenchToast mentioned:

You can get evidence admitted easily
There is no cross-examination
There may not be the Defense ability to exclude evidence
There is merely an evidence bar to "guilt"
No professional legal defense may be permitted

A courtroom definition, and a common English speaker's definition are quite different. Police will almost never admit that a person is innocent despite the fact that evidence placed a person three states away. The police would say they failed to get a conviction, and that the verdict was not guilty. This is a courtroom definition though, with a high bar to conviction. This type of conviction is not applicable to Kangaroo courts of Academia.

Furthermore, just as we pay credence to Briffault's Law, so do I also to Roosh's Law around Public Rape Allegations

However, the kangaroo court of academia around rape investigations have no legal bearing. It is not a court of law with a professional judge (a distinguished or elected lawyer), a prosecution (a lawyer), and police gathering evidence, opposed by competent defense (teams of lawyers or a public defender at a minimum), with a jury of citizens making the decision. Instead, it is a committee of individuals mainly have no professional education or training in Law, oftentimes including undergraduate students and academics...

So, despite the incredibly low bar to finding guilt on the male student in question, none was found.

Considering all of above, it is correct that I describe him as innocent.

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Warren Farrell:

Warren Thomas Farrell (born June 26, 1943) is an American educator, activist and author of seven books on men's and women's issues.

He came to prominence in the 1970s, championing the cause of second wave feminism, and serving on the New York City Board of the National Organization for Women (NOW). However, he left NOW and is now recognized as an important figure in the modern men's movement.

His books cover ten fields: history, law, sociology and politics (The Myth of Male Power); couples’ communication (Women Can’t Hear What Men Don’t Say, and Father and Child Reunion); economic and career issues (Why Men Earn More); child psychology and child custody (Father and Child Reunion); and teenage to adult psychology and socialization (Why Men Are The Way They Are and The Liberated Man). All of his books are related to men's and women studies; consistent to his books since the early 90's has been a call for a gender transition movement.

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There you go again with your left wing conspiracy theory of feminists somehow being "right wingers".

Let me lay it out for you left winger, feminists are pro abortion and big government (Title IX, OCR overreach, VAWA, etc). And they all exclusively vote for other left wingers. How is this somehow them being "right wingers" as you so love to constantly put it?

You are a dense, MSNBC watcher who also probably reads too much HuffPo and who doesn't want to admit that hateful feminists are an exclusive problem of the left (a left winger diverting blame, what a shock). I guess next you'll be blaming those 'right wingers' for anti-male/due process trampling rape policies too...even tho those policies are all coming from liberal states (California, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut).

Keep raging about those "right wingers" tho, you'll bound to get more than a few people here on the liberal circlejerking and conservative bashing Reddit to listen to your nonsense.

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Ok, lets look at two of the central founding figures of modern feminism:

Simone de Beauvoir: Before WWII deeply embedded in the heart of the French establishment from a catholic banking family, going to the elite schools. During the war in the propaganda arm of the Nazi Vichy government. Right after the war active in the communist organizations on Balkan when the Eastern block was established. No one at that time works for those three parties and lives without intelligence ties. And considering her life long pedophilic activities, of which nothing ever stuck to her but seemed to give her a lot of leverage, all this looks very much like poster child intelligence.

Gloria Steinem: In the late 50s early 60s worked for a CIA front to recruit young people to send abroad to infiltrate communist organizations. Worked for CIA sponsored Ms. Magazine when it was founded. In 68 and 72, in both Nixon presidental races (and at least of the second we know for sure hor corrupt and CIA involved it was) in quick succession was part of the election campaigns of every democratic anti-war candidate until, right until each of them was out of the race. She did so with a feminist agenda, but strangely was always very restrained when it actually came to putting feminist items on the election agenda. After that a jet setting travelling life and central figure in NOW, an organization that has people all throughout the government and corporate America. Became active in presidential campaigns again when ex CIA chief son Bush Jr. wanted to become president.

Maybe all a bit tin foily and circumstantial, but strong and consistent narratives nonetheless.

I think the feminist movement exists for the same reason and was created governmentally sponsored for the same reason as the war on drugs: to divide and rule the people and have handy pretexts to get rid of or undermine any unwanted civic movement and civic leader.

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I don't see much use in the terms left and right either. I prefer conservative, and progressive. Conservative: those who want to conserve and strengthen the status quo, i.e. those who benefit the most from the status quo, the establishment, the wealthy and powerful.
Progressive: Those who want to change the status quo, and as such of course have the wealthy and powerful establishment against them.

A lot of people put feminism in the marxist/leftist corner, because they spout a lot of cultural marxist terms. But all that cultural marxism has very little to do with what Marx actually wrote. Marx was all about economy. The word patriarchy doesn't even exist in his writings. He mentions patriarchal communities a few times, by which he refers to rural economic structures that still have some remnants of feudalism. But even there, some of the examples he gives, have a woman at the top.

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Can you give me a scientific source instead of Libertarian PR stunts? As i said above they simply lie and say Communists would be in the so-called authoritarian Left. Well I am a communist, and communists don't line up there. They line up down in the bottom corner of the "libertarian" left.

Nobody ends up in the so-called authoritarian Left because Lefties are not authoritarians.

The rest of that quiz lines people up along a single axis from the Left tot he Right which runs from the bottom Left of the diagram through the bottom Right to the top Right.

Certainly you're willing to admit that there's more than just the left-right continuum?

Well the actual science looks more at morals than politics. For example this study splits them according to a division of:

http://projectimplicit.net/nosek/papers/GHN2009.pdf

Harm
Fairness
In Group
Authority
Purity

And I've seen this elsewhere (with slightly different names although "purity" seems consistently used to Google for hits).

But as for the politics, yeah, actually it's only a Left-Right axis that the social scientists use. if there's another axis to politics they don't know about it.

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Section 10. Opposition to the ERA of article Equal Rights Amendment:

Opponents of the ERA focused on traditional gender roles, such as how men do the fighting in wartime. They pointed out that the amendment would eliminate the men-only draft requirement and guarantee the possibility that women would be subject to conscription and be required to have military combat roles in future wars if it were passed. Defense of traditional gender roles proved to be a useful tactic. In Illinois, supporters of Phyllis Schlafly, a conservative Republican activist from Illinois, used traditional symbols of the American housewife. They took homemade bread, jams, and apple pies to the state legislators, with the slogans, "Preserve us from a congressional jam; Vote against the ERA sham" and "I am for Mom and apple pie." They appealed to married women by stressing that the amendment would repeal protective laws such as alimony and eliminate the tendency for mothers to obtain custody over their children in divorce cases. It was suggested that single-sex bathrooms would be eliminated if the amendment were passed as well. Traditional women started to oppose the ERA. She said the ERA was designed for the benefit of young career women and warned that if men and women had to be treated identically it would threaten the security of middle-aged housewives with no job skills. They could no longer count on alimony. Women's colleges would have to admit men. Her argument that protective laws would be lost resonated with working-class women.

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Left-wing politics:

In left-right politics, left-wing politics are political positions or activities that accept or support social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality. They typically involve concern for those in society who are perceived as disadvantaged relative to others and an assumption that there are unjustified inequalities that need to be reduced or abolished.

The political terms Left and Right were coined during the French Revolution (1789–1799), referring to the seating arrangement in the Estates General: those who sat on the left generally opposed the monarchy and supported the revolution, including the creation of a republic and secularization, while those on the right were supportive of the traditional institutions of the Old Regime. Use of the term "Left" became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".

The term was later applied to a number of movements, especially republicanism during the French Revolution, socialism, communism, and anarchism. Beginning in the last half of the Twentieth Century, the phrase left-wing has been used to describe an ever widening family of movements, including the civil rights movement, anti-war movements, and environmental movements, and finally being extended to entire parties, including the Democratic Party in the United States and the Labour Party in the United Kingdom.

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Title	Senator Kirsten Gillibrand is actively helping a campaign of "harassment, violence, bullying and intimidation" against a man proven innocent of rape
Author	wrez
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Date	February 6, 2015 4:49 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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