Question for the Blackpillers

YetAnotherCommenter · 2023-07-24T13:05:28+00:00

I'm not entirely blackpilled but let me offer the following suggestions -

Legalize, deregulate and destigmatize sex work
Legalize, deregulate and destigmatize pornography, sex toys, male bisexuality, and the like
Destigmatize male singlehood
Stop abusing/humiliating/degrading/targeting "loser"/"loner"/weirdo/'spergy/nerdy men
Stop abusing or shaming men for having hobbies-other-than-sportsball
Abolish the idea that sex with women is somehow any kind of morally-worthwhile validation
Abolish lookism
Improve cosmetic surgery and make it cheaper and more painless

The reality is some men are just going to fail at romance. We have to accept this. It isn't for everyone. You say eugenics is inhumane but we already practice it, just through natural, decentralized, non-coercive methods. State Eugenics is evil, but the reality is people of both sexes pick partners on traits that are primarily genetic.

actually ridiculous shit like allowing natural selection to weed out short men

If the vast majority of women voluntarily refuse to breed with short men, and have a reproductive preference for taller men, you can't avoid short men being bred out UNLESS you want to start infringing on women's autonomy. That's the reality.

I'm supportive of the sexual revolution and the human rights of women. But if women have absolute power over who gets laid, we have to accept that incels will exist (at least for a long time). There will be "runts of the litter."

What we can do is ease incels' pain, treat them with basic dignity and decency, acknowledge that they may be genuinely valuable human capital and be genuinely pro-social contributors, and let them experience many other pleasures in life.

No, you DON'T have to fuck them. NO ONE has to fuck ANYONE ELSE. But they're already peripheralized, victimized, mocked, humiliated and, yes, oppressed (not from "not being fucked" but basically from being on the bottom of the evolutionary-totem-pole). Basic civility, kindness and shit, combined with honesty about their situation (i.e. "no, you're not physically attractive, but you're and intelligent and interesting person" for example) would help things greatly.

kukkle1111 · 2023-07-24T11:28:12+00:00

suffer unjustly

There is nothing unjust about it. This is just nature taking its course.

In our pre-modern era, men controlled reproduction, and therefore a small number of men fucked all the women.

In our modern era, women control reproduction, and therefore a small number of men fuck all the women.

Throughout the history of our species, almost every woman reproduced, whereas the majority of men never had the opportunity to leave behind any offspring, the percentage of men who successfully reproduced fluctuated between 20% to 40% depending on the time period.

This is just how life is for most men, there are no solutions and there’s nothing to be done about it.

ReasonablePlenty5548 · 2023-07-24T11:51:30+00:00

Euthanasia for ugly men like me

platinirisms · 2023-07-24T11:41:00+00:00

so all woman are inherently selfish and shallow

The vast majority of humans, men and women, are selfish and shallow.

Their brains don’t even register unattractive or below average men.

In terms of potential suitors to date? No. If people were at a club, the vast majority of people would immediately gloss over the unattractive people instantly without even being conscious of doing so.

Nearly all women can have sex whenever they want, even with men who are much more attractive than themselves. Men who are short, or unattractive, or neurodivergent suffer unjustly because women will never sleep with them — even if they’re a nice guy.

Yes, being nice isn’t a sexually attractive trait, if a morbidly obese woman was extremely sweet and kind, the average man still wouldn’t want to get into a relationship with her.

What’s your solution then?

Unattractive men need to focus on becoming attractive, or lose the game of life.
Non-Blackpillers need to stop gaslighting unattractive people and trying to claim the reason they’re single is because they’re actually awful people with horrid personalities. Just accept that ugly people will struggle in the dating scene and try to be empathetic about that.

EverVigilant1 · 2023-07-24T17:38:56+00:00

OK. I get it now. You didn't really want answers to these questions. You didn't ask this in good faith. You just wanted to bitch and complain and lash out at these men.

mewbestpokeman · 2023-07-24T17:45:18+00:00

Eugenics? All of these are disgustingly inhumane.

Tell that to w*men who dehumanize 80% of men because they don't have the "right" height looks or race.

SecondEldenLord · 2023-07-24T12:17:08+00:00

There would be 2 solutions, one more realistic than the other: 1. Attraction is more of a choice rather than biological in this day and age. Average men had no issues getting women in 50s, 60s and so on. Media brainwashed women that even though they are a 5 or a 6, they deserve the best man, a 9 or a 10. So we could either have media reprogram women on what it is important for relationships or.... 2. Forget about dating completely as an average man. Since other methods are either consider dehumanising or impossible, then have men forget dating altogether, especially if they lost the genetic lottery. Surgery is not a good solution for men and neither is money, because that won't bring genuine love and affection. So best and most probable solution is having men forget dating and focus on themselves only, their hobbies, career, finances and so on.

Southern_Fall983 · 2023-07-24T13:36:31+00:00

Legalized prostitution and the destigmatization of hiring a professional is the closest you’ll get to a “solution”. It’s not a definitive solution because it takes care of one aspect (sexual desire) but not the other (companionship).

There is also a macro effect here because men getting sex from women with no effort except a financial transaction would knock women off their pedestals. This would have minimal to 0 impact on sub 5 men but perhaps it would be beneficial for average to slightly above average men

rolurk · 2023-07-24T14:42:22+00:00

Euthanasia/assisted suicide

Rude_Excitement2909 · 2023-07-24T15:00:12+00:00

the blackpill has always been entirely descriptive to me. prescriptive statements ought to be relegated to the redpill. thats where they tell you to work out, learn game, make money, etc. the blackpill does no such thing. it simply looks at the world as it is and describes it in the most brutally honest way. thats why its the hardest pill to swallow, since there are no words of comfort/hope. it offers no strategy like the redpill does. it leaves everything to you to do with it what you will. you *can* decide to looksmaxx, etc., but thats your choice.

SmolPPAcceptance · 2023-07-24T17:13:23+00:00

You posted all this as a hypothetical. Why don't you bluepillers first acknowledge black pill truths so we can then work towards a solution? Maybe if you people made even a minuscule effort to help out then you wouldn't hear about dumb shit like government mandated gfs.

Step 1 is to identify the problem. Don't get ahead of yourself.

purplish_possum · 2023-07-24T13:41:32+00:00

There is no solution. Mother Nature is a major league bitch.

whimperandwhine · 2023-07-24T12:59:27+00:00

I said “pre-modern”

Oh hush, people use modern to denote our present circumstances all the time and you know it. I honestly assumed you couldn’t possibly be talking about the Stone Age because that’s fucking ridiculous. Western men have been entitled to a wife and the use of her body for the past 1000 years, so your claim that men only controlled reproduction in the pre-modern era is bullshit.

Most women are not attracted to most men.

Even if this were true, I’d argue that women date men they’re not attracted to all the time then. 49% of American men ages 18-29 are in a relationship. That’s like 16 million people. They can’t seriously all be mega chads. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/

I keep hearing women say this bullshit, but I never see it.

Scroll through the sub. It’ll take 5 seconds max.

Women have never wanted validation from men.

Categorically false. Talk to a woman or two. Vast majority crave male validation albeit I’ll concede that they shouldn’t be, as male validation is abundant and worthless.

KayRay1994 · 2023-07-24T14:02:58+00:00

i don’t believe in the blackpill at all, but i do think destigmatizing, legalizing and regulating prostitution will do a lot to help - it would be safer for the SWers, and these men would not only be having sex, but they would also be talking to real women (ergo they’re more likely to develop some vulnerability and compassion)

Exciting_Pay_1898 · 2023-07-24T14:34:18+00:00

So what if someone doesn't have a fully fleshed out solution that you approve of?

Title	Question for the Blackpillers
Author	whimperandwhine
Upvotes	5
Comments	187
Date	July 24, 2023 11:05 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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