Anyone else realize that Red Pill and PUA tactics attract the very wrong women?

Mriconicdev · 2022-01-25T17:43:32+00:00

Absolutely. It’s manipulation and low self esteem individuals are easy to manipulate.

Newbie1955 · 2022-01-25T18:04:06+00:00

Yeah. Red Pill men don't realize that they are part of the system they are critiquing, and through their actions they are giving themselves a selection bias. Women who want a healthy relationship, refuse to play games, and are looking for something genuine and not transactional, are going to immediately reject these men and not engage with them. The only women who will engage are the women either so needing to love someone that they will put up with anything, do anything for a shred of affection, and don't have the greatest self respect, or women perfectly happy to have a transactional relationship and who will happily and easily move onto the next guy if she gets an opportunity to trade up and get more for her effort. Somehow in Red Pill's mind this translates into AWALT and "there aren't any good women out there."

simpnuggets34 · 2022-01-25T22:50:13+00:00

Yeah, Mark Manson goes over this in his "Models" book. He says PUA tactics are flawed because you'll get low tier women who "tests" a lot and have baggage. A normal woman wouldn't put up with that junk, so she won't reciprocate. A woman who has low self esteem will usually reciprocate because they grew up in a messed up household where that type of treatment was normal. It's really sad that nobody talks about this.

FastMoneyRecords · 2022-01-25T21:33:41+00:00

I always say their strategies are for women who aren’t interested in you, gold diggers, shallow women, or chicks who are just plain toxic

kblkbl165 · 2022-01-25T23:44:50+00:00

Yes, but that's the whole point, getting their dicks wet with whatever passes their beauty standard.

TRP's conservative twist is just a make-up to set themselves apart from the liberal scum because in their worldview it's men that should be able to fuck around, not both men and women.

sickbabe · 2022-01-26T04:33:17+00:00

just like how a decently attractive woman can have sex fairly easily by lowering their standards enough to sleep with shallow, selfish, insecure men, a decently attractive man can have sex fairly easily by throwing cash and picking at the self esteem of shallow, selfish and insecure women. These strategies employed by redpill and subsequently thrown at the women who question it (i.e. "a woman could go out and have sex any night of the week, you don't know what it's like etc.") never like to dwell too much on the kinds of people liable to take that offer.

dunndundun0601 · 2022-01-26T08:30:28+00:00

The completely ignore the fact that these women are "crazy" because they ALREADY think low of themselves and probably have traumatic pasts. THEN you have men LITERALLY manipulating and coercing them into "relationships" or sex so the guy can get some ass and female attention. Once they get through using you, they're on to the next. But not before lying to you for months about how special you are to them, how much they wanttobe with you, etc... but then men get confused when they don't go quietly in the night..

This is LITERALLY reactive abuse! You're lying to someone to get what you want and when they figure it out and react accordingly, THEY are crazy, unhinged and emotional.

The only thing RP and PUA teach is how to prey on weak minded women. Because the strong minded ones are the ones they REALLY want but because they're unattainable and emotionally secure, you can rack up bodies like you can with a woman who is already broken down.

Its disgusting.

xvszero · 2022-01-25T18:19:45+00:00

Well. It's possible, but keep in mind, the only person we are hearing about how all these women they interacted with were "crazy" are huge sexist assholes, so they aren't exactly an unbiased source of information. It's very possible the women were all very average / "normal" but just didn't stand for the bullshit these dudes were sending at them. "And then she flipped out on me when I told her if she wont suck my dick then..."

HGW86 · 2022-01-26T03:49:52+00:00

For me, those PUA tactics were equally as effective at attracting women with low self esteem as they were with attracting any other woman. And by that, I mean they didn't work at all.

When I hear about people who say red pill tactics work on women with low self-esteem, especially looking back in hindsight from not only my time in the manosphere but also my time leaving it, I find it really hard to comprehend exactly how even THAT would work.

HinduProphet · 2022-01-25T18:37:42+00:00

Red Pill men create FDS women.

heytheredelilah91 · 2022-01-25T23:46:46+00:00

Like attracts like.

Bosbesjes · 2022-01-26T11:03:55+00:00

Duhhhh. They’re a reflection of the men that are pulling them.

GlobalHawk_MSI · 2022-01-26T17:08:25+00:00

That is basically what tipped me off about them PUA even though I have suspicions about them already. Tbh they do have some legitimate reasons as to why they went that way, however the way they want to solve that is wrong.

This particular subject is very complicated and has various nuances to cast a "one size fits all" solution or even a discussion.

onenightstanduhoes · 2022-01-25T18:17:54+00:00

Yep totally confirm this, you will end up with crazy red haired (not natural duh) girls that might do some damages.

Traditional_Level377 · 2022-01-26T01:08:34+00:00

Personally I think the red pill tactics are somewhat Pua-ish but men fail to realize that relationships are a game in itself. You have to keep up appearances by not gaining weight or being lazy and make enough money to live a certain lifestyle for her to want to join. Everything isn’t a one size fits all situation I know but exceptions to the rule don’t make the majority. With that being said women made the game men just play it.I personally believe there’s no such thing as unconditional love unless it’s from family members. Receiving love outside of family is conditional. Women can say they want to get serious and have a relationship with no drama or headaches but they still go where the drama and headaches are. Not all but I seen enough to know that the red pill is not completely wrong. And maybe some will say they haven’t matured yet etc but I noticed this with a lot of women even older ones that have they shit together. So I guess it all depends on the person and situation that’s my view on it.

Al3xis_64 · 2022-01-26T00:51:05+00:00

eh, redpill helped me. Of course if u take 20 pills of any kind ur going to overdose. You need to combine being redpill and being yourself. Learning redpill helped me alot with women but it also helped me with focusing on myself and being better than i was yesterday. Of course, I'm not gonna cut off a girl just because she has a tattoo (i saw some bs redpill video saying that if she has a tattoo then shes a whore or something) but I'm not gonna let a woman step over me or have any leverage either.

ErnMindfux · 2022-01-26T19:18:38+00:00

This was strikingly obvious from the first time I read about Mystery and The Game.

chipndip1 · 2022-01-28T22:48:13+00:00

I mean, that's kind of the point? From what I've gathered mingling in the FnF subreddits, they want someone that's "submissive and feminine". Basically "obedience" in the sense that the man has his goals and the woman is there to support the man's goals, rather than her own goals. You aren't gonna find "obedience" in someone with confidence or independence. So the main targets are attractive women with no confidence, dependency issues, and lower earnings than themselves.

Now, you could say that this then nets you the very girls that RP-consumers think aren't smart, have no value "outside of their looks", have baby daddy issues because the last guy slam dunked the vag with no condom on, or whatever else, but apparently the fix to this is to find a girl outside of western countries that's "pure" and then either live in her country or bring her back to yours.

I'm kind of an outsider of it all, but that's what I gathered while looking and debating and chatting there. I don't join ideological groups like these pills or "Me Too" or whatever in most cases because I refrain from group think.

Extension_Ad_439 · 2022-01-30T03:44:45+00:00

When did "Red Pill" come to mean a cross between incel and PUA? What about MGTOWs and MRA?

Title	Anyone else realize that Red Pill and PUA tactics attract the very wrong women?
Author	Big-Bonkin-Head
Upvotes	92
Comments	31
Date	January 25, 2022 5:30 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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