Loyalty and women

SweelFor- · 2022-07-20T16:53:20+00:00

It's hard to have a response when no facts are presented. Redpillers have a lot of imagination and this is one of the things they imagined. That's my response.

I don't even know how to approach this because it's not correctly articulated in the first place.

If you really insist that you want a response to the nazi situation then:

1) Even if 100% of french women married german soldiers, how does this affect present day relationships? Explain exactly what is the link?

2) Obviously not 100% of french women actually did that.

3) Why do they go back to this situation at all? If you want to find out how loyal people are in modern relationships, then look at... modern relationships? Cheating percentages in men and women? Why french women after nazi invasion lmao.

4) It ignores the fact that a percentage of french men were also collaborators.

5) It ignores all context for example the fact that this might have been a life or death situation for some of the women involved.

6) It ignores experts: what do historians and sociologists say about this? If you were truly curious about french women marrying german soldiers, then you would ask and listen to historians and sociologists, not god damn RP money makers. RP people are not aware that there are professionals that already exist that have already answered their questions, and that all of those answers contradict the RP worldview.

7) Even if they were somehow correct, and we lived in a hypothetical world where 90% of women are not loyal, doesn't that mean that you should focus on the 10% who are? RP people see a percentage and then decide that it applies to the entire group. They have failed middle school level mathematics. They don't understand that if a portion of the class got a 4/10 doesn't mean that everyone in the class got 4/10. 14yo children understand statistics better than RP people.

This whole arguements perfectly highlights the complete ignorance of RP people regarding psychology arguments and how to apply critical thinking to statistics and groups.

It is a good example of their lack of education in psychology, in science in general, and their lack of critical thinking capabilities.

What should happen is that anyone who completes high school and reads this argument, should instantly identify it as shit and entirely invalid and stupid. The fact that this does not happen indicates our failure as a society to educate people about baseline critical thinking abilities.

RP people are not scientifically minded, they are not capable of critical thinking, they are not educated in psychology and group statistics. Once again their opinion is irrelevant.

meghan518 · 2022-07-20T20:23:20+00:00

Look at the women married and loyal to their partner with no job, make less money than them, or even with men in jail. There's definitely no hard and fast rule, and most statistics show men are more likely to be unfaithful https://ifstudies.org/blog/who-cheats-more-the-demographics-of-cheating-in-america

PutsWomenOnPedestal · 2022-07-20T19:29:25+00:00

As a student of WW2 history myself, I find this to be such a blatantly stupid argument. For most of human history women have been forced to perform for the patriarchy just to survive. Do these RPers have any idea what it is like to live under Nazi occupation? The starvation and rationing of food in wartime? If given a choice between starvation, death camps or firing squads or being treated somewhat better in exchange for ”marrying” the occupiers, how many RPers do you think will choose the former? Especially if it also means the difference between life and death for their current children. We all know the answer.

This kind of talk shows such an utter lack of empathy or compassion for what women have gone through just to survive.

GoodSilhouette · 2022-07-20T17:59:27+00:00

You think women who see their families (brothers, fathers, sons) and friends get slaughtered arent effected by that?

So you focus on some marriages (of which how many were coerced) and ignore war rape and sex slavery and other heinous sexual violence that women and girls are subject to? Its a war crime for a reason and tied to genocide.

Also thats piss poor example: vichy france existed as a fascist state and being french doesn't mean they weren't nazi sympathists tf

xvszero · 2022-07-21T01:58:59+00:00

My response is it's a dumb thing to say. No other response needed.

camellight123 · 2022-07-21T01:00:53+00:00

I can't really gloss over the Nezi propaganda. This hits close to "great replacement theory", unfortunately I know a quite a bit about such theory, and it's rooted in misogyny and antisemitism, and ultranationalism.

According to this theory, the global elite, which are Jews who control academia, the media, and sectors of government, used feminism to free women from the benevolent control of the nation's men.

Nazi men believe women should only copulate and procreate, with men of their own race or nationality, and it is feminism's fault, women aren't behaving as they should.

Also the "global elite" is promoting muticolturalism and immigration, on top of feminism emasculating the western man.

So for a Nazi, the mix of immigration, weak feminized men, and feminist women, leads to the end of the Arian (white) race through race mixing. This is the basis of the great replacement theory.

The France example is one of those talking points spewed by Nazis. Not only it is unfair to judge people who are going through a brutal war, but also it is an arbitrary example with no meaning, not even worth of debunking. (Also do we wanna talk about all the men who have raped, and taken female slaves, or wifes, while colonizing some place or the other, while having a wife of their own "tribe" at home).

So beside being misogynistic, I would worry said person is being funneled toward Nazism.

Tostitos153 · 2022-07-21T04:02:30+00:00

Perhaps because if they didn’t, they would get killed or tortured and forced into it anyway? Your response?

Eyeejct · 2022-07-21T11:21:43+00:00

Well a lot of women are indeed unfaithful, same for a lot of men. It's on you to prove that women have a higher inclination to be disloyal, personally most stories I heard from acquaintances have the man as the culprit

They highlight how French women married German soldiers in WW2 after Nazis invaded France (IIRC)

This "loyalty to the tribe" argument is very, very tricky, and I feel that you should explain what it means and it's importance in greater detail.

Were Frenchmen working for the Vichy administration that was a de-facto German puppet loyal to their tribe? Were Germans involved in anti-nazi subversion/resistance? Was the "nation" of Germany loyal to law abiding, tax paying jewish Germans?

On a secondary note, I was not surprised to find that once the Nazis took over, it probably became extra hard for women to get a job. So you´d have to take this into account before judging the women that married German soldiers, as many of them were probably desperate to marry anything with a salary simply because of a lack of options.

redditiasausagefest · 2022-07-21T16:00:26+00:00

Makes sense that red-pillers embrace tribal loyalty. They are quite primitive, after all.

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doratattie · 2022-07-21T23:06:17+00:00

What's the real evidence for thus other than anecdotes? What about the stats that show men are far more likely to leave their spouse if they become seriously ill while women are more likely to stick by their ill spouse? Does that make men disloyal by nature? You can't just take extreme examples and then extrapolate it as representative of inherent traits to all women or all men butbthats just what red pill snake oil merchants do, they are blowing smoke up your ass.

Shot-Cellist9635 · 2022-07-27T11:03:13+00:00

just because they have never known a womans loyalty doesnt mean it doesnt exist. I know so many women who would never think of cheating on thier husbands and have stayed with thier husbands during times that it would have been better for her to leave. this infuriates me because these men are projecting thier own problems on loving loyal women. I am starting to believe that when these men die and they are in thier last moments and they look around with no one there but a paid nurse and they see that there is no one to miss him when hes gone, only then will he realize that his life was meaningless. that will be his reward for a life of spreading trauma.

by the way, my grandmother is french...lots of young french women died for the liberation cause... thats right, they willlingly sacrificed thier lives for thier country.

Title	Loyalty and women
Author	itneverbeganwithyou
Upvotes	0
Comments	32
Date	July 20, 2022 4:41 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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