My experience with Corey Wayne

RedPillDetox · 2022-01-12T15:43:13+00:00

On the subreddit, I got slammed by his followers telling me all the ways I am not following his material to the T. All I did is try to challenge the fact that you have to constantly be checking on yourself and the margin for error is apparently 0% (if asking a question via text can be considered an error).

This is exactly what's wrong with the manosphere dating advice. Everytime someone applies the advice and fails, it's always because they didn't apply it "well enough" or "correctly enough". It's never because the advice itself is limited or just doesn't work at all. You got an army of clueless, indoctrinated guys on the internet telling you that you failed because you weren't "decise enough" or some other bullshit who can't comprehend the advice may in fact be bad.

On the contrary, had you succeed with those girls, nobody would have bated an eye. It would be assumed that you succeded because the advice works and not because of some other potential variable like the girl just liking you independently of what you would have said or done anyway...?

At least Mark Manson tells you the whole thing is a numbers game anyway. Sometimes the advice doesn't work and in some cases it even harms you.

drphillovestoparty · 2022-01-13T04:01:29+00:00

Sounds like you are taking it a bit too literally and not able to relax because you are trying to remember details in a book to guide a human interaction (which are complex)

Remember girls like a sense of humour. Are you able to relax and have one around these girls? Sounds like you are uptight as hell because you are too concerned about being a "beta" which ultimately is an issue of putting her on a pedestal. And following some strict guidelines in a book written by some random.dude. not saying his info is good or bad, I have no idea. With most things in life though, likely best to pick the good parts out of it. But that is the issue. You are going around reading a script in an attempt to gain affection from women, and are worried about not being "alpha" or looking too "beta". Does this strike you as behavior a confident sexual man would display?

When I meet a woman, I act like myself. Of course I'll dress up and be engaging, but I could care less what she views me as. If she doesn't like me i'll have another date later in the week. I'm.also paying attention to see what she is like, and if I see any potential for a LTR. In other words I'm not all focused inside myself like you are.i don't care about impressing her- I'm seeing if she is worth my time and if we get along, personality and sexually wise. How many of these girls did you end up rejecting? If the answer is zero, that is something to think about.

I'm paying attention to her actions and responding. Relaxed, having a good time, sharing some laughs.

It starts before that though. I keep in good shape, dress well, have a life, interesting hobbies and career. That has been what has made it easier for me, not repeating dumb lines or rules out of some book. Be an interesting, laid back guy, with a decent sense of humour. Not an insecure dude repeating steps in order to come across a certain way, or approach it from way too much of a transactional standpoint.

simpnuggets34 · 2022-01-13T19:03:50+00:00

I've been following Corey Wayne for around 3 years and I will tell you this, he's a grifter. He changes his opinions to disprove anyone so the book doesn't look wrong. If you follow everything to a T, he will say "The book isn't set and stone dude, stop being a robot". If you don't follow exactly one part of the book right, he will say "You didn't follow the book bro, 10-15 times". If you don't follow anything, such as texting a girl a lot and managed to date her, he will say "Well the book isn't set and stone, you can change it up a bit". He's a salesman, he will gaslight you in order for you to believe everything he says and that the book is right 100% of the time (until you do everything right and it doesn't work).

Women aren't a hivemind, doing everything he says will attract certain type of women, not all of them. I do believe in most of his advice, such as have purpose, be playful, hear your girl out, but I just take his general advice and just wing it in real life.

I remember making a post in the Corey Wayne subreddit saying that my dating life suck and I haven't really made any progress since my last relationship. I was fit, way better social skills, talked to girls in class, took good photos and had a premium account for online dating, followed Corey's advice, and no results. Either the women were not interested or had boyfriends. Their response was to read the book 10-15 times (I've read it like 5 times and I could tell in every newsletter where the dude went wrong, and how to do it right). They really didn't give too much good advice, just to try again and "Idk bro".

Also reading 10-15 times doesn't mean shit too much, it's mostly to indoctrinate people into his little cult (look how much people worship him now and will defend him). I've seen videos of people who read the book 10+ times and doing the most simple mistakes. Read it until you understand and then learn from experience.

An example I can give that his advice won't always work is my previous relationship. I was very needy and asked out my ex for her number. texted her, and then asked her out on a date (she was the first girl I asked out). By the second date, I asked her to be my girlfriend and we dated for almost a year. According to Corey, I should've been friend zoned and rejected, but I got a relationship. How did that happen? Because like Manson says, dating is basically just luck. Dating is a mix of being presentable and luck. What is the difference of me asking the first girl out and dating her, and me asking the 100th girl and dating her? Mostly comes down to luck in finding her. You just need to find a girls who likes you, which is luck.

When it comes to Corey, he acts infallible and will attack anyone who criticizes him. I remember in his first book and videos, he says women who sleep around aren't really long-term relationship material. Fast forward to last year, he made a video about body counts and defended his friends because they slept around and called people incels and redpillers for saying "They belong to the streets" , which is ironic because he says that to women who do the same thing in the newsletters.

Also, he became very arrogant and demeaning, compared to how he was in his first videos. In his first videos, he had a helpful tone and gave more thorough advice. In his new videos, he's an ass who bullies his viewers for an ego stroke, has a smug tone, and gives generic advice like read the book or "She belongs to t he streets". Look at how he shat on you in the second video by saying "Better than you", and then says "I'm busting your balls", he never did that in his older videos. I remember in a older video, he shat on some guy's crush because she dropped calculus, he then says "she's not a smart one for dropping calculus", then corrects himself by saying he took it 4 times in a row. What kind of "self-help coach" would shit on someone who fails and trying to learn?

Corey also believes in quackery, pseudoscience junk. His green juice and PH diet is scientifically false in many ways. He defends "Dr." Robert Young by saying the medical industry was after him, even though he has many scandals. When I commented this is in his video, he banned me (ironic because he shits on the left for the same thing). He supposedly supports health but says you don't need sleep. He says if you have depression, you need feel those thoughts to feel better (as someone who had depression, that's all you feel and one of the things to never do, it can lead someone to suicide if it's severe).

I have a lot to say about him, read my previous posts about him if you want to see more of my criticisms towards him. I will probably have to make a video criticizing most of the stuff he talks about because it's so much to make a post about. I suggest to read his second book and fact-check everything he says in it before you drink his Kool-Aid to see how wrong and questionable he is. DM if you want to talk more about it.

Electrical-Agency-11 · 2022-01-12T17:04:58+00:00

The way you talk about your dates is a bit... off-putting.

For example. You say you "only got a kiss." Presumably you got to know this woman a little? Had an enjoyable afternoon/evening with her before the kiss? Why is the yard stick of the interaction how far you got physically?

Also, did she ask you to pay or did you offer spontaneously? If someone asks for something they have an am obligation to thank you for complying, but if you offer that thing on your own their thanks is entirely extra. It was your choice to pay for everything without her asking.

It's just seems like you have the wrong focus from the get go. Your focused on an outcome not on making a connection and seeing where it leads.

It's so interesting to me how much these self help guys shit on "betas" and "soy boys" etc. When those emotionally intelligent guys often have meaningful relationships and long-term success with women. It turns out finding a romantic partner is just getting to know people who might be interested in you and being vulnerable enough to connect with them plus being physically attracted to one another. Everything else is just bullshit to get money or status.

BlindTheThief15 · 2022-01-13T18:44:37+00:00

I found his first book helpful with solid-general dating advice: know yourself, talk to as many women as possible, ditch the ones who are toxic, be yourself, don't bend your back for her, etc. His old videos are pretty helpful; he seemed like he really liked helping people.

The current Corey Wayne is a jerk who believes he's infallible and all his fans/clients are at fault when they come to him. Followed his advice to a T. and it didn't work out: "you didn't read my book 10-15 bro", "stop being a bitch", "I'm just giving tough love." He flip-flops on whether his book is absolute or just the fundamentals to base of your dating life. You didn't follow his advice and things worked out: "the book isn't set in stone", "the book provides fundamentals", "you don't have to follow it all". He berates his viewers when they make simple mistakes. Geez it's almost like we're human and are prone to make errors.

He's currently trying to become a life coach by discussing network chiropractic care and green juice. He believes in "Dr." Young, a man with scandals. He believes in the alkaline green juice benefits related to your PH levels; there's no scientific evidence in what he preaches. He preaches 5-6 hours of sleep is all you need. He's exposed himself for the quack he truly is.

However, he unintentionally built a cult around his beliefs and teachings. He's never wrong, you're wrong. You criticize him and provide evidence against his belief; he'll delete your YouTube comment, block you, and call you a soy-boy beta-male cuck on video. His hardcore "fans" truly believe "Coach" Corey is always right and can't realize there are times when Corey is wrong.

Ultimately I'm glad he exposed himself before I drank his kool-aid. I'm unsubscribed from his YouTube channel and unfollowed him on IG and Twitter. I'll still read his first book, but supplement it with Manson and Dr. Glover's books as well.

gettingbicurious · 2022-01-24T20:03:50+00:00

You need to relax and focus on making a connection. You're so hyperfixated on doing things "by the book" and that is only ever going to get in your way. From your other comments it sounds like you may have some social anxiety that causes insecurity especially while dating. Consider finding a good therapist to help you work through that because these books and grifter gurus are never the answer. From what I read you seem like an interesting dude, embrace that and stop focusing on potential outcomes and enjoy the moment. Also, stop forcing yourself to pay for everything on the first date lol that's so unnecessary and I say that as a woman. I always go dutch in the beginning and if any woman has a problem with that... well maybe it's good to stop there. In fact, consider doing activity-based dates over dinner or things of that sort. Activity dates are fun, they show if y'all have common interests, if y'all can get along well, and can create fun memories!

EthericAssassin · 2022-03-27T07:14:07+00:00

I used to watch Corey Wayne in highschool. His advice only exacerbates insecurities. Corey makes like it seem like if you do even one thing wrong, women will lose interest in you. His advice really fucked up my self esteem and played on my insecurities and fears. That's why his content is so appealing. It appeals to men who do not believe they are good enough.

rainbowtoucan1992 · 2022-06-28T17:31:14+00:00

I am female but I found his free self-help book boring and all about him (never finished it) and I think guys following his dating advice and idolizing him is kinda cringe. He definitely doesn't understand all women. I remember he had some "beware of the shy and reserved woman" video I saw years ago and he just came across as rude and resentful of those types of women. lol

Rooboo75 · 2022-07-20T10:32:27+00:00

He looks like a talking penis

miyagikai91 · 2022-07-22T12:07:59+00:00

I’ve never felt too great about him and his material. I can feel his smugness.

I also think he’s being weighed down by his baggage from the past.

my-name-isnt-james · 2022-01-16T17:26:09+00:00

I remember watching Corey Wayne back in 2013-2014 and found his content quite helpful. Especially in relation to dating, career, and general life advice. Definitely a grifter these days, probably was back then, but moreso now from what I hear about him.

JayLifeStyle · 2022-02-10T20:54:40+00:00

Corey Wayne ~ discord group add JDlifestyle#8218 on discord to join. If you’re interested in bettering yourself add me.

anonymousparrot3 · 2022-03-30T14:13:49+00:00

You have to incorporate his work as a basic guideline, don’t let it affect who you actually are on a date. I like to keep his core principles as a base and then build from there.

Don’t get stuck in continuous texting conversations, keep it brief with the main goal being to ask her out. If she doesn’t agree, I keep things open but cut contact there. If she reaches out again then same goal as before, ask her out but I don’t chase her until she initiates again.

I just keep dating and having fun. If it lasts long enough for her to grow her attraction for me then she’ll bring up the relationship talk.

In person, just be playful and have fun. I use Corey’s work as a guide to progress things forward but that doesn’t change who I am. Once you’re confident in yourself, you automatically stop neediness and approval seeking behaviour. It becomes subconscious.

Intrepid-Tutor-4933 · 2022-04-12T05:00:27+00:00

Very simply put you didn’t follow what was in the book you sounded controlling and like a robot the complete opposite of what the book actually says to be which is just be yourself and instead of learning from your mistakes you’d rather blame everyone else around you even though you just didn’t ask a basic question correctly so idk how you expected to succeed by sounding like a robot

GrowthLatter · 2022-04-19T07:23:25+00:00

Being your UNAUTHENTIC SELF is a recipe for a disaster in a longterm relationship. That’s why I recommend that if you try Corey’s approach a few times and it feels off to you, don’t continue.

Attraction is an art, not a science, and his style of painting might not be your talent. Don’t take his advice as gospel, and if he says that’s bullshit… well, he’s just another snake oil salesman then.

Various_Bass_7553 · 2022-05-20T17:22:49+00:00

I used to watch PUA stuff back in the day and Corey Wayne’s stuff is very natural by comparison. Incorporate the principles he talks about into your personality, don’t be a mechanical robot though.

Worldly-Giraffe5808 · 2022-06-16T15:37:55+00:00

Some of his material has been really handy for me. I started dating what he would consider a high value woman, good job, good looks and the basics of early dating was really handy. As things progressed I was able to slowly open over time.

I think to summarise his advice, it would be don't be too needy, distance creates attraction and be the best you can be for yourself. Don't take any advise too literally because life just doesn't work by script

AKInvestments · 2022-07-07T02:24:08+00:00

He isn't really red pill

Darksoul08201988 · 2023-01-13T15:18:27+00:00

I met my wife after going through his book 12x. My experience has been good, his advice is more guidelines and how to react to situations that trip men up like don’t fall into the habit of texting to much and being clingy once your in, how to come off as confident, how to handle a breakup, etc. his word isn’t the gospel, nobody’s is but if you go in with the idea that he has good information that is meant to be utilized but is NOT some magic cure all that will get you the girl you will be fine. Models is also a great book as is anything by MM. just knowing that you have the knowledge to handle yourself in a romantic setting was a very freeing realization and knowing that while not every woman will like me, the ones that do and are available and ones I like I am far less likely to screw up. It more just a book that addresses many conman pitfalls men fall into that end up sabotaging their relationships and helps you to know what to do to reduce your margin or error which is really the best we can hope for realistically. However, MM has a very philosophical writing style I enjoy also and would strongly recommend going through his books too. Just make sure you strive to be the best and OWN who you are. For example, I play the electric guitar. By contemporary standards this should be considered “attractive” but I really enjoy playing technical death metal and progressive metal which many girls don’t exactly like (unless the are rocker or goth girls). But I own that shamelessly because it’s what I like and I simply can’t be any other way, inspiration takes precedence. I don’t down other musical styles, but I certainly have my preferences and that’s ok because we all do. Best of luck

EnvironmentalBass138 · 2023-01-16T22:45:06+00:00

I never join into worship cult mentality. But you can't exactly go on dates with a staggering 2 women, them not work out for some unknown reason to you, and then go and blame the guy trying to help you out. First of all, it's quite obvious that you were being too robotic. Even if you weren't concerned about the shit Corey says word for word as some of the other email videos show guys doing, you still focused way too much on her perception of you instead of just showing up to the date and getting it done. This shows insecurity which is probably what they picked up on. This is why it felt like an interview for you. People go into interviews worrying about things that the hiring person doesn't even care about and this causes them to be lackluster in areas that do actually matter. People in interviews are always too afraid to talk themselves up to make themselves look good, but that's the entire point of an interview. But yes, is some aspect dates are essentially interviews, but you went into those interviews caring about the wrong things. I wouldn't care about my voice unless it was obviously some weird shit going on. But I'm not sure what kind of dates you went on, if it was just drinks and a see ya later then and there was zero physical activities then that could be a reason too. My personal rule when I was dating was to make the first date include a physical activity that doesn't involve you sitting at a table facing each other because that only puts the date in "interview" mode. If you are just going to do dinner, then add the physical activity after the fact. For example the girl I'm with now, we went to dinner, it was kinda boring and awkward, though we found some things to talk about, and then I took her bowling, specifically glow bowling. Glow bowling adds the lights and the music so you don't have to talk much. Playfully shit talk her during the game, but don't be a pussy about it. I remember telling my girlfriend that I was going to kick her ass and poked fun at her when I did beat her. It was her suggestion but after bowling we went next door to get ice cream. The point is, dates are to be fun and I think you just took them way too serious and I think you were being way too methodical in so far as how you go about things. And like I said having only applied the shit with 2 women isn't really going to give you a baseline regardless of the topic, that's just science. For all you know you could have simply just dated 2 women that didn't feel an attraction to you, but the 3rd could. You never known. But it's pretty "beta" to just give up after only having went on 2 dates in all fairness. Now, if you have been on 100 dates and it down and still couldn't get nothing, then I'd say there's something to be said about Corey, or something you're just not telling us.

I also notice you focus way too much on the "is this beta or alpha?". I wouldn't be worried about bringing up a specific topic. You stumbled over bringing a topic up because you were worried it was "beta", meanwhile that exact choice was "beta" in nature. If you want to talk about something you should just talk about it with confidence. Obviously there are certain things you shouldn't talk about and that's just common sense, like politics, etc.

But I'm not going to lie, some people I've seen in his comment section are idiots and treat it almost like a religion, so you aren't wrong in that aspect. And I do like that you're diversifying where you get info from, because that's just simply a good thing to do, never put your eggs in one basket.

I'm sure you've been there and done that but 2 I would avoid is Rich aka "Entrepreneurs in cars" and Rollo Tomassi. Rollo isn't too bad, he's got some good points, but his content is just very repetitive with an expanded vocabulary so everyone thinks he's smarter than he really is. I'd just listen to his basic stuff, if you watch one video/stream you've seen them all. Rich is just an annoying rich guy that shows off his cars too much, and tries teaching you some diet fad that consists of you eating $150 worth of food per day and is of the "she's not yours it's just your turn" crowd. He's ok with the "get your ass in gear" talks but apart from that his relationship advice is shit. I get Corey occasionally talks about his juicing thing and that is an expensive getup but Rich takes the cake.

Title	My experience with Corey Wayne
Author	Electrical-Agency-11
Upvotes	18
Comments	59
Date	January 12, 2022 3:32 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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