You guys come here with your very redpill thoughts.. to an ex redpill forum…. And then argue and gaslight people that make sense… but are opposing of your STILL redpill views.

rumpots420 · 2022-05-10T17:01:45+00:00

I think the point of this place is they aren't exrp yet. They come here to get exrp, but you have to break through to them when they get here, which is hard.

2022-05-10T17:50:35+00:00

Don’t you think if you were truly ex redpill, you wouldn’t be so triggered by some of the responses?

Just want to add that it's not easy to unlearn something once you learn it.

I-Killed--Mufasa · 2022-05-10T21:19:55+00:00

I think its hard for people to let go of such ingrained points of view, they will probably never go away completely.

Even for myself some views or opinions from TRP might never full leave me , even with me wanting to.

Also with any online forum, gonna be trolls or people trying to recruit people to their opinion/side

2022-05-11T01:58:28+00:00

I'm new to this subreddit and haven't seen many posts on here yet, however you pretty much described the entire philosophy of the men in the Red Pill community.

It's a bunch of insecure men all congregating together and having a pity party for themselves while being unnecessarily hostile toward anyone who contradicts their views so I'm not surprised that some people like that would show up here.

You got the right to feel frustrated by the simple fact is you can't make someone listen to you even if you're telling them the truth. If they want to stay in their old ways and don't want to change then that's their problem.

2022-05-10T16:18:25+00:00

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incredulitor · 2022-05-10T17:10:35+00:00

Obvious guesses as to how to read this post are as either: a rant/vent, a mildly aggressive/aversive attempt to get people to change who seem not to want to, or a bid to people who would agree to pile on. I'm sure those are not the only possibilities, but between them or others I don't really know how to take it.

As a reader, it can be kind of surprising to see a post like this, because what it specifically is not doing is addressing the people whose words brought it up. I get that it can be frustrating to deal with people who are deeply ambivalent, conflicted, and in some cases can come off as help-rejecting. That's the work though. When I look at your post history, I'm not sure that you're meeting people here where they're at, and not being in a place to do that at every moment you show up is not the same thing as people gaslighting you. Coming here (or anywhere) and telling people things like that they're "thirsty" or "vain", engaging in gender essentialism, and returning to conversations where you've already been more than forward about not liking the other person or their contributions are not constructive steps. I'm sure there's part of you that wants to help and feels like by showing up and offering any words or presence at all, you're offering something that wasn't required and making an attempt to move things in the right direction. I believe in that. I also see you offering words that seem specifically likely to provoke a negative emotional response in the people you're talking to. When someone responds negatively to that, they are not gaslighting you.

mykidisonhere · 2022-05-11T13:38:40+00:00

There are some evangelical properties to red pill. It's an echo chamber that encourages each other to get other guys to open their eyes and take the red pill. We'd get guys on the divorce subreddit actively recruiting members.

I think some guys come here with the intention of pulling guys back in. They are bad faith actors.

But that's only some. I think you're discounting how much it takes to unlearn a toxic mindset like this one. Also, many of your comments here aren't helpful at all.

Mriconicdev · 2022-05-10T20:35:50+00:00

Honestly, I think there are good and bad ideas with red pill I don’t agree with most of it but I also don’t disagree with it all either. I think it takes a level of discerning, maturity and ZERO red pill rage to really look at objectively.

OddPreparation3247 · 2022-05-12T15:15:31+00:00

you want advice but then when someone’s got a response that isn’t “awe poor >baby it’s okay to be short or it’s okay to be whatever your insecurity is” …. >When people aren’t coddling you…. You get defensive. Which again…. Is your >insecurity attacking the truth. You don’t want advice or you’d be open to all >of it. You want coddling. You don’t want the solutions people offer, you want >a pity party and self loathing and you wanna argue.

I, personally, am glad for every young man who still has it in himself and tries on and on to escape TRP. I will always respect a man who tries. Ya know, it IS okay to be short, to have insecurities, to not be wealthy. It really is. And it is okay to seek some validation when you are down. Perhaps men need more coddling instead of this man-up propaganda (because it worked so well in the past :)). Every man here chose to come to a group called "exredpill" for a reason. Trolling? Perhaps, but hell, this is the Internet. Perhaps some people here do not seek generic "advice" or "solutions", but freedom from nagging, dark worldview that makes them unhappy and that is why they come back. I know I do.

Don’t you think if you were truly ex redpill, you wouldn’t be so triggered by some of the responses?

Yes, I get triggered sometimes. And I am probably not truly ex redpill by your standards. So what should I do now? Give up? Where would you direct me then?

This isn’t ex redpill it’s redpill gaslighting.

TBH no one here implied that I am insane or losing my mind. Gaslighting means making you question your own senses. This word gets really overused.

LOTEZK · 2022-05-10T21:18:31+00:00

I have a feeling this Reddit is just as dangerous as any RP-themed social media account.

The goal is to be no-pill. Or at least do-what-makes-sense-in-your-life-and-don’t-ever-look-back-pill.

Training_Passenger79 · 2022-05-10T23:59:24+00:00

Let’s try to maybe understand a bit of the psychology going on here? Perhaps then we can be more effective.

Let’s assume those people actually genuinely want to change. (I believe they do, because I’ve never seen more miserable people than sexists. It’s a dark way to live.)

Hypothetically, why would someone who genuinely wants to change come here and act like that? If they want to change, they should be open to advice on how to do so.

Possibly, it could be that the reason they resort to coming here is because they are at a particularly difficult place in their life/head, and they need an answer. It might be that they don’t even know what they’re looking for. It may even be that, sometimes, they’re actually just looking for someone to listen to them for a change, and in the back of their mind maybe they realize that if they keep using TRP as place to find people to relate to their feelings, it will inevitably destroy them.

So it could be that when they finally woke up to the poison that TRP really is, they realized they can’t keep seeking solace there. Yet the need to seek solace and feel heard didn’t disappear. That would have been the deep sense of need that made them victimizeable by red pill to begin with. Red pill was their emotional drug, and red pill continuously told them that nobody would be kind to them or understand them outside of their red pill brethren.

Now they understand that TRP has been ruining their lives and they have no where else to turn. They’re afraid to go back, but also, afraid to move forward on the off chance that everything TRP told them might be true.

So do they still believe those things? Yes and no, I think. I think they realize they’re wrong, but I think they realize there’s an element of truth to them as well, and they simply don’t know how or where to draw the line between what is true and what is a lie.

That’s fair, actually. A lot of the arguments red pill makes starts on observations of human behavior that a person can see for themselves in the real world. That’s where the truth ends and the lies begin, because red pill twists and manipulated information to persuade the victim of a dogma that is not only wrong, but often the complete opposite of what is right.

It’s similar to the way an abusive partner will gaslight you into believing the worst of yourself and feeling paranoid towards anyone else in your life that loves you, while simultaneously trying their damndest to cut your ties to everything that links you to the rest of humanity.

That is what TRP does.

This is just one possibility. There are many possibilities. Perhaps some of these people are motivated by the desire to simply humiliate the people that post here. However, I think it’s reasonable to assume that a percentage of them are not.

To what degree does a person need to forsake their past until we agree that they have “changed”? Is change something that definitive?

Your belief, maybe, is that people have changed when they start taking advice on how to grow out of what they were…but on the other hand, there are plenty of people who will flatter you while they let you talk and then laugh at how stupid you are for trying.

So maybe their willingness to listen to your advice isn’t so much a metric as to how much progress they’ve made, as it’s a measurement of how developed their social skills are. Just a thought.

I do absolutely understand your frustration, because I feel it too. I also feel frustrated by the seeming lack of a desire to own up to your flaws, admit your mistakes, and try to grow as a person. It’s childish - and yeah - it gets under my skin when adults act like that. It also feels like such a waste of time when you try to help someone who is determined to simply fight you tooth and nail because they’re too afraid to change their views (possibly) because they think they are simply a victim of everything in life and by doing anything remotely close to empathizing or self-reflecting, the mean, nasty world will just victimize them even more.

But, I think it’s quite possible, too, that sometimes when you respond to these people you’re not really looking at them like a real person who has real feelings like you do, but as an archetype of a persona you’ve learned to hate because the red pill did that to us all.

When you talk about these people, it doesn’t sound like you’re talking about an individual. It sounds like you’re talking about a stereotype. Especially since some of that characterization implies what they are motivated by, when in all honesty, you don’t actually know their motivations, feelings, or where they are truly coming from. You’re assuming you’re right based on experiences you’ve had from a group of people that you read into and generalized.

That’s not a criticism though - because everyone does that by default. It is inevitable. But I just want to point out, here, that’s what TRP does. It objectifies women and reads intentions into the way they speak or respond to situations, and then judges the group based on their interpretation of what certain behaviors must mean. What those women must think or feel…not actually in their own words - but in TRP’s twisted, deluded version of those words.

I honestly think that shaming TRP, and the behaviors it promotes is appropriate. I’m all for hating the movement - it destroyed the US. It’s the reason so many men are driven to suicide, from what I can see. I think it’s not bad to make people feel ashamed for the bad things they used to think or do, either, because I, myself, had to recover from sexism - and I needed to learn to hate that old version of who I was. That was an important step to finding the motivation not to ever be that person again. I still hate the person I was, and it is still so easy, sometimes, to fall back into old patterns of thinking.

But at the same time - there’s a world of difference for applying judgement and shame to immoral behavior and willful ignorance…and applying shame to a person’s intrinsic character, worthiness, or value.

If you tell someone that they, themselves, as a person, are less than and unworthy because their behavior shows that they are broken, dysfunctional, or otherwise screwed…well you’re not helping. You’re basically doing the same thing to them that TRP men have been doing to them for most of their lives.

What needs to happen is that the person needs to realize that they’re better than that. They are worth saving. They’re worth fighting for. They were victims of red pill, and that exredpill is on the side of those that survived it. They should feel like they can talk about what red pill did to them, and they’re not going to feel that way if they think the second they open their mouths, we’re going to attack them for who they ARE (not what red pill has done).

an_altar_of_plagues · 2022-05-10T16:07:17+00:00

I'm confused. Exredpill people posting comments telling people things contrary to what the redpill believes is actually still redpill? And the people who comment more redpill-aligning things are the ones telling the "truth"?

Bold move, nephew.

olivertheterrible · 2022-05-10T18:24:39+00:00

You seem triggered. Calm down. This is not an echo chamber but a place to have a conversation and sometimes multiple conversations as changing one’s perspective takes time.

whatdaheckk98 · 2022-05-11T08:31:07+00:00

For me, having the extremely intense arguments are necessary for minds to change. A single argument will not change them. Nor will 2 or 3 big ones. For the ones that are really really deep in redpill, they need a LOT of arguing to get the gears rolling. AS LONG AS everyone is being respectful and making their points clear and backing them up.

2022-05-11T14:29:09+00:00

All the triggered motherfuckers trying to tell me I’m unhelpful and I’m this and I’m that… I don’t give a fuck, your trigger is showing. If you feel triggered or this upsets you, you should probably take it up with yourself not me. I’m not gonna change my mind and what I said is what I said.

I knew this post would upset people but I didn’t think that the very people that I was talking about in the post would show themselves so quickly.

If you came here to change, truly change. You want to, you’re willing to put the work in….

I commend you. I recognize that it will be hard but I also recognize what you do to yourself, you can undo. If the desire is truly there.

As I’m understanding it, this space is sometimes used as a place for people to talk you off the redpill su*cide ledge. And people should be gentle and encouraging. I get that to an extent.

It’s supposed to be a place where you can discuss the redpill thoughts with hopes that people can gently show you how wrong it is. But you know it’s wrong, that’s why you’re here…… some of you post things that have nothing at all to do with ex redpill. And then there are the obvious trolls……

But, people here.. and posters… also should never dance around and avoid the truth because sometimes the suicide of a certain part of your mind… like the redpill part, is needed. Maybe… correctly timed… unsugarcoated truth is the right dosage for the death to occur. That’s all I’m saying.

Drougen · 2022-05-10T18:28:01+00:00

You don't know what you're talking about

WhoDoomsTheDoomer · 2022-05-10T15:47:47+00:00

What's wrong with wanting to be coddled? It's nice

RevolutionaryCar789 · 2022-05-29T03:39:46+00:00

This is weird, but it feels like you're hate-fucking this subreddit. It's almost like you couldn't hang with a regular redpill forum (ex: r/freshandfit) because they will beat you with gate filled experience so you come to a less aggressive version of that sub and try to vent on here.

If you want an echo chamber go back to that sex worker subreddit or back to Twitter well you can find melting pot of bitterness towards red pill or even men in general.

You just don't come across as trying to help people leave that philosophy.

If you want to argue with people, I'm sure the adopted sons of Myron wouldn't mind entertaining you.