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UK considering making it criminal to cat call women. (My take: gee, you couldn’t holler at another minority and everyone say it’s ok…)

pathalienation

December 5, 2021
371 upvotes
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10273873/Government-seeks-outlaw-cat-calling-women-street.html
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Title UK considering making it criminal to cat call women. (My take: gee, you couldn’t holler at another minority and everyone say it’s ok…)
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pathalienation

Upvotes 371
Comments 23
Date December 5, 2021 8:11 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/r9b0rr/uk_considering_making_it_criminal_to_cat_call/
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[–]discoveringlibertyFDS Newbie 165 points166 points167 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Considering they voted against making misogyny a hate crime, I think this is unlikely.

[–]munakhtylerFDS Newbie 118 points119 points120 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We need a woman only government.

Men back in the kitchen!

[–]IndividualRoutine661FDS Newbie 107 points108 points109 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I really hope this happens but the current U.K. government is no friend of women so won’t hold my breath.

[–]Davina33FDS Disciple 74 points75 points76 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yep Boris Johnson is a misogynist himself. I don't see it happening.

[–]IndividualRoutine661FDS Newbie 65 points66 points67 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A misogynist with a history of groping women, currently married to someone ages with his daughter. He’s textbook LVM

[–]Davina33FDS Disciple 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally. He left his wife Marina, who was battling cancer for Carrie. He is so disgusting, not to mention he is homophobic, Islamophic and racist. I can't believe my fellow Brits voted for him.

[–]eatchickpeasFDS Newbie 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if men were the target of relentless catcalling it would carry a 1 year jail sentence lol

[–]Platipus6FDS Apprentice 93 points94 points95 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can't cat-call, but can rape and we have to keep the baby. What a time to be alive. It's almost as if they're fucking with us.

[–]IndividualRoutine661FDS Newbie 70 points71 points72 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tbf abortion is still available in the U.K., probably because our PM is in the habit of impregnating random young women.

[–]luvmyvulvaxoxoFDS Disciple 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the UK. Other developed nations don’t have issue with abortion.

I swear the only reason the US is considered developed is because of our top 3%. Most of our countrymen are so fucking backwards.

[–]CactiAndFungiThrowaway Account 60 points61 points62 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

They don't want to have to deal with crimes against girls and women such as child marriage, forced marriage, FGM, grooming/rape gangs that target indigenous British schoolgirls, and honor killings, because these crimes are disproportionately committed by minority "Asian" (read: Pakistani male Muslim) perpetrators, making it much more politically charged. They'll keep throwing girls and women under the bus not to he called racists or xenophobes.

[–]Lavender998 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true. The UK government also actively defends the perpetrators. Which isn't surprising when you consider there are rapist pedophiles in government positions.

[–]TMac0601FDS Newbie -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Indigenous British school girls"? Maybe I am missing something. What does this mean?

[–]CactiAndFungiThrowaway Account 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ethnically British (white) schoolgirls. In these cases, the Pakistani offenders targeted lower-class white British girls, partially because they believed them to be "whores," and partially because Pakistani girls were too inaccessible to them (Islamic culture seriously restricts or prohibits the autonomy of Muslimahs in general, and unlike British girls, British Pakistani girls are typically kept under a very close, strict watch by their families and their communities).

[–]Ok-Performance5997FDS Newbie 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

As much as I theoretically would like something like this, how do you actually enforce this? How do you actually convict any one of catcalling?

[–]creamtart_FDS Apprentice 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like all laws related to women that are made to appease the public (read: shut women up), it will just become words on paper that police rarely (if ever) enforce.

[–]MuffcakelordFDS Disciple 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

By just pretending for a moment that women are human. When someone says "hey bitch-" imagine it the same way as if they yelled the n-word towards a POC, when they yell "wanna do xyz with me?" Consider it a threat, as it is. When for a moment disregaring the lies about catcalling being anything but oppression, harassment and threatening of a minority, a way to renind them who's in charge, entitled, and capable of hurting said minority, it's pretty simple to imagine how we enforce this.

Witnesses will be asked if it's true that they said this and that and the criminal will be charged to pay the woman money and possibly get a restraining order, maybe they get written into a database of misogynists? Sexism should be as illegal as racism is and we should make sexism more punishable as well

[–]Ok-Performance5997FDS Newbie 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s not the question I asked. Your answer suggested I didn’t agree that catcalling isn’t harassment or that harassment of women isn’t worthy of prosecution.

My problem here is that you likely won’t be able to convict most cat-callers for catcalling. Witnesses alone is not enough to do so, witnesses misremember or make shit up. That’s not solid evidence. You’d have to have a recording of it, but how likely will that be?

[–]MuffcakelordFDS Disciple 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry i must have been unclear; i meant "we" as a society don't see women as human yet, and they legally aren't (for real) so what i'm saying is by illegalizing sexism against women, women get the same kind of legal social status as POC in at least one sense. (I don't imply that POC have it easier than women as a group, but i'm saying misogyny is not at all as taboo as racism at the moment, so sorry for my cluttery writing.) It's not a lot, but it's a light shift in thinking. I'll try to explain how i think it will work:

It's hard to gather evidence of sexism or racism related crimes, but it's more frowned upon when it's illegal by law. When something's more frowned upon, people are more likely disagreeing of it, leading to more witnesses being more eager to help in the relevant cases. This is the most important change in any lawmaking, i think.

The cases that leads to actual punishment would likely be the cases where violence or other more escalated crimes happen, something that's a tiny bit easier to prove, both because it's taken slightly more seriously + it leaves actual marks. Even violence is hard to punish and it rarely happens, but if catcalling is legally considered, the criminal would be more likely to receive punishment (and a greater one at that) if there's any proof. Enough witnesses is valid proof in some cases depending on the system, and many women and POC have learned to gather audio/video-proof in secret whenever they feel threathened. I've seen many videos by women lately where they got catcalling/stalking/harassment recorded on video, with misogynistic slurs etc. In these cases the criminal wouldn't just get a warning and maybe a restriction order, they'd get actual punishment, or at least so i imagine.

So the answer to how any person-on-person crime is ever proved is; witnesses, audio/video recording, and saved phone/text-conversations. I know people who never got justice for violence that left them sick for life, despite witnesses and video recordings. It's not at all easy to get justice as a regular person with little power, but illegalizing catcalling would mean that people see it differently AND it's a small chance that victims can get justice if they record it or have enough witnesses for a case that escalated beyond just catcalling. We see a lot of drama regarding police brutality because POC are more likely to record their interactions with them now, for example, and it's valid proof in court. It's the only proof i can think of that would definitely help victims of catcalling in any system that illegalize it.

[–]modernmedusaaRuthless Strategist 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I don’t feel catcalling is the top of our priorities right now

Likewise I don’t think ‘man spreading’ is either

Wtf is that going to do when only 1.6% of rape cases make it to court in the U.K.

The law isn’t fit for purpose - it’s just there to pretend it’s protecting us when realistically it isn’t

It’s a thin veneer

Until misogyny is made a crime & they go after the sexist porn industry and these manosphere training camps/ online pedo rings….nothing will change

Reddit has tons of abusive disgusting violent material waged at woman & doesn’t do shit

There’s tons of porn videos showing women being forced into anal prolapse or choked

But they apparently care about us being catcalled….okay

And it makes me wonder if they’re doing this deliberately - to make a mockery of our suffering…

Or whether it’s done out of ignorance / class privilege

Bc some random Joe shouting ‘hey sexy’ is the least of my troubles right now

We have much more pressing issues

Like the manosphere training hoards of men to abuse us online & making loser pick up artists 50 x more entitled

Or women being injected with date rape drugs in clubs

Or women being murdered by male cops when walking home at night

Or troubled young girls being encouraged into OnlyFans and sex work bc they come from poverty/ abuse/ have mental issues

Or young girls being groomed into BDSM by porn addict perverts on Tinder

Or single mother’s being expected to pick up the slack for their broke lazy baby father

Or girls being encouraged into one night stands with violent men who may later kill them

Or men preying on mentally ill women trying to drain them of resources & sanity

Or men raping / abusing several women off dating apps and getting away with it

Or teenage girls being stabbed in broad daylight by other males

But no they want to focus on random Joe’s making stupid comments in public - yeah that’ll solve it

[–]today_years_old_ -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

"Young girls being groomed into BDSM by porn addict perverts on Tinder"

This one 👆. When I expressed my concern about this, to one of male and female colleagues, they retorted by name calling and personal insults lol What worse is, this male colleague said that since its becoming difficult for men in feminism era to dominate and humiliate women, so the only chance men are able to exert dominance and control is through BDSM. (he emphasised on western men since he thinks men dominance/control are "naturally" practiced in third world counties). And then when I went to read the psychology behind why some ppl (specially men) engage/seek DS, it all become clear to me.

[–]Sunshine_Daisies2525FDS Newbie 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You do know Women of Color exist, though, right? The wording of your post is problematic.

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