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[–]801735109 points110 points111 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not bad at all. Imo good summary. Tnx for effort to author.
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[–][deleted] 39 points40 points41 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
1+ Moderators, take notice!
[–]keltsbeard23 points24 points25 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'll second this motion.
[–]panzerbier8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thirded - this is actually a very useful disambiguation for the many strains of the manosphere.
Only slight disagreement I have is that you can very easily tell this was done by a MGTOW since this group gets 5/5 on TRP knowledge/acceptance while Redpillers get much lower scores. Not sure that's fair.
[–]letsriseup2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's because MGTOWs completely sever any need for female validation.
TRPs are still bounded by the need for female validation so will never achieve the type of mental freedom that MGTOWs experience.
I will always place MGTOWs at the top because no other category in the manosphere gives less of a fuk than they do.
[–][deleted] 74 points75 points76 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fucking hilarious and on point.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Indeed. Especially that last one. A frat-boy, does not an alpha male make.
[–]Amnesia250830 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
After 'Hold Frame' actually 'Holding the frame' should be listed under Main Issues for the TRP'ers.
[–]Woshi-Wumao15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Forgot lifting. You gotsta lift the frame before you can hold it.
[–]ManIsWalking7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How about we frame some weights so you can hold frame while you lift!
[–]booty_warrior4201 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Whats TRP?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lifting frames of red pills
[–]Fyodor0073 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The red pill
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/r/theredpill/
[–]MGTOWIAN30 points31 points32 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Just missing true conservatives who live in the barn for half the day.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The Amish? If there is ever a system with men and women together that's nearly perfect, it's the Amish. Women MUST be virgins before marriage or they're ostracized, women CAN'T cheat, or they're banished, they work all day and serve the husband and family, no whining, no complaining, etc.. just bible reading..
Watch the documentaries on Channel 4 about the British/American Amish exchange.
[–]MGTOWIAN21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but they are fucking retarded not using any "machines." They don't even go to a proper dentist and most have their teeth pull out.
[–]Secret_Combo14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah the no dentist stuff is pretty stupid, but most Amish have enough common sense to go to the doctor if there's a major health concern.
[–]Woshi-Wumao3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
have their teeth pull out.
Better than cunts spending 14 hours a day basking in the glow of an iPhone.
[–]Misinglink157 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Not sure about the Amish...I know Mgtow's are disappointed with females and their true nature, but i believe the Amish have beem known for their physical abuse towards them.
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[–]ManIsWalking8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What we call abuse today was called discipline yesterday.
[–]Woshi-Wumao5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women actually love abuse and thrive under it. Observe what they do, not what they say.
There's a thin line between abuse and discipline.
[–]Pellaeon_redpill24 points25 points26 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd say it's a pretty good chart, though it could use some minor adjustments.
I would say that MGTOW and MRM should have their main concerns switched. Mrm is too steeped in Gynocentrism to comprehend it, but they are very focused on the government. Meanwhile, MGTOW recognizes that many/most of society's problems stem from Gynocentrism. While the government is one avenue where this manifests, corporations and white knights are also sources of enforcing Gynocentrism.
I would also add feminism to the issues of MRM and tradcons, as they are obssessed with it. Further, I would add MGTOW to anti-feminists' and tradcons' main issues. They are constantly obsessing over how to get MGTOW back on the plantation.
Good points!
[–]hello420020 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
I dont think the incel group is that bad
[–]Argosy3738 points39 points40 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
The problem with Incels is that despite "giving up" on women, they still orient their entire lives around them. Incels need to recognize that they're actually lucky they can't get women (they didn't get trapped into marriage, child support, etc.). To be happy they need to be constructive and focus on building a life they desire without complaining "woe is me" all the time.
Incels can transition to MGTOW once they fully absorb this.
[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
one of my coworkers from awhile back was a total incel. hideously ugly, a ginger, crooked yellow rotting teeth, but one of the nicest guys u could ever meet. his whole life women found him repulsive, so for sex, he just banged hookers. by age 22 he had his own car and had already put a downpayment on a house. to cope with his loneliness he just smoked a ton of weed and played video games. whether he knew it or not, he got maximum value out of the shitty hand he was dealt in life. his financial success is 100% due to the fact that he had no hope of ever getting a girlfriend.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
I read the incels sub quite a bit. They really can't transition to mgtow because they have never experienced what women do to men, to make them go mgtow in the first place.
I think if you claim to be mgtow, but have never had actual intercourse/oral, you are at best a form of volcel.
[–]Argosy3726 points27 points28 points 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I would have to disagree. One doesn't need to directly experience the effects of something to know it's a really bad idea. For example, one can read about the horrors of communism and want to avoid it without actually having lived in a communist regime. The fear of communism may be a little more acute if you formerly lived in a communist country, but it's still perfectly reasonable to hold this view regardless.
The same concept applies to MGTOW in regards to women. A man can hear from other men about how they have been divorce-raped, manipulated by women, etc. without needing to experience it for oneself. Based on that knowledge, it would seem extremely wise to avoid women. Of course a MGTOW who has personal experience with the manipulations of women might hold this belief a little more strongly (and perhaps know better how to avoid the manipulations of women). However, it's still perfectly valid to be a MGTOW regardless of personal experience.
[–]Woshi-Wumao0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link
You're arguing that logic can trump emotion and hard-wired instinct that's been bred into men over millions of years. I'd argue that 9 times out of 10, logic will ultimately lose that fight; that the only weapon that stands a reasonable chance is cold, hard, first-hand experience.
One can read that fire is hot, but they'll never truly know the score until they stick their hands in the flame. Until then, they're prone to misjudgment of such matters, especially under circumstances of high emotional stress/manipulation.
[–]Shinkao9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
This is such bullshit. No I don't need first hand experience, stop bloating yourself up. This is one of the most aggravating logical fallacies out there. I don't need experience as a cook to know if a steak is overcooked to death.
I don't have to be divorce-raped to be able to do a simple risk/reward assessment and realize the system is stacked against me so I opt out of marriage for good. Because
1) I'm not a woman so I can use logic and approach thinks from a thinking man's standpoint and
2) I'm still capable of empathy, so putting myself in the shoes of the thousands of men who got fucked by women/the system can lead me to a conclusion as well.
[–]Woshi-Wumao-2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
I don't need experience as a cook to know if a steak is overcooked to death.
No, but you must have eaten some steaks. Merely reading a cookbook won't do you much good if you're a life-long vegetarian who's never tasted meat.
I don't have to be divorce-raped to be able to do a simple risk/reward assessment
No, but you're much more likely to put your logic aside and go with the flow if some woman ever starts pretending to be your unicorn and seemingly defying your logic. Can't very well call yourself a unicorn slayer if you've never slain a unicorn; theoretical book smarts doesn't an expert make.
Look... would you trust a steak chef who's never tasted meat? Of course not. Would you trust a unicorn slayer who's never slain a unicorn? Of course not. Would you trust a helicopter "pilot" who's never flown a helicopter or a "surgeon" who's never performed surgery? OF COURSE NOT.
Why not?
The answer to that 'why', is same reason why you shouldn't try rationalizing such double-standards for yourself.
No I don't need first hand experience, stop bloating yourself up.
Lol. Tell that to the next pilot, or surgeon, or soldier you see. They'll get a good laugh at your expense. If anyone here's bloating themselves up, it's you.
[–]Shinkao7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Oh fuck off, stop projecting your weakness onto other people. No I'm not falling for a unicorn lmao. Listing stuff, where experience does actually matter also doesn't fix your broken argument. Keep on moving that goalpost.
There's also more than one way to come to the conclusion that women aren't worth it. But hey, keep telling yourself that only 50+ year olds who have ben jobless because of women quotas and divorce-raped and have also lost a child to a women are the only ones who "truly get it man".
Fuck off.
[–]Malefics2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why on earth would a man walk into a trap knowing it's a trap? For "experience"? Are you telling me that I should go jump in a shark tank, knowing it's dangerous to do so, just so I can get "experience"? That is just illogical, risky, and dangerous.
[–]Shinkao1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Uhm, what? Are you replying to the other guy? Where did my comment even go? Dafuq
[–]Woshi-Wumao1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Triggered much? Jesus, you really need a hard look in the mirror...
I'm under 30. Never been married. Never had a kid (to my knowledge). And because I haven't done those things, I freely admit that I'm more likely to fuck up on such fronts, precisely because I'm inexperience with them.
Rather than telling you to "fuck off" in kind, I'll suggest you learn some humility, and maybe read up on the Dunning–Kruger effect so you can stop overestimating yourself.
[–]Shinkao4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Or maybe you're projecting your weakness and lack of resolve onto others. No way to prove either, so bye bye.
[–]Cristoff131 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It depends how high your sex drive and also how romantic you are (e.g. tendency to develop crushes). I'm as aromantic as heck, never felt a single romantic impulse since I was 12 years old. My sex drive has also always been lower than average and is now very low.
[–]Woshi-Wumao2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not romantic at all, but I do like having a couple of orgasms everyday, preferably with women. I'm getting better at shifting my sex drive toward porn though; I often pass up sex for days or even weeks at a stretch now. Hope to get that into the months so I can be even freer of my biological urges.
[–]CadeyrnDragheim1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If they're incel i can bet that some women treated them badly, it's just that they can't accept it and move on. Tbh i'm starting to think they're masochistic and like the pain.
[–]dualizer0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have not experienced it myself, but I know so many people who could tell me loads of stories from their own experiences or experiences of friends...
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are because for all the impotent rage they spew online..in real life they are hopeless beta orbiters that women manipulate. They would die for a whiff of a queef. Gross.
Yeah, but they’re pretty sad
[–]DarwinianKEKistani18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Lol the redpillers aka puas are metrosexuals
[–]Takakazu_Kinashi3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All committed PUAs are bi.
[–]civicsr2cool1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't matter had sex.
[–]Exclz13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So black pillers are involuntary celibates? Can someone explain
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[–]Woshi-Wumao0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Meh, I've been hijacking the term 'black pill' for my own purposes; those incel cunts don't deserve it.
I too thought this inclusion was odd.
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[–]Pacifist1129 points30 points31 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A slave asking it's master not to hit/enslave it anymore.
[–]moneygtow2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, that's a man hitting a woman (notice the boobs)
[–]hammerspeaketh11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cracked me up
[–]retraderat9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
incels as subhumans lmfao...
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a wannabe tradcon, the smile on his face kills me on the inside
[–]Gobc4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very objective description and summation of the following groups. Well done!
[–]moneygtow6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for posting!
[–]dickbuttspleasure5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“Men going there own way” the picture used looks like a bunch of blue pill DnD guys. I
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[–]NietzscheExplosion3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did you make this? Perfect for the ADD generations.
[–]BloodyNightWing4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
REEEEEEEEEs incoming from the red pill subs.
[–]Amnesia25082 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
AIDS Skrillex in the howwwse!
[–]TheNoncaringMurse3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like how you described the red pillers
[–]SlyScientist3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Logged in just to upvote this masterpiece. Bravo.
[–]throwawaypsycho802 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty accurate
So true and funny at the same time haha
sidebar material
This should be stickied.
[–]Adriansun2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This chart is good. Keep it up and expand it if you can.
[–]jamesbwbevis2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lmao
[–]TakeYourDailyDose2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Truthful and worth a good chuckle to boot.
As someone else mentioned, I'd probably switch the main issues for MGTOW and MRAs, but it's a very minor issue.
[–]crnext2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You guys see that grey line between the MRA's and MGTOW?
Yeah.
That's where I am. I really don't want to hate womyn, but when the first one you ever met was abusive because you reminded her every day of the "spineless SOB that abandoned her"
(no mention of us kids)
then its really difficult not to feel like they all fucking hate you.
[–]xkulp82 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't know about the "standing around other men playing video games" pic. I'm more like this.
[–]DarwinianKEKistani0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Post some other photos or your "expeditions" sometimes
[–]ColdStoryBro1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Did you make this? Because the black pill ideology extends beyond the incel community. From my understanding Mgtow stops before religion and politics but the black pill takes on those topics and aims to expose the hard truths of life beyond relationships. I don't criticize it because I don't want to look like that idiot that insults mgtow who obviously has no idea or a warped idea of what it is.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
To be fair, I don't know that much about incel, but I do know they often refer to themselves as black pillers, and black pill represents some sort of bleak vision of the future. It's a pretty understandable view, considering their...depression.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So Purple Pill is mix of Red and Bluepill. But what about Blackpill? I didn't know the pharmacy had grown.
[–]civicsr2cool0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Black pill = feelsbadman.jpg
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[–]Actanonverba111 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty good summary. Saving this.
So do I.
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You can still be MGTOW and interact with women. You just go into it with the understanding of how the system really works and do what you can to minimize potential pitfalls i.e. using condoms, getting snipped, pump & dumps, using escorts, etc. The beauty of MGTOW is that it's an ideology that can pretty much go from purple pill/weaker TRP (you don't treat the number of women you "hit" as notches on your belt) to full blown monk status (minimal to no interaction with women at all). A good rule of thumb for not crossing the MGTOW line back to the plantation is don't procreate and never cohabitate.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
MGTOW fellas standing around enjoying existence.
I enjoyed reading that chart.
[–]robowriter1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice job. The incel group probably includes legions of average looking broke young guys and wage slaver older guys. The 80 percent.
[–]Cabshear1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice, I'll print this as reference card, laminate it and hold on to it for safe keeping.
Amazing work! Great summary and i like the pack mule for trad cons!!!!
[–]angry-liberal1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"Stress-related illness" "Combat death"
What?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can't understand what the "combat death" means.
[–]Dank_Meems1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LOL The Red Pill Actual is gold, m8.
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[–]civicsr2cool0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
What is the red pill acceptance section about? Going by these categories I'm a traditional conservative turned antifeminist that wants to go full MGTOW. I'm really not sure where the acceptance denial is in the antifeminist side of it becaue that's what brought me this far down the rabbit hole.
Also top fucking notch on this 👌
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's sort of like how much you are putting it into practice, or acting rationally from the information.
If you get a PhD in physics, you have a high level of knowledge about physics. However if you maintain that the Earth is flat and that gravity doesn't exist, your acceptance of physics would be low/nil.
Regarding antifeminists, as noted in the chart they do have some RP knowledge. However, they deploy this knowledge to profit off of vulnerable men rather than actually internalizing it themselves. For example, Lauren Southern would be hard pressed to agree with any of AWALT, or to actually push for any laws or norms to change for men. They are not sorry, only sorry that they got caught, and are now simply playing the game in the other direction.
Very well. I'd argue that anti feminist category should have half or a whole pill though just based on some of them like Gavin mcinnes, Ben Shapiro, and Milo yiannopolis. They definitely profit from just attacking feminism but they usually do it by pushing the mgtow and red pill lifestyle into their throats.
[–]Alternative-MGTOW0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mostly accurate....but you merged red pill alphas with some of the blue pill traits and vise versa. MGTOW are still red pill just more pilled.
[–]mgtownigga0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol the red pill one is kinda true in a way. Spending thousands of hours in the gym, on expensive haircuts and other fashionable things, and studying and practicing game is pretty intensive.
[–]tallwheel0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As someone who practices multiple branches of the manosphere (but identifies with MGTOW the most), I would have been a little less harsh on the TRPers, MRA's, and even the incels. There are more flattering ways they can be categorized than this while still being accurate. I don't really agree with all your ratings for red pill knowledge/acceptance either.
I do agree that MGTOW (the good kind of MGTOW anyway) have things figured out the best for a long-term strategy.
[–]mmerijn0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The anti-feminists are not one group though. There are those who are legitimately against feminism and have a little bit of red pilling, and those who are only in there for views / attention. (Sometimes both if they are psychopaths).
[–]DonaldTrumpsWaifu0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Running out of money for drinks.
Why not go full PUA and worry about running out of money for steroids?
[–]pprstrt0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'd argue MGTOW and RedPill should be switched. MGTOW often just convinces himself that he doesn't want women, going against his genes. RedPill realizes that he needs women and takes the necessary steps.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Believe it or not, men can feel differently than horny teenagers. And speaking from experience, many MGTOW have actually had too much sex; it's grown boring.
MGTOW can have as much sex as they want, whether that's through conventional dating, pump and dump, or escorts. They are not celibate by any definition, and those that are generally choose to be.
In the area of sex, the main way we differ from TRP is that we don't base our lives around it. RooshV did an article a long time ago where he calculated the cost of each of his "notches", and it worked out to be around $1,000 each. This includes club-hopping, buying drinks, paying for taxi, opportunity cost etc. with no guarantees and needing many years of experience already. TRP think they are dominating when they are just dancing like a monkey for women. A MGTOW would look at the situation and either say 'not worth it', or just pay a couple hundred bucks for a hotter, more enthusiastic escort than any women they'd get in a club. At the end, MGTOW prioritizes himself and often gets the better deal or the better outcome.
[–]pprstrt0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There probably is such a thing as too much sex but I find it unlikely everyone on MGTOW have hit that point.
Reading your post though, I've just realized that I think there's a Venn diagram. On one side of the Venn diagram within this circle you've got betas who've seen the light but desperately want back to their ignorance. Closer to the center you've got MGTOW = how to say fuck all to women and society's pandering to them, and enjoy your life however you want. On the other side you've got pickup artists who have seen the lights and spend all their time and energy exploiting this knowledge trying to impress and win women. Closer to the center you've got TRP = how to say fuck you to women and [still] most effectively get in their panties, and here is the optimum way to enjoy your life. In the middle you've got the penultimate man. Here Hemingway, Twain, and Churchill sit on a hilltop smoking cigars. Nearing the top are MGTOW and TRP, though from different sides. MGTOW from the "I am a man and I do as I damn well please" side and TRP from the "I am a man and I am following in the footsteps of other happy/effective men".
[–]LooksAtDogs0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Christ how the fuck am I supposed to read that?
[–]Alternative-MGTOW-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[+]not_here_4_points-7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago* (35 children) | Copy Link
And for mgtow -
name - mgtow
social priorities - fantasy it was really their choice, they're in control
what they think they are - photo of man leaving social situation with women
what they actually are - photo of being left out of social situation with women
aliases - incels in denial
age - 15+
red pill knowledge - blank
red pill acceptance - empty pill
philosophy - "it was my choice"
main issues - convincing themselves they're "men going their own way" and not "men sent their own way"
[–]Fyodor00712 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The anti-MGTOW comments and articles all go this way.
Us: going my own way.
You / feminist professor / uneducated cam-whore: AHHAHAH!! Women don't like you so you are sad! HAHAHHA!!
Us: k, bye.
You /fp/ ucw: but... acknowledge me.
You can be salty and threatened and we won't think about it at all. We'll just be here enjoying our time, money and lives while you live in angst and denial.
[–]not_here_4_points1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Okay, question that wasn't included in your strawman, if you don't care why do you define yourself by it?
[–]MothraEpoch2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's very easy to define yourself based on something else. So whilst it's easy to say what you are to define yourself, it's also easy to define yourself by saying what you are not also
[–]not_here_4_points0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay, not how but why?
[–]MothraEpoch2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because that's just the way it is. Like how atheism is defined by being the opposite of Christianity or Islam etc. That's just how it is
[–]Fyodor0070 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was just pointing our to other readers how these conversations tend to go. We've all seen them a lot. I realize it was a "reply" but it was more for discussion than for you.
[–]dizzle93-5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
mgtow: look how little we care!
Everyone: we don't care
Normal people don't define themselves by sex. The fact that you all need to band together to do it shows how little self confidence you have
[–]Fyodor0073 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Except all the people, like yourself who come into the MGTOW sub to tell us you don't care, right?
Or the numerous posts and articles demonizing or shaming men who are defined only by the shared characteristic that they don't want a relationship?
"Normal people" you're going to have to define that. I have no idea what normal is anymore. I certainly don't think successful, wealthy and happily single is "normal." Seems like normal these days is dishonest, politically zealous for reps or dems, unthinking, unreasoning, TV obsessed, overweight, PC social justice warrior without an independent thought in their brain.
I wouldn't say we "need" to band together. But like anyone with values, we tend to enjoy socializing with like minded people. Self confidence doesn't factor into it at all, unless you meant it to be insulting. But you can safe those, we've heard worse and weren't bothered. The unsolicited opinions of strangers don't really carry much weight.
[–]dizzle930 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey bud, this is the first I've ever heard of you guys. I honestly thought this post was a parody, but it wasn't. Probably wont come back and tbh I didnt even read your answer.
Cheers
[–]NewWave6475 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
mgtow IMO is different idea to different people. i believe you made this post to get negative attention. if i get bored enough, i might go more in depth.
in short, ur views of what they think they are and what they are can be false. I've fucked over 100 women, and been in 4 relationships ... you learn a lot about women's behaviour as you grow. They want attention, they want to disrespect men, they want validation from their peers, they will lie to their friends in order to make a drama-free boyfriend look like a bad person. They use tits and ass to persuay (sp) white-knights to hate someone, and the white knights don't get laid. They don't have logical arguements. I dumped one girl because she admitted to 'touching' a guy at bar, and sleeping next to another one .. but they "didn't fuck" as she says. I dropped her, and she tries to paint me as the bad person, and tells people we broke up because I cheated on her, which is false. She then tries guilt tripping me with some shit like "if you really loved me, you would forgive me for my mistake ..." ..... bitch GTFO
Nowadays, i don't put an importance on meeting or trying to develop anything with women. I don't care about pick-up culture (i used to fuck with the PUA stuff alot). I just focus on me and work towards my personal goals, and learn how best to protect myself, my assets, and my reputation from being tarnished by anyone.
i can go on, but, I relate with a lot of the threads i see here. Thanks for your input however. perhaps you will learn more in the future as you mature.
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[–]NewWave6470 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
lol just saw, he must be bored. I'm not sure what his motive is
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You guys define yourselves by things you supposedly don't care about, you're weird. And you must be really bored then /u/NewWave647
We don't ever deny that we care.
you are reaaally triggered man.
Nah, just having fun.
[–]NewWave6470 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yea. it's all good man.
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[–]Carefree_bot4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
could care less
You DO care?
You probably meant to say "Couldn't care less"
[–]not_here_4_points-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
MGTOWs could care less. Our interpersonal relationships with women should not act as an epitome of what we are.
Yet you allow the lack thereof to. Doesn't seem any better. And you all seem to spend a lot of time convincing yourself of this.
Some are even former Chads.
I doubt those spend any time on this sub or call themselves "mgtow."
Most don't give a fuck.
Keep telling yourself that.
Incels act like TRP and prostitution dont exist.
Trp is bullshit, prostitution isn't the point.
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[–]not_here_4_points-3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Anyway, MGTOW, TRP do not care about female validation.
Mgtow is defined by hating female validation they can get. Trp is defined by pursuing female sexual validation.
And no need to get so heated I'm just sharing ideas.
[–]not_here_4_points0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
We don't care about if we can get it or not.
Yet you care so much about talking about it. I don't spend much talking about things I don't care about.
I meant by having an mgtow culture, /u/RedPilledANCAP
Saying MGTOW are "incels in denial" and we are "sent our own way" is not how to share your ideas man.
Honest question, ever been at much risk of drowning in pussy?
[–]Helikzhan1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To put a point on it MGTOW is a philosophy of decoupling your life from female validation. It means being who you want to be all the time and not giving a shit what women think about it. It means not falling for the social programming of slavery.
Sex doesn't really matter. Having relations with women doesn't matter either. It's all about how you conduct yourself around them. For example not being a white knight / cuck / blue pilled dipshit and retaining agency in their presence. You're right about TRP guys though. They live for female validation thus missing the point entirely. Incels may be lumped in with us and I'm fine with that. Those of us who have been burned by relations with women can help them understand they aren't missing anything positive. It all comes out the same in the end.
[–]aBattleBorn0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dont even bother to replay this guy is a TFL from r/incels
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Whoever spent time doing this - needs to get a lyf mgtow-style.
Seriously what the fuck is this?
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