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[–]The_Litz 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
My action plan:
Get Olongapo to commit.
Sell my house, move in with Olongato.
See if Olongao will offer to pay student loan.
Pay student loan with money from the house sale and make Olongato suffer for not paying by being a harpy at home.
Keep on working and shit over Olongato when I get home and supper is not on the table and he is not on standby for a footrub.
Get one of the kids to move in as they are going through a rough patch.
Get Olongato to sleep in the spare bedroom on the couch. Adult kid is sleeping in the spare bedroom.
Get Olongato to babysit grandkids.
Sell his musical instrument, he hasn't used it for ages, same as his dick.
Get depressed because now life is a shitshow again....
Offer to be her happy place. Nothing more.
[–]wn36 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bam! Hypergamy at its finest!
Early 60s and still saddled with debt from college? That's reason enough to bounce!
She's trying to bait your emotionally. You posting here about tells me that it's working.
NEXT!
[–]FireTempered 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great snapshot of Olongao's probable future here. Re check the flux capacitor and full speed ahead.
[–]BluepillProfessor 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So THAT is why women don't get much out of the Mindful Attraction Plan! All of them use the same MAP.
[–]fuckmrp 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
is really pissed at me because I'm not empathizing enough for her She also wants me to work on her house more.
is really pissed at me because I'm not empathizing enough for her
She also wants me to work on her house more.
What's up bro you don't feel like being an emotional tampon while you wash those windows? Get some options.
[–]FireTempered 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Is this a comfort test? Is this a shit test? I know she's got entanglements and I know she's got debt and it seems that there's a current of resentment about my lifestyle (I earned every fucking dime, BTW) and the free time I have. I don't pay for trips.
None of the above.
Why would you get involved with someone whose life is the exact opposite of yours? Poor, indebted, overworked, not retired, emotional, and enmeshed in her adult children's lives......
She wants your time, your money and your commitment. The only way an older woman knows to win IMO is to absolutely control the frame, to control the boundaries. Yes control you. As long as you are half way letting her do it, you are in her girl game. Even if you are withdrawing some from her, you are still available to play her game.
She will continue the frame grabs, she has everything to gain and nothing to lose, except you.
Yes, for her (and me), you are not the highest priority, unless, maybe you take charge of it.
[–]Olongapo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good reminder. Thanks.
[–]FRedington1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
This! ... A thousand times THIS!
[–]BluepillProfessor 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Pro tip: She wants you to open up emotionally so she has more power and leverage over you.
That is all.
[–]Red-Curious 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And this is where most marriage counselors I work with just don't get it. They assume a cry for help is a cry for help, or a shout of pain is a shout of pain. It's probably because most marriage counselors are female, but they assume that wives know what they want and are effectively communicating it and that over-simplistic husbands are just too dumb to understand how emotional needs work. The fact that there is a subconscious (and kill me if it ever becomes conscious!) hidden agenda never crosses their minds.
Even politically conservative psychologists have bought into this feminist model of marriage counseling - "You're just not communicating well enough; let me help you understand each other better." It worms its way in like a snake. No, she is communicating exactly what she intends. The problem is that when she's upset the hamster takes over and she doesn't know what she really wants, so whatever comes out of her mouth can't be trusted. I've seen this happen on loop more times than I can count. As a result, there's only 1 marriage counselor in my entire large-sized city who I will ever refer clients to.
Tag: /u/Olongapo
[–]DanG3 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
"The problem is that when she's upset the hamster takes over and she doesn't know what she really wants, so whatever comes out of her mouth can't be trusted. I've seen this happen on loop more times than I can count."
If so, you lack congruence if you back a poster on your RPC sub who posts ...
"I'd say you have a stronger point if you emphasize the "happily" part."
I understand if you are you trying to encourage activity on that/your sub.
[–]Red-Curious 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There's some intent to support contribution and growth of the sub, so I'm commenting on more things than I otherwise would. That said, I don't see the incontinence. One situation is a woman who is unhappy and speculating about what might make her happy; there other is a woman who has actually experienced that happiness. Also, marriage counseling is a unique endeavor that prompts people to speak off the cuff withouty really being able to process things fully before speaking.
[–]DanG3 -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And ... how much attention should we pay to what women say? (Rhetorical question.)
[–]Olongapo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks. This makes sense.
[–]matrixtospartanatLV 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You, and you alone, from your frame decide how much you are going to invest with time and money.
Remember that your investment is largely expected, will not result in any tangible appreciation, and any amount you pull back from going in will be resented.
Good luck with that.
[–]Olongapo 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. I think the issue from her is that I've always maintained some semblance of distance and autonomy. Took me a long time to learn that. I don't think I've budged from my happy place but I think she's amping up the pressure to fall into her frame. I choose to not do it because of past mistakes.
[–]LeftAndRed 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Telling you to "think about it" like you're a child is clue. Shes just being an old teenager. React accordingly.
[–]0kool74 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Any thoughts or recommendations?
Only the most obvious one......dump her!
This!
[–]weakandsensitive 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link
I am a reformed beta
lol.
Divorced twice by women who “fell out of love” with me
and you're on your way to a third.
I am retired and swallowed the pill a couple of years ago after my second divorce. I'm retired and financially sound. I play music, take trips, and play in a band.
Shit that doesn't matter.
She's been married a couple of times too.
Digging through someone else's trash. Probably even worse than digging through your own.
She's not retired and works in healthcare and is loaded with debt from her doctorate, her house (both mine are paid for), and spending shitloads of money on her grown kids. Wife number two did that too and thanks to TRP, I understand now my place in her world. She's living with chronic pain and has a child in the middle of a health crisis. We met online and hit it off and have been dating for a year. A friend of hers offered her some serious money to help manage the kid's healthcare issues and I offered time. She texted me this morning explaining why she was mad at me and I texted back that I have no idea what she's talking about. She's gotten irritated at me in the past for not talking about my emotions enough (learned that lesson the hard way). She's in crisis and pain right now, I empathize but it's sort've not my problem. I know exactly what happens when adult children are involved and I am not even going there again. Right now, I'm letting her initiate contact. I have a life in my community and need to focus on that. What I won't do is break frame or start talking about my emotions. She also wants me to work on her house more. Is this a comfort test? Is this a shit test? I know she's got entanglements and I know she's got debt and it seems that there's a current of resentment about my lifestyle (I earned every fucking dime, BTW) and the free time I have. I don't pay for trips. I don't purchase extravagant gifts. My emotional stuff is my own business. Any thoughts or recommendations?
Not my fucking problem. Not going to make it my fucking problem.
[–]FireTempered 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (55 children) | Copy Link
Yet, I took a bite of his apple. Hmm, I think there may be something I need to learn here.
[–]weakandsensitive 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (54 children) | Copy Link
kinda sad that my answer is controversial and downvoted. i saw the same kind of decline over in r/seduction around 2008/9 when it went from heavy, raw and focused to hand holding and being each other's pat on the back. oh well - been a good couple of years at mrp with my biggest takeaway being extreme ownership.
[–]Tebulus 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Weak bitches are going to act like weak bitches and they use the points system to pad their hurt feelings when their shit filled brains fail to produce instant gratification to the same low effort behavior they have used to skate through life as unfulfilled faggots. You know this already. You are a net positive to this community and I hope your style and posting habits remain the same.
I bookmarked your FR about your wife because it is a reminder to myself not to be complacent or learn a couple of basics like handling a shit test and trying to use it as a solution to everything. It got a lot of flak and a bandwagon started to say you overreacted and it was a shit test and bla bla fucking bla whatever. Instead of buckling or getting mad, you held your ground with good form and poked the holes in the weak arguments and did a fucking impressive job of it. That whole thread changed course and now the top comments are pointing out everything you were saying from the beginning. That shit made me rethink my reaction (which initially was to think you overreacted) to your scenario and I grew because of it.
[–]weakandsensitive 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
http://personaltao.com/teachings/questions/taoist-questions-flow/
important article to keep in mind when asking the question of "is this worth investing in"? applies to all aspects of your life.
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
keep in mind when asking the question of "is this worth investing in"
I think it makes more sense now. IMO you're saying, an OP having never ending needs due to never (doing what it takes to get it) getting it?
[–]weakandsensitive 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes and more broadly - any time investment you're looking at making.
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes, that would delete a lot of stuff.
Edit: Looking at my post to OP (as a specific) I got that he didn't get it when I started off with "why would you", but I splained it to him anyway. I invested into that which he had not seriously invested in, or he would not have ever posted.... after 2 years of RP. Guess I needed the practice or thought it did. Really not a good use of time as I review, and my posts always take a lot of my time and investment. The more I write the farther down the hole this goes. Always something new to understand, but really wasn't obvious or clear to me at first. Thanks
Not save-a-ho, but save-a-OP .. same stinking thinking.
[–]Scurvemuch 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
but if you hadn't written that post, W&S wouldn't have made his comment, wouldn't have linked that article..
and so on.
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i learned my taoist understanding from winnie the pooh.
[–]Scurvemuch1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I thought asians were born with it
[–]DanceMonkeeDance 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here. Many of the questions noobs ask could be answered just by reading the comments from the members who have been here a while. Especially when there are differing opinions; that's where the meat is.
I've been reading questions and thinking about what the right answer might be, then reading the comments. You think you have it figured out, and somebody blows you away with one line. More often than not, it is W&S.
[–]88Will88 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link
Enjoy the decline as we say in TRP. But seriously this new guy, red curious, whilst very smart arrived a couple of weeks ago with dead bedroom stories, now he is endorsed. I would have told him "physician heal thyself" before I slapped a badge on him. All of the sudden guys like this and coach red pill are here to help the rest of us understand what red pill really means. To quote the Donald.... Sad.
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[–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is who I thought he was talking about. LOL.
[–]88Will88 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I should have said this new guy, redcurious
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
But seriously this guy, whilst very smart arrived a couple of weeks ago with dead bedroom stories, now he is endorsed
Who are you talking about? Maybe it would make more sense...... I don't get it. Please - explain.
[–]88Will88 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
I meant the new guy, redcurios
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He is very new and you're not completely wrong. But I trust the mods to decide, not my job, not my problem.
[–]Scurvemuch 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
stuff happens behind the scenes. I havent asked. Plus he write christian stuff and thats waaay waaay out of my lane.
So, you know... read and decide if it applies.
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Plus he write christian stuff and thats waaay waaay out of my lane
I quit persecuting them.. makes 'em more persistent..... :)
[–]Scurvemuch 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
feed em to lions.
met a guy today . goes to a christian fight club. At church. talking about how to treat women and stay off drugs.
I almost asked.. but you know, didn't because reasons.
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
goes to a christian fight club. At church
That's a new one to me. how to treat women could lead down a red or blue path.... But, stay off drugs? IMO not high on the list of the average guy. Might be a 12 step, block and punch program.
yea it was a lil weird. also in my office for falling out of his truck so who knows
[–]coluorred 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
W&S don't get soft on us now... your reply was spot on.
Her kids are not his problem and neither is her debt or her house repairs.
[–]straius1 points 9 years ago* [recovered] (19 children) | Copy Link
Probably downvoted because the only relevant point was at the end (And basically the same point as the current top voted comment). The rest read like you're tearing someone down without a reason since they weren't attached to any actions and that you misread this as being his wife instead of a plate.
Didn't read as a controversial opinion to me.
I don't disagree with your point or the usual slogans you pointed out. I also really enjoyed that personal tao link you listed below, perfect perspective and I think sheds the best light on OP's issue in a larger context than just this woman.
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link
The rest read like you're tearing someone down without a reason since they weren't attached to any actions and that you misread this as being his wife instead of a plate.
faggotry like yours is what makes men weak.
especially considering you wrote
I don't disagree with your point or the usual slogans you pointed out
the issue you take is that there's not enough feel good rubbing and tugging.
but let's break it down a little bit.
since they weren't attached to any actions
faggot mindsets are more detrimental than faggot inaction. the sooner you recognize it, the less you'll be willing to assuage and indulge weak men's bullshit (this is pretty much every post that is "she"-centric - start paying attention to how much of guy's posts are about her).
that you misread this as being his wife instead of a plate.
you think i missed this? because i talk about a third one to fall out of love with him? does it matter if it's a wife or just another woman you pedestal like a wife? is there a functional difference between wife and plate? there isn't because if there were, op wouldn't have posted in here like a stupid faggot. if this were really a plate, he'd take the standard "next" and move on approach and we all would've gotten 5 minutes of our lives back.
nah - op essentially views her as a wife (hence posting here) and he's going out of his way to do the same stupid bullshit that got him divorced by other two women (so how serious is he actually about making a change?).
here is the thing about posters like this OP. they post their story and are only going to address comments he already agrees with, because addressing, understanding, and resolving intellectual conflict is hard work and requires introspection. that effectively means he's wasting everybody's time.
when i was a mod, i removed every single post that didn't add value to the people who are reading because value leeching people aren't worth investing in. /u/stonepimpletilists knows what i'm talking about. anyone who had an issue with their post getting removed and couldn't explain where the value for the reader was got a ban. it was for this exact reason - to keep out lazy people who simply wanted their perspective to be "MRP Approvedtm ".
That all said, i appreciate your bravery because the more people that come in here, the more people that think like you but won't say anything.
edit: also - 62 year old divorced women with debt? is this even worth talking about? standards. get some.
[–]straius 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see. Solid points. I haven't been around long enough to recognize those kinds of patterns so I am probably being too charitable in accepting what he writes.
I guess the trend you describe is part of the price of success.
Thanks for taking the time to wrote that out.
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link
But...... when I started posting, I was beyond clueless in so many ways. Deep deep in wife's frame and beta bitch to boot. I don't think my first posts added ANY value to anybody but me. (my first posts gave me a great deal of value) I needed help trying to figure out how to ever take charge of myself again. I think I was a faggot mindset as you say (I had very little understanding of how things really worked and I find that it was cringeworthy of think of today). Lot's of people, even you, commented and gave me a clue back then. Are you saying that if you had your way here today, you would have deleted me? (I may have been clueless but I was willing able and ready to do the work, no reason to delete me back then, I just remembered it worse then I was.) Seriously trying to understand where you are going..... Yeah, I see your point about value leeching posts.
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Where are your submitted posts? Let's go back and judge. The only one you submitted that I can see if this one - and that doesn't read like a value leeching post to me.
If you're talking comments - I only deleted posts, not comments.
If your posts were pure value leeching, absolutely.
Now the question you need to ask yourself is if nobody had responded to you, would you still have gotten to where you are now just by sitting and observing? I'd bet money you would've.
I learned to handle my shit through the power of google. If you can't do the same, I pity you. Depending on others to do your learning doesn't work.
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
The original posts I was referring to were here https://redd.it/2zj7c1
and here https://redd.it/33w6es
I remember them as pitiful, but after re-reading them, they weren't as bad as I remember them. I have edited my original comment to you to be more accurate based on my first two posts.
Certainly, I could be dealing with some self image issues, but I suspect it is more a exaggerated negative view of where I started with MRP.
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha. Your doubts were about getting laid.
[–]Scurvemuch 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I remember your posts well. They didn't come off as looking for a handout. The value was that you were able to own your shit, even initially.
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Check out your second post.
You have an entire section called - "What I am Doing To Improve".
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I still like the quote, "We have seen the enemy....."
[–]weakandsensitive1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Shit man. Even bpp calls it an exemplary field report. No idea why you'd think your effort filled with would be deleted.
[–]FireTempered1 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Just bad memory. Had not looked at it in quite a while. What I remember is being so clueless and sad, not accurately tho.
Maybe clueless and sad, but at least working on it on your own
Agree.
[–]Tebulus 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You vs Faggot
You would have had nothing to worry about.
[–]pikadildo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Just be more Socratic. Make them do the work.
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
being a socratic teacher is way harder than punching them in the face.
[–]pikadildo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
True. But then we're back to why are you here?
Bingo
[–]man_in_the_world 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This lengthy set of comments by /u/jacktenofhearts includes some nice "advanced fogging" insights on how to engage your wife empathetically and emotionally without being beta about it.
[–]Olongapo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is helpful. Thanks.
[–]bolt892 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It looks like you were happy and having fun before this woman, what's the point in keeping her around if she's a messing that up?
[–]coluorred 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
They never grow out of resource extraction modus operandi, but you should have learned something from being RP by now about this.
[–]redsprinklersystem 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Dude. I know you're old and all, but do you actually have alzheimers? Your post is all over the fucking place!
Let me try to extract a theme...
You're pretty chilled and enjoying your retirement, and you met a woman online a year ago who will fuck you but apparently has a shitshow of a life. Her 'friend' has given her a lot of money and you offered some of your time to help her through some health problems she/her kid have. But she's whining because you're not empathising and doing her housework?
I'm honestly struggling to think of a stronger case I've ever seen for a fast NEXTing. If you have your shit together like you allude to, there must be a shitload of decent looking 50s wealthy widows out there more worthy of attention.
[–]FireTempered 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Dude. I know you're old and all
Don't pick on old guys, some of them can be really FireTempered.
Mostly tired because they're all so predictable.
[–]redsprinklersystem 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Haha. Hey man its just a number, right?
[–]GargantuaBlarg29 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah. A BIG number.
I kid. I kid....no really, to you i'm a kid.
Ok I'm done now.
[–]FireTempered 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, my number is much, much bigger than yours. You do have number envy? Say hello to my big number.
[–]Olongapo 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I wish I had Alzheimers....it would probably make life a lot easier.
I have banged those hot, rich, 50 year olds and because I was fit, sociable, and not an ex-felon, it was as easy as pie but you know what? It was classic AWALT. They were all predictable and all post-post wall. Nexting is real easy for me and right now, that's my impulse. I kind've like this one though because she really cooks well and mostly stays out of my business. You did summarize my post accurately.
[–]redsprinklersystem 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So its really a simple situation then: you can share some good times and let her temporarily escape her stresses - as a bonus you get some good food and maybe a gummer ;-D
Seriously though, you're in an enviable position compared to many here. You don't mention any hard ties, so you just treat her as the steady plate that she is. More whiny shit = more distance and vice versa. Just keep in mind that any help you give needs to be from a place of abundance and generosity with no expectations (careful of those covert contracts).
Enjoy what you have going. I wish you well.
just treat her as the steady plate that she is. More whiny shit = more distance and vice versa.
I endorse this.
[–]rocknrollchuck 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
and maybe a gummer
Lol!!
[–]Chinchilla_the_Hun 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Reminds me of that Minnie Driver bar joke scene from Good Will Hunting
[–]FRedington2 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Restaurant meals 3x per day is still a lot cheaper than getting financially entangled with this bitch.
[–]Westernhagen 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
who will fuck you but apparently has a shitshow of a life
These facts are not unconnected. She hopes to use her vagina to put him on the hook to clean up her shitshow.
The corollary to this logic, of course, is that once he solves the shitshow, access to the vagina will be denied (see The_Litz comment).
[–]Aechzen 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course.
My ltr (f63) , I'm (m62),
One obvious thought is that if you're that financially secure even after two divorces, own your shit, and are reasonably attractive, you can do a lot better than dating a woman with this much baggage.
And honestly, I think you should stop calling her your LTR. How long have you been involved with this woman? (edit: one year). Stop it dude. She's your girlfriend at best. Are you going to put a ring on it? Please tell me you're not considering that.
Aren't you supposed to be banging divorced moms in their late 40s?
I'm 36, my wife is 36, my girlfriend is 29. You should at least be able to bag the -7 age gap that I have going.
If you're not attractive enough for that, use some of your fortune to hire a personal trainer, and work at it as if it was your job.
Get out there, meet people in real life, delete your apps or website or wherever you found her. Go wherever people go in your place. Talk to them, dine with them, and date them. You can do better. And use some of your retired free time to read the sidebar, especially the parts about developing game.
[–]88Will88 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seems to me that she offers nothing to you at all. She expects you to be an emotional tampon and chequebook. Seriously a woman over 60 has almost nothing to offer you. I know a lot of older guys who are well off (not necessarily rich, but own their own house, have ample spending money) who only have relationships with girls from Thailand or the Phillipines. None of them are beta or stupid, they have all just had enough of the way western women behave. Most of them married once or twice, all of them have been with many western girls. It may be something to consider. So long as you are not dumb enough to fall for the sick buffalo story or send loads of money to her family, then get yourself a hottie who will clean your house and drain your penis. Why anyone would want to be with a woman who is over 45 who has not been a long and loyal partner is beyond me. They are repulsive.
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[–]0kool74 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
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[–]weakandsensitive 7 points8 points9 points (56 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 4 points5 points6 points (55 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 2 points3 points4 points (54 children) | Copy Link
[–]Tebulus 4 points5 points6 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 2 points3 points4 points (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]Scurvemuch 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Scurvemuch1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]DanceMonkeeDance 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]88Will88 2 points3 points4 points (23 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]BluepillProfessor 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]88Will88 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points (19 children) | Copy Link
[–]88Will88 0 points1 point2 points (18 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Scurvemuch 1 point2 points3 points (16 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points (15 children) | Copy Link
[–]Scurvemuch 1 point2 points3 points (14 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 1 point2 points3 points (13 children) | Copy Link
[–]Scurvemuch1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]coluorred 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]straius1 points [recovered] (19 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points (18 children) | Copy Link
[–]straius 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points (11 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points (9 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Scurvemuch 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 0 points1 point2 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered1 point [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]Tebulus 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]pikadildo 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]pikadildo 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]weakandsensitive 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]man_in_the_world 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Olongapo 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]bolt892 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]coluorred 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]redsprinklersystem 3 points4 points5 points (12 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 9 points10 points11 points (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]Olongapo 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]redsprinklersystem 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
[–]GargantuaBlarg29 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 5 points6 points7 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Olongapo 4 points5 points6 points (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]redsprinklersystem 5 points6 points7 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]FireTempered 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]rocknrollchuck 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Chinchilla_the_Hun 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]FRedington2 points [recovered] | Copy Link
[–]Westernhagen 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]Aechzen 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]88Will88 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link