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Apparently serving a sentence for a crime isn’t fair (but only if you’ve got a vagina)

killerwolfs2000

April 2, 2022
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Title Apparently serving a sentence for a crime isn’t fair (but only if you’ve got a vagina)
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killerwolfs2000

Upvotes 520
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Date April 2, 2022 9:28 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
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[–]Starforce2005 200 points201 points202 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Prison: Locking up women does not work, charity warns

I could argue the same for men.

A spokesman said: "Since we launched our female offender strategy the number entering the criminal justice system has fallen by almost a third.

"We are investing tens of millions into community services like drug rehabilitation and women's centres, and our joint Women's Justice Blueprint in Wales is diverting women away from crime."

Why aren't these resources giving to men and boys? And by tens of millions, where did these money came from, wasn't men the majority of tax payer? So you would use money paid by male citizen and used only on female citizen?

[–]SamaelET 115 points116 points117 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

The "strategy" they talk about : https://www.gov.uk/government/news/secretary-of-state-launches-dedicated-strategy-to-break-the-cycle-of-female-offending

Men make up more than 95% of inmates but where is all the concern and empathy ? Where is all this willingness to prevent male from commiting crimes and help them instead of sending them into prison ?

How is it that when women are the majority of those who face a certain issue, it becomes an excuse to ignore men. But when men are the majority of those who face a certain issue, they are ignored and we still focus on women ?

[–]Starforce2005 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its horrible

[–]NarutoBoy87 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

They make up 95% of inmates coz women dont serve jail time already.. They want this number to be 100% men.. The new equality moto is probably i'll do the crime wont do the time...

[–]NarutoBoy87 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just as i typed this.. The escort who forced a 16 year into prostitution for some unpaid debt gets suspended sentence... This is bad in itself and worse is she gets to walk..

Not tryna make this a gender issue, if it were a man pushing a 16 year old.. He wouldn't see day light as a freeman...

[–]PsychologicalItem353 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its mainly about money

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

men actually commit the most violent crime such as rape, murder, attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon. y'all are just dense and ignore statistics

[–]ignatztempotypo 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because vagina. And that's why we're all here complaining about it. Patriarchy my ass.

[–]PsychologicalItem353 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They can't do this for men. If so jails would possibly go bankrupt by basically guiding most men from crime jails/prisons would lose almost all their inmates where they make money for detaining them. Its either money or lives and as usually lives. Plus society doesn't really care about men to begin so they just help women and not men for money and discrimination.

[–]Angryasfk 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They assert they’re “diverting women from crime”. Any real evidence (as opposed to concocted propaganda) that this is really effective? What about killers? Are they going to them in some “community placement” too?

[–]amazinglyaloneracist 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd wager their driving them towards crime. What with the no sentences thing and all

[–]xsplizzle 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why aren't these resources giving to men and boys? And by tens of millions, where did these money came from, wasn't men the majority of tax payer? So you would use money paid by male citizen and used only on female citizen?

I have no idea, but i can tell you as someone who went to rehab in the UK two years ago, it is a hell of a lot harder to get a spot in rehab if you are male, despite the majority of addicts being male during the time i was in rehab the majority of the people in there were female.

it took me over a year to get a place, a female friend just rang up and was instantly offered one.

fucking everything is gynocentric and im so sick of it

[–]hunglikewatchbattery 96 points97 points98 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The Ministry of Justice said jailing women should always be a last resort.

Wtf.... this is sexism at its worst.

[–]VeteranOfDepression 55 points56 points57 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Oh, she killed 5 people? Lets put her in therapy. Oh she killed her therapist? Let's put her in a mental health and abuse victim facility. Oh she just killed her peers? Shit well i guess its finally time to put her behind bars... After we try house arrest."

[–]NarutoBoy87 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

And the news channel would say, she killed a dozen people but really her abusive ex is to blame... She shouldn't be jailed for these crimes...

[–]Greeddeath 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, a dozen of PPL died due to serial killer. Gender unmentioned.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess Coverture is “good” after all!

[–]Vanhelsing2020 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Locking up women does not work, charity warns"

Neither does committing a crime that gets you into prison.

[–]Angryasfk 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if they’re worried about women serving short sentences, they could always give them longer ones!

Given the way things are, I would have thought in most cases some sort of sanction in a “community setting” had already been applied.

[–]matrixislife 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The council's Judge Rosa Dean said: "Now that we have these very clear guidelines, it just makes everything a lot fairer and clearer to everybody.

"When you're dealing with women, it's just so important to make sure you have all the right information."

Obviously not so important when you're dealing with men? Ok.

[–]Sininenn 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Notice how this, in their eyes, is "a lot fairer"...

[–]OldEgalitarianMRA 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Circular reasoning at it's best. Women are given lighter sentences then use that to justify removing all prisons for women.

This is discrimination against women. Women should be responsible for their crimes without a benefit because of their genitals.

[–]GodBirb 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They complain about benevolent sexism until it benefits them.

[–]TheEppidemic 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It works for separating them from society, which is what prison is ACTUALLY for.

[–]NimishApte 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am perfectly sympathetic to the argument that people shouldn't be jailed for low level non violent offences and community treatments would be much better for such offences. But the same sympathy needs to extended for men.

[–]driverdiver84 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prisons don't work for any gender. It's a broken system in most countries, but as usual women get the priority. If there's any legislation presented about this it should be for any human and not gender specific.

[–]hifi3xx 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Yeah since the short sentences aren't working we should try longer sentences so that there are actual consequences for their actions

[–]NimishApte 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Don't jail people for low level non violent offences

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

It’s not how it works. Typically these women will have had other sanctions already imposed, which they’ve either ignored and gone on repeating the offence, or which they’ve refused to comply with. Prison (with a few exceptions) is imposed when other sanctions have already proven ineffective. I’d also point out that last year a serial false rape accuser got sentenced to 8 months. Doubtless she’s one of those “poor little women” who should be given some “community based order” instead.

[–]NimishApte 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

By non violent, I don't mean attempting to have someone thrown in prison. Serial false rape accusers need serious jail time. By non violent, I mean low level theft or drug consumption or small scale drug peddling

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

And if they just keep offending? Or don’t show up to their “community orders”? Then what? That’s typically how these women get their time in the first place. They either don’t comply with the non-imprisonment sanction, or just reoffend. Now whilst being a recidivist isn’t supposed to make a difference in determining guilt or innocence, it does make a difference in sentencing.

So what will happen is that you’re telling these women there’s no punishment for the crime: a fine they don’t pay or order they don’t bother to show up for. And then? More fines they won’t pay, or more orders they won’t show up for.

What do you think the effect of this will be?

[–]NimishApte 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You can make them pay fines by seizing property

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Can you?

[–]NimishApte 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It exists for civil lawsuits, why not here?

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

These people are fairly poor, likely living on welfare (officially anyway). Do you seriously think those opposed to short sentences will be happy with the state confiscating the welfare payment or depriving them of public housing? If they had the money, they’d pay the fines rather than spend time in prison surely.

[–]NimishApte 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Their position is that women should suffer no punishment. I don't buy that. I just think people should suffer monetary punishment for monetary crime. But if they keep breaking court orders, jail time is appropriate.

[–]Angryasfk 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In my state, a couple of years ago there was a scandal over an aboriginal woman who died in custody in the North West. Now I’m not going to discuss the individual issue about how the authorities failed in their duty of care. It turns out she was in jail for non-payment of fines. We’re talking many thousands of dollars worth. She lived welfare and public housing. Where’s the property to confiscate? If you take much of her welfare payment, the same people complaining about these sorts of imprisonments will be complaining that it impoverishes already poor people and the children suffer etc.

And this doesn’t deal with those who either don’t show up for community orders or get thrown out because of their bad behaviour.

[–]NimishApte 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At this point, I had say imprisonment probably sounds fair

[–]hifi3xx 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well we Jail men for low level non violent offences. Why shouldn't women get equal treatment for equal crimes. If women commit the same crimes as men, they are just as dangerous as men and should be treated as such. Equal Crime, Equal Time. But if you want to lower male sentences so they get the same amount of times as women. That's cool too.

[–]Joe_Hillbilly_816 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That licks ass

[–]63daddy 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

All the issues involved with imprisoning pointed out in this article apply to men also, so why only focus on women who are imprisoned?

I think it’s simple: To avoid the negative consequences of prison, don’t commit crime.

[–]jeff4093 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a known fact that most people will re-offend. The main reason for prison is a punishment to keep people out of society from harming others for a period of time. Some learn, but most are a revolving door. I'm not sure why a specific gender is an issue here.

[–]63daddy 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not a gender specific issue. It’s being sold as one as an excuse to hold women, but not men unaccountable.

[–]Explorer_Of_Infinity 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wait, are they suggesting that women just shouldnt go to prison? Reply to this with your opinion, because i think its a yes.

[–]duhhhh 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This became official 4 years ago in the UK...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/26/justice-secretary-dont-send-women-prison-unless-commit-violent/

Was a big push of Hillary Clinton during her candidacy. The platform website isn't there anymore, but there are articles.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/27/opinions/hillary-clinton-women-and-mass-incarceration-crisis/index.html

The article makes many excuses for women comitting crime. No empathy for men with identical backgrounds. Studies show the majority of men convicted of raping women were raped by women as boys. If this is justice, (which I'm not sure it is) why should men not also get a pass for adverse childhoods?

Things are headed this way in Australia with the same narrative. All women criminals have reasons. Men are just naturally criminals. Women don't deserve to be punished like men. I suspect in Australia laws will pass within the decade like they were in the UK.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/17/a-mass-imprisonment-crisis-why-more-women-are-doing-time

We shouldn't even put women on trial for selling drugs in the UK. Not people based on a certain scenario, women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9059233/Women-girls-groomed-gangs-forced-sell-drugs-NOT-face-criminal-charges-CPS-says.html

This is just another step

[–]Explorer_Of_Infinity 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, where are women sent to if they commit a crime? Do they just get away with it?

[–]Angryasfk 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. That’s the clear implication.

[–]Angryasfk 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. That’s the clear implication.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I'll identify as female if I ever get arrested again. Who knows? Maybe I'll get laid in jail.

[–]KingKookus 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That’s the winning strategy.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would play the game, too. "How are you a woman when your drivers license says you as a male?"

Sir, I was afraid to reveal my identity due to discrimination.

[–]ignatztempotypo 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's actually a brilliant approach. Hopefully some wealthy guy does this and pushes it up the legal ladder. All of a sudden the gender inequalities in the justice system will be actionable.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I ever get arrested again, let's hope not,that's what I'm doing.

[–]VeteranOfDepression 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean.... They DO put anyone who identifies as a woman into female prison facilities.... So you definitely could

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd rather be in jail with a bunch of horny women than angry men. I've been to jail a few times so I'm not talking out of my ass.

[–]VeteranOfDepression 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I guess, yeah. Women's prisons crazy af though. Surprisingly a lot more sexual assault despite "dropping the soap" in men's prisons being a huge joke all over the internet.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Trust me. Violence from women in prison op is nothing compared to men in men's prisons.

[–]VeteranOfDepression 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Violence? No, you're right, it is worse in men's prisons. Sexual violence? Yes, it's more common in women's prisons

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape is common in men's prison, too. More so on the east coast.all I know is of someone tries to rape me then they just signed their death warrant. From that moment on I'm scheming on how to kill the guy.

[–]needs_grammarly 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

are they saying that women mostly get under 12 month sentences so they shouldn't get them at all? that gotta be the dumbest shit i ever heard

[–]33spacecowboys 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t become a criminal then !

[–]NeoNotNeo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This lunacy is number 1 reason I am a Mens Rights Activist. Nothing makes crazier than the lack of fairness in courts.

We literally fought thousands of years in the west to prevent this type of bias. Feminism is destroying democracy

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Does locking men up help them?

[–]antifeminist3 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The dominant form of feminism is intersectional feminism with social constructionism. They think gender is a social construct, and the only reason men and women tend to be different/act different is because of treating them differently.

Based upon this, it will be increasingly difficult for feminists to continue to argue that specific and different treatment for women is appropriate, because treating men and women differently will result in other future gender inequalities.

At present, feminists seem to be getting away with it because they only speak about women, and hope you do not notice and taking women out of prison means men will be treated differently and remain in prison.

[+]FunNefariousness2303 -13 points-12 points-11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's because there is not enough women judges, they don't discriminate between the sexes.

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

not enough women judges, they don't discriminate between the sexes

Source?

[–]Beneficial-Union-995 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

FeminismIsAboutEquality.com /s

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

  • Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.
  • We can’t connect to the server at feminismisaboutequality.com.

% ping feminismisaboutequality.com
ping: feminismisaboutequality.com: Name or service not known

[–]Beneficial-Union-995 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess I should have added the /s lmao

[–]doomsday1021 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

SMH. This is like what Russia did in the 1950s with accepting Africans into their nation blindly for labor reasons and than one African migrant was caught raping two native Russian women. Wanna know what ended up happening? The government played politics and claimed the court was being racist and used every hoop and excuse to run through to get that African man out of the charges. Literally had the entire Russian government as his lawyer to get him out of serving any criminal charges and no jail time. I felt bad for the Russian women and any Russian man because they were treated as less by doing this. Russia than later forcefully moved the Africans back to Africa within less than 30 years after due to lack of performance and other reasons but this is literally the same thing that the legal system is doing to men. They are giving us harsher legal punishment and women get away with crime a lot easier. So women get less serious sentences for their crime while men suffer heavier burdens.

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