Cross-post from OneY: Is it ethically reasonable for a 'father' to not sign a birth certificate until paternity is proven?

2011-01-06T19:40:56+00:00

I'm surprised DNA tests aren't automatic upon childbirth and birth certificates don't require both parent's signatures (backed up with a positive DNA test) to be valid as a binding legal tender.

Oh wait, there is never doubt as to who the mother is, and fathers have no paternal rights, or capability to walk away from the child as a mother can.

NiceIce · 2011-01-06T20:10:21+00:00

Of course. DNA tests should be required at birth.

feel_good · 2011-01-06T20:13:45+00:00

Yes. Some people can't be trusted. Better to be safe if you are with someone you don't believe to be faithful.

BPhair · 2011-01-06T20:31:33+00:00

Thanks for posting that here.

It seems like the general consensus in OneY is to trust that the partner isn't cheating on you and that you shouldn't find out up front. This baffles me why wait to find out later when it is already to late, you are entangled and fucked. I mean, why wait until you suspect them? By then it is already way too late. Do yourself and that child a favor and clear it up before it becomes an even bigger issue.

Also, what about the other father, in the case the child isn't the first father's? Doesn't he have a right to know up front, and not be pounced on 10 years down the line for past due child support if the first father finds out?

jdgalt · 2011-01-07T03:06:25+00:00

If you sign it, in most states you are giving up your right to challenge paternity. So unless you are such an atypical man that you truly don't care, you should always insist on a test first.

kloo2yoo · 2011-01-06T20:56:57+00:00

I appreciate your choice to post it 12 hours after it's been in oney. It lowers the accusations of 'mra invasion' or whatever and allows us to see the progression of arguments somewhat more naturally.

Godspiral · 2011-01-07T03:51:53+00:00

a better question, is it ethical to demand a man sign a birth certificate without a paternity test.

its a bit of a moot question, in that the name on the birth certificate is whoever the mother says it is.

btw, from the medical profession's prespective it is UNETHICAL to tell the man that the mother is pointing to as the father, that he is not the father. It is unethical, because it deprives the child the best financial support possible.

Quazz · 2011-01-06T20:02:42+00:00

It's not only ethically reasonable, it should be a right. I don't know we should go as far as make it mandatory, but a right it should be, after all, as a man you're never certain it is your child.

Edit: Making it mandatory would eliminate the issue of trust though; and the state having your child's DNA would eventually help police force to catch criminals easier.

Also, I liked one of the newest posts from oney who urges to think about the rights of the child: Doesn't the child have the right to know who his father is? And furthermore, what if his biological father has a genetic condition that the child also gets, but neither of the 'parents' know about? This could have serious impact on the child's health should that condition ever play out.

Il128 · 2011-01-06T20:47:07+00:00

I hate cross posts from OneY.
Paternity is a basic Men's Right pillar and we believe it should be mandatory. OneY is so full of feminists, white knights and misandists, the commentary over there is naive at best.

esulcer · 2011-01-08T09:55:41+00:00

An even better question:can you trust the female hospital workers not to alter the test results to cater to the mother? (no)

A man would have to get a seperate DNA test done by a lab that HE pays. Hospitals are hotbeds of misandry.

esulcer · 2011-01-08T10:01:03+00:00

{quote} "btw, from the medical profession's prespective it is UNETHICAL to tell the man that the mother is pointing to as the father, that he is not the father. It is unethical, because it deprives the child the best financial support possible."

So very true.You have to consider if the policy is to cover up genuine paternity,it's a very small step to altering a test report. 'all for the good of the child'

perpetualvictim · 2011-01-07T01:22:26+00:00

I don't think they should be automated by the state; that's a needless intrusion of privacy. But I think anyone who suspects any problem should have reasonable affordable access to testing systems, subsidized by whatever health care plan they have in proportion to doctor's pregnancy tests, etc.

Title	Cross-post from OneY: Is it ethically reasonable for a 'father' to not sign a birth certificate until paternity is proven?
Author	Whispr
Upvotes	7
Comments	59
Date	January 6, 2011 7:30 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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