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Do you agree with this?

Prygon

June 15, 2013

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http://sihayadesigns.tumblr.com/post/52830923556/a-list-of-mens-rights-issues-that-feminism-is

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Title	Do you agree with this?
Author	Prygon
Upvotes	0
Comments	15
Date	June 15, 2013 4:19 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1gel8v/do_you_agree_with_this/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/do-you-agree-with-this.1171156 https://theredarchive.com/post/1171156

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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]EvilPundit 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]StalkerFishy5 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not like commercials in which bumbling dads mess up the laundry

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not want [men] to commit suicide

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war

So what are feminists doing about it? Source?

Lot's of talk, but no real action.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Reganom 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Short answer: No.

Long answer:

Considering the huge number of possible versions of feminism, to claim that feminism wants to help the issues that people see men facing is very naive. Whilst I know that there are feminists who sympathise and help, there are also feminists who actively oppose "us".

It also ignores the fact that one of the reasons for mothers winning custody is the tender years doctrine, something that was introduced by feminism. There is also the fact that parts of feminism have encouraged the image of men being violent, sexual deviants. An image that very little is being done about through feminism.

My main problem with it however is the "part of patriarchy" at the end of each point. It doesn't present any evidence of how they're working to fix these other than by them dismantling "patriarchal society". To me it comes across as very much "your issues will go away when we dismantle patriarchy, now sit back and let us take real action against our problems". It clings to a vague hope that once patriarchy goes away our issues will be magically solved.

Do I think that feminism has to be working on MR issues? Not really, I certainly feel that a more gender neutral approach to activism/campaigns/legislations proposals, or if not gender neutral presenting both sides, would help.

[–]Grim765 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]notnotnotfred 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]themountaingoat 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]dfedhli 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists do not want you to lose custody of your children

Then why do feminists paint men as violent and bad at caring for anyone? What's up with the feminist obsession that men are deadbeat dads?

Feminists do not want you to have to make alimony payments

Then why do feminists fight to keep the flawed system in place and call anyone who suggests reform a misogynist?

Feminists do not want anyone to get raped in prison

Then why do feminists say it's men's problem that this happens, and their own fault?

Feminists do not want anyone to be falsely accused of rape

Then why have feminists said that we should believe all rape accusations? Why have they said that it's a good thing when false accusations happen?

Feminists do not want you to be maimed or killed in industrial accidents, or toil in coal mines

Then why do feminists fight to get more desk jobs for women at equal pay to the much more dangerous jobs for men?

Feminists do not want [men] to commit suicide

I don't think anyone has claimed feminists want men to commit suicide. Still, it's demeaning to paint such a problem as an insult to women, as the author does.

Feminists do not want you to be viewed with suspicion when you take your child to the park

Then why do feminists paint men as child molesters, and make excuses for female child molesters?

Feminists do not want you to be drafted and then die in a war

Then why do feminists so strongly oppose an equalisation of the draft.

These claims are all unsubstantiated, and can be seen to be wrong by anyone that spends a reasonable amount of time on the Internet. She's acting like these are all strawman arguments.

[–]TorontoMike 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]dodehoekspiegel 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]claybratt 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Pecanpig 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]avantvernacular 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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