Female Privilege List

toblotron · 2009-08-24T18:11:20+00:00

Clever and kinda fun, but... it feels a bit too much like what (bad) feminists do for comfort; bitterness and resentment-inducing listings of grievances and injustices

It's not like it's going to impress anyone "on the other side of the fence" - isn't this kind of stuff mainly polarizing in effect?

I think it's probably more constructive to just give good counter-arguments to the original "male advantages" list

PS - I'm on nicotine detox, so please take it into account that I'm having a very complainey day :)

kanuk876 · 2009-08-24T15:25:41+00:00

There are many such lists floating around the net. Here are a few more:

rmbarnes · 2009-08-24T17:14:28+00:00

If I don’t rise to the top of my profession, it’s OK – people won’t judge me the less for it.

In addition to this, women can also play the sex discrimination card if they feel they don't get promotions / pay rises often enough.

Nebu · 2009-08-24T19:30:00+00:00

Here are my responses to the list:

I’m under less pressure than others to engage in risky, dangerous and unhealthy behaviors - one of the reasons I get to live longer than others do. REPLY: Blame the abundance of testerone coursing through male veins.
I can choose professions that are less lucrative, and not be called a loser. REPLY: Women often end up in less lucrative professions because they are less demanding and therefore more conducive to child-rearing.
If I don’t rise to the top of my profession, it’s OK – people won’t judge me the less for it. REPLY: Whoever wrote this one definitely doesn't live in New York City.
I’m entitled to the benefits of a safe, orderly society, but no one expects me to risk my personal safety to maintain it. REPLY: What about women in law enforcement? There are plenty of them!
I have the right to have the overwhelming majority of personal risk suffered in defense of my country handled by others. REPLY: Women in the military have been trying to be allowed in combat for decades. It's the male military and governmental authorities that won't allow them.
I’m allowed to avoid violence, and even run from it, without the risk I’ll be laughed at. REPLY: Men are (more often then not) physically larger and stronger than women. I am a very tiny woman myself; I can't imagine how I could be much use to anyone other than calling the police.
If I see someone else in danger, I’m allowed to stop and think carefully about my personal risk before saving them, without my courage being called into question. REPLY: See question 6.
I have the right to avoid risky, dangerous challenges, and not be called a coward. REPLY: This is because people think women are weak and fragile... it's not a compliment.
I’m allowed to cry as a child and tell my parents I’m scared of something - my parents won't be disappointed with me. REPLY: An parent who would be disappointed in a boy child crying is not just sexist, but an awful parent.
I have the right to have most of the really dangerous professions handled by others. REPLY: There are plenty of women who would be willing to engage in dangerous professions but they either can't meet the physical requirements (which is fair) or think they will be respected in such professions.
If I commit a crime, I get less jail time than others would get for the exact same crime. REPLY: True and unfair.
When I find myself with others in a terrifying, life-threatening situation, I have the right to be evacuated first, once the children are safe. Others can wait. REPLY: In emergency situations, children, the sick and the elderly of both genders are always evacuated first. If healthy women are evacuated before healthy men, it's usually because the healthy men insist upon it.
If I get slaughtered as part of some atrocity, people will be especially outraged and will call particular attention to the fact I was slaughtered. When others are slaughtered, it isn't quite as upsetting. REPLY: Again, people feel this way because they consider women weaker than men. This isn't a compliment to women.
I have the right to give my child up for adoption, and thus totally repudiate any personal and financial responsibilities I might otherwise have. REPLY: Carrying a child to term and giving him or her up for adoption is one of the most difficult things for a woman to do; it's not simply "repudiating" a responsibility. And besides, what's the alternative? Having an abortion against one's principles? Raising a child in poverty? etc...
I can choose whether I want to be a parent or not, knowing that society will compel the other parent to meet their financial responsibilities - whether they want to or not. REPLY: This is a tricky issue. On the one hand, I think it's wrong for a man to compel a woman to keep or get rid of a baby if she's pregnant, but on the other hand, it is unfair that men get so little say in this manner. There's no reasonable solution that comes to mind.
If I am personally attacked, I expect otherwise safe, otherwise uninvolved people to come to my defense. REPLY: I would hope someone to come to my aid just because I'm a fellow human being, not simply because I'm a woman. If a man was being attacked, someone should help him, too.
If I see someone else being attacked, I’m not expected to risk my own safety to defend them. It's OK for me to wait for others to intervene, and it’s also OK for me to criticize others if they don’t. REPLY: See question 6.
In any dispute involving custody, I’m granted the presumption that I am the better, safer parent. REPLY: True and extremely unfair. When I think of how my own father suffered in custody fights with my mother after their divorce, it breaks my heart.
I have the right to interact with children not my own, and not have people look at me suspiciously. REPLY: This is true and very unfortunate. While its true that the majority of reported pedophiles are men, the media has sensationalized these cases so much that many people think that every man who interacts with a child is a pervert.
If I choose to become a parent, people understand if I want to focus entirely on the personal, day-to-day care and nurturing of my children. Society expects my spouse to make enough money to make this choice possible. REPLY: This is true, but home-making is extremely undervalued work in society... just ask any woman who took a year or two off to stay home with her children and is finding it nearly impossible to get back into the work force. From my personal experience, the women I know who are stay-at-home mothers were have husbands who expected them to stay home. If a man wants his wife to continue working after children -- or would want to stay home with the children himself-- he should find a woman who would like that arrangement. I'm certainly one of them.
I can get real nasty when someone makes me mad, and call them ugly, a loser, a nerd, a geek, a disgusting creep, a revolting little worm, a worthless piece of garbage, a scum bag, a wimp, a pervert, a jerk-off, an old fart, or a fat slob. After all, I have the right not to be treated meanly at work, and the right not to hear harsh things that might make me uncomfortable. I have legal recourse if that right is not respected, and I have the right to make this perfectly clear on my job interview. REPLY: Patently false. In fact, women who spew out such things as "ugly, a loser, a nerd, a geek, a disgusting creep, a revolting little worm, a worthless piece of garbage, a scum bag, a wimp, a pervert, a jerk-off, an old fart, or a fat slob" are considered extremely un-lady like and if they said such things to a co-worker in any professional setting worth its salt, she would find her ass down in HR so fast her head would spin.
I’m allowed to embrace and cultivate my spiritual qualities, and adopt a more elevated and more refined view of life - because other people handle all the "dirty work" like: yard work, garbage hauling, construction, fishing, mining, sewage disposal, street cleaning, long distance trucking, baggage handling, painting, sandblasting, and cement work. REPLY: This issue is just about social and economic class as it is about gender. A poor immigrant who has to engage in grueling manual labor can easily put this item on the "Wealth Privilege List."
If I fail at something, I can go to college and study the historical forces and social constructs that make it harder for people like me. If others fail, it’s because they just don’t have what it takes. REPLY: Why can't men do this too? I knew just as many "if you can't do, then teach" male professors as I did female.
If I fail at almost everything, I can always teach college courses that explain why people like me fail a lot. REPLY: See above.

nuuur32 · 2009-08-25T01:22:55+00:00

I think guys don't necessarily care about many of the items listed on that female list. For example the excuse I have for many of them is that it's a failing on the part of the woman, because she thinks that way or is compelled to by societal forces and thus she can be forgiven for it. For example, lashing out at people because her emotions have built up and it's just her first reaction.

The list should really focus on the more intricate details of how a woman gets a buffet table of divorce options from the lawyer, a Gatling gun so to speak of fire power. I believe she still gets this express menu even if the guy initiates the divorce.

Li17 · 2009-08-24T19:28:54+00:00

This was originally posted (or at least the general counterpoint list) in the comments section of the article when it was submitted to reddit, wasn't it?

Is it a good or bad thing I know that?

rockidol · 2009-08-25T01:11:18+00:00

Shh, your not supposed to talk about female privilege that way the feminists can still pretend there's a massive conspiracy keeping them down.

Title	Female Privilege List
Author	kanuk876
Upvotes	73
Comments	45
Date	August 24, 2009 3:22 PM UTC (16 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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