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Important Mens Problems Due To Feminism

anilts8

November 16, 2010

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Title	Important Mens Problems Due To Feminism
Author	anilts8
Upvotes	10
Comments	71
Date	November 16, 2010 11:00 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e77p1/important_mens_problems_due_to_feminism/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/important-mens-problems-due-to-feminism.1045942 https://theredarchive.com/post/1045942

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[–]Feckless 7 points8 points9 points 15 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]fondueguy 4 points5 points6 points 15 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminists created the emphasis on DV and created a theory that put men entirely at fault (it was entirely their creation). They vilified men, created laws exclusively against men (VAWA, mandatory arrest), mistrained people (such as cops and courts) based on wrong thoery/information, and they have ignored and demeaned male victims of DV (while they own the shelters). Feminists have wanted the influence of DV thought to infiltrate all over, to destroy men. Not only will men accused of dv be arrested, but they may lose their job and their kids. And that's just for a man accused of DV. A real bad theme at work here is that violence and crime towards women is much worse than violence to men thus... feminists creation VAWA.

I wont even get into family courts and reproductive rights but feminists have turned men into legal ATMs with little power or rights.

As far as health goes Feminism (all they are is pro women) push for more more benefits for women including women's health. They have done this directly in our government by creating health departments for women which is only seeking privilege since men's health is worse and less funded. Feminism unilaterally pushes for women and has made it politically incorrect to not support any given cause For women. Now you have the NFL supporting breast cancer even though their men desperately need to know about prostate cancer. In the typical feminist sentiment men (the NFL) are supposed to fall in line with supporting women and emasculate themselves while doing it ie. wearing pink. The scenario is not unlike men encouraged to walk in dresses and high heels in support of women because their "masculinity" prevents them from understanding women's needs. You know cause men are so privileged... FFS I'd be thrilled for any women willing to walk for prostate cancer and I wouldnt dare ask her to humiliate herself in doing so. Only in some fucked up feminist society would it make any sense to ask men to degrade their masculinity to help women.

Lastly I'm not sure why men and boys education is missing from here. Feminists are directly responsible for that problem as per "The War OJ Boys".

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Those three options that I laid out are essentially what you said in your statement above, just re-worded.

You said:

Men are more likely to kill themselves by being jackasses

I said:

Men are doing more dangerous stunt or increasingly dangerous stunts

You said:

men are better at killing themselves intentionally.

I said:

Men are getting kamikaze or suicidal

You said:

Men take up more career options that put them at personal risk, such as construction, factory work, misc. manual labor jobs.

I said:

We're getting worse at protecting employees in high-risk occupations

All I did was rephrase your reasons that make, as you said, "perfect sense to me", and got three reasons that you "think none of the 3 options you set forth make any sense".

So I don't know if these reasons make sense to you or not, but I don't think these reasons explain the growing gap between male and female life expectancies.

Life expectancy for a white male in 1920: 56.34 Life expectancy for a white female in 1920: 58.53

Life expectancy for a white male in 2010: 75.6 Life expectancy for a white female in 2010: 80.8

The gap has grown from 2.19 to 5.2 years over the past 90 years. My question is why. My best guess is that we've made great strides in preventing death during childbirth which has increased women's life expectancy and we've made poor headway in preventing suicides. Women actually attempt suicide more often than men, but men are far more successful at it.

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Well, good thing there aren't 5ft tall women in the marines learning to use their body as a deadly weapon and good thing we don't allow women to take sports(much less encourage it while discouraging boys from it) like martial arts....whew, cause if we did that and more then the size difference wouldn't really matter./s

Have you ever been in a street fight? Winning a fight has less to do with size and everything else to do with intention. With boxers and people who train we really look at classes because we know they have training, but with normal fights it's not so clear cut. I have seen short guys climb up one side of a taller, bigger dude and down the other leaving him in a bloody pulp. Add on top of all that that men are fuckng trained until birth not to ever hit a woman under no fucking circumstances....Just think how many times teachers told you that guys, There were several years where we had to wear the white ribbons promising we wouldn't ever hit a girl. The girls were never given the speeches in my experience and even more were often given tacit approval with arguments like the ones above...

I do however think it's interesting how feminists mix and match social theories with biological determinism to get their intended results.

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I thought you were discussing domestic violence and the objective circumstances that lead to such. Really you're discussing a narrow subset of domestic violence and the cultural causes. So whatever.

Well narrow but frequent and severe.

But I will admit that society may be over protective of women and not protective enough of men.

Besides, if you look at data, you know, stuff that really happens, then you'd see your arguments are incorrect

This is what I found trough Google:

Gender trends: Women make up 3/4 of the victims of homicide by an intimate partner. Actually, 33% of all women murdered (of course, only cases which are solved are included) are murdered by an intimate partner. Women make up about 85% of the victims of non-lethal domestic violence. In all, women are victims of intimate partner violence at a rate about 5 times that of males.

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[–]esulcer 1 point2 points3 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Statistics get manipulated every day. Those mean nothing considering the source. DOJ stats show women are more likely to use a weapon to murder their husbands, and initiate violence %70 of the time. What the overall trend shows is that women abuse on a lower level much more frequently and men just hold it in until they snap. Having the ability to have a confidential advisor who cannot be subpeoned in court is handy for false accusors. Also LE is shut out while specially trained nurses do the rape exam.These same nurses do the tests for the accused as well. Cross contamination anyone? Coached testimony? All are VAWA funded industries that kick LE to the side while the fembots prepare thier fabricated evidence. IN spite of the evidence and court rigging only TWO PERCENT of men are convicted of rape. Since wimmins are now claiming one out of three are raped Via "unreported statistics" that means women lie 15 to one about true rape. TL:DR take your false stats to someone dumber.(like a rad fem)

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Right. But men are not in danger for their lives from their partners the way women are.

Correction. Some men are just as some women are. Again your talking about a small subset of victims of DV.

I am saying that DV against women is three times more likely to result in death than DV against men.

So if many more men started to commit DV to their girlfriends but did not murder them so that DV towards women was less likely to result in death For women we would start giving more support to male victims of DV and less support to female victims?

If you are capable of following I used your logic but your rational is obviously flawed. That is not surprising seeing how you are only capable of throwing out loosely associated arguments and you still fail to take an actual stance.

The DV industry does not only revolve around those that are killed (which again includes many men). In fact most of it deals with those who aren't killed or severely injured as that is by far the huge majority which describes DV. This industry includes men getting arrested and punished by the family courts (even when they are the victims), women getting x, y, and z support, and the public being informed on why the violence starts. Women commit DV as often as men is the most important truth the public and government need to know.

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Correction. Some men are just as some women are.

But statistically speaking, most men are not and most women are.

Again your talking about a small subset of victims of DV.

Not sure what you mean by "small subset". Women are more likely to be killed by their partners then by anyone else.

So if many more men started to commit DV to their girlfriends but did not murder them so that DV towards women was less likely to result in death For women we would start giving more support to male victims of DV and less support to female victims?

That would depend on the totality of situation. I would say that is men were more likely to be killed and injured in DV than women, than we should start giving more support and attention to male victims.

If you are capable of following I used your logic but your rational is obviously flawed. That is not surprising seeing how you are only capable of throwing out loosely associated arguments and you still fail to take an actual stance.

I don't know what you base your conclusion on, but my stance has been consistent: Men are more dangerous to their wives than vice versa.

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That's why most divorces are initiated by women, because their so dependent on men...

One explanation for increase in divorces is the fact that women now can leave their husband much more easily.

What about men's vulnerability to women when it comes to the children. That can easily trap men who are victims of DV for fear what the mother may do with the kids. The law and society empower abusive mothers to do this and disempower men in these situations specifically because society and the law has little recognition of women's violence and DV.

That is true. In many divorce cases, allegations of abuse are used for tactical advantage. Still, when fearing for their lives, men are not trapped inside the house unable to leave like women may be. It is not a oh-my-god-if-I-don't-leave-tonight-I-will-be-dead-by-tomorrow type of situation.

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I wont even get into the idea of you comparing pit bulls to humans... wow.

Well you are kind of dismissing the analogy without justification. It does not matter much if you are mauled to death by a poodle or a pit bull, but pit bull is more likely to maul you to death. One is clearly more dangerous that the other.

Reread my last post, it is self evident. "if I get a black eye or broken bone from someone it doesn't matter what strength they have." But you still fail to get the idea and keep arguing something off point. You also fail to define any stance and argue aimlessly.

My point is simple, but apparently I have not illustrated it clearly. Given that your hand is broken, than it does not matter if it was broken by a man or a woman. But if your hand were to be broken in the future, than it is way more likely to be broken by a man than a woman. Men are simply more dangerous than women, especially when it comes to domestic violence.

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