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'It doesn't create equality, it creates separation': Marion Cotillard says there is no place for feminism in the film industry

JohnKimble111

September 28, 2015
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Title 'It doesn't create equality, it creates separation': Marion Cotillard says there is no place for feminism in the film industry
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Date September 28, 2015 1:09 PM UTC
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[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never mind the articles, the comments section on that rag is already up in arms over her 'slight' at feminism.

[–]thefinn12345 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the thing about actors, they tend to want to understand the truth of a matter - at least the good ones - not the partial surface of it.

[–]Drakaris 143 points144 points145 points 10 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

A strong, beautiful, successful woman who doesn't need feminism? BLASPHEMY! Clear case of internalized sexism. Quick, gather the feminazi twitter lynchmob and beat her into submission. She clearly needs feminism, also needs to apologize, the heathen...

[–]DasFreakk 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://i.imgur.com/5KVcT2C.jpg

[–]thelazyarab 42 points43 points44 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

http://imgur.com/OumfXeO

[–]Greg_W_Allan 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

THIS is what trigger warnings are for.

[–]Bwhitty23 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just can't man. . . why does this exist?

[–]alclarkey 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Remember, though she wouldn't be a strong, beautiful, successful woman without feminism...

[–]Ophites 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It appears Reddit's sarcasm meter is broken.

[–]alclarkey 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not completely, as of this comment I'm up 7.

[–]dangerousopinions 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The view amongst feminists is that it doesnt matter if a woman manages to use patriarchy to her advantage, it doesn't hurt patriarchy theory.

The thing that a lot of people here don't understand is that partriarchy is feminisms capitalism. All that is wrong with the world is patriarchy. The entire structure of society is viewed as patriarchal. The destruction of patriarchy alone will bring about a utopia. It's all very much like communist views if capitalism or anarchist views of the state. None of the practicalities are worked out, everything will apparently just be great when there is no "patriarchy".

[–]mng20 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

B-B-B-But she says that at this point in her life she wants to spend more time with her children than out on the next film. She's an example of why part of the supposed wage gap exists. Please tell me she isn't a victim of not being feminist...

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Twitter is rape.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

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[–]xNOM 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's French. She doesn't eat crap processed food.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's lovely, seems like she has a good head on her shoulders too.

Be curious to see what her parents look like.

[+]lasciate -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Plastic surgery, makeup, photo manipulation. Every picture of a woman contains at least one of these.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm talking about the candid street photo.

[–]lasciate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Just a "candid" and definitely unedited photo of a famous actress going for a casual stroll down the street. Maybe snapped by some bystander on a camera phone and obtained by the Daily Mail probably after an exhaustive search for any, any photo of this rarely seen, camera-naive beauty. And what luck she happened to be looking right at the camera at that exact moment. So random.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

candid as in there's not a professional photo shoot going on. it's a paparazzi photo. relax.

[–]lasciate 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

candid as in there's not a professional photo shoot going on

Yes, there is. You don't need to be in a studio to do a professional photo shoot. You just need a professional photographer and a quality camera. It's a promotional image and it has been "touched-up" after the fact.

it's a paparazzi photo

No, it isn't. Erik Pendzich is a legitimate magazine photographer and the picture was taken for a celebrity friendly press agency.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Look, the one of her in the plaid on the street is either no or moderate make up, less than most chicks I know wear, and is taken on the street with no extra lighting or anything. It's just her walking down the street, it doesn't matter who took it. You can look at it and see there's been basically no touching up. None of her facial lines have been softened, no loose hairs removed, nothing brushed no her arms or anywhere. It's as close to candid as you're gonna get.

The one of her at the the red carpet still makes her look like she's in her 20s, even though she's dolled up for the event, that isn't professionally lit or airbrushed either -- she's got make up on and they're both eating a flash but Fassbender is getting the brunt of it.

[+]Hypersapien -12 points-11 points-10 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That would be the plastic surgery and possibly photo manipulation, then.

[–]pigi5 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

According to her, plastic surgery is sad and she'll never have it done. So, if you believe her, no.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She doesn't look like she's had any work done, not even injections.

Not everyone looks like a ball sack by the time they hit their 30s.

[–]mcavvacm 32 points33 points34 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

"Marion Cotillard has confessed she doesn't consider herself a feminist."

Confessed? What, it's a crime/sin now to not be a feminist? Oh deary me.

[–]Mikesapien 18 points19 points20 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Historically, apostasy doesn't go over well with cults.

[–]firstpitchthrow 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Historically, apostasy doesn't go over well with cults.

She would know, since she played the part of a crazy cult leader in the Dark Knight Rises.

[–]Mikesapien 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Batman : League of Shadows :: Marion Cotillard : Feminism ?

[–]firstpitchthrow 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, most Batman geeks think she played Talia in the film, and of course, Talia's motives, and techniques, were all learned from her father. Miranda Tate (like her father's Henri Ducard) was a cover identity. Google "talia in the dark knight rises" and you'll see it, Cotillard was never playing Miranda Tate, she was playing Talia Al Ghul, field commander of the league of shadows, who came to gotham to enact revenge for what Batman did to her father.

So, actually, it is just like feminism. Shadowy, under the cover of darkness, full of treachery and deceit, and then, when its too late, strikes like a venomous snake from the shadows. Talia took over as CEO of LexCorp (during the time Lex was president) and was Lex's hand-picked choice for the job, because the daughter of Ra's Al Ghul was one of the few people on the planet as devious, cunning and evil as Lex was himself.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it is actually. Wait until you see the back lash she'll get from Feminists for this.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]roharareddit 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Let loose the hounds" say feminists.

[–]666Evo 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I knew there was a reason I liked her.

[–]Lethn 36 points37 points38 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

She gets it, feminism is all about the segregation of sexes ( even races ) and ultimately, the domination or annihilation of men, kill those who resist, enslave those who don't.

Yep, I think that about feminism, deal with it, I've been putting up with this shit for too long.

[+][deleted] 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ckiemnstr345 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When the "fringe" are the ones enacting legislation and changing public discourse than they are no longer the fringe. They are the driving force of the group and anyone that denies this is in denial and needs to get their head out of their ass.

[–]Bwhitty23 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No no you don't get it. That is a vocal minority and the moderates are somewhere doing something so yeah those are just the radicals. Fucking hell shitlord learn that feminism is furthering wxmxnkind.

Seriously though even if it is a minority then that means nothing. 49% is a minority but that is more than enough to have an effect on society.

[–]pigi5 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it is just the fringe, the fringe is extremely loud and makes the rest afraid to speak up.

[–]dangerousopinions 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its wierd to me that so few people realize how divisive intersectionality, and identity politics are in general. Race and gender "experts" just drive wedges, they never help the problem they claim to passionately care about.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would they care more about you carrying a label than you being for equality?

I'd pose them that question, if it ever comes up. The importance of the label of "feminism" is silly, to put it mildly.

The way I see it, if you're for equality [of opportunity] and you actually show that in your words and actions then that's all I need. You can call yourself a feminist, or a toaster for all I care.

It won't change my outlook on feminism as a whole, but at an individual level I can respect someone who shows to be about equality despite the label [Sommers for example].

Why feminists who claim it's all about equality feel this desire to force everyone to use the term is beyond me. It seems kind of counter intuitive. Women need freedom, so force them to be feminist... wat

[–]1337Gandalf 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Finally someone else that sees their end game. everyone I know is either a feminist/SJW, or believes they're harmless.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm an Anarchist who understands how central banking works, the greatest scam of the 21st century, they may fool others more easily but not me. It's funny that this woman isn't being fooled easily either and is being lectured by people about them and being called dumb for it lol.

[–]Mikesapien 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would kill to see her debate Femma Watson.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll tell you another thing it does -- it makes me suspicious of female-created products.

[–]Chucklebuck 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

TV and Film is a sexist industry, though.

On the production side of things, you'll usually find an 80%/20% female/male split in any given production office.

[–]mng20 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. That's due to the idea that for a while TV and film were another "boys club" industry that just refused to allow women to work in the industry. There's no way that it had anything to do with the 13-hr work days, the loads of travel in between, and the 6 A.M. call times. Nope, just the guys being shitty guys as usual.

[–]the3rdoption 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Bingo on that across the entertainment industry. My Saturday started at 9am and ended at 3am for Rascal Flatts.

Edit: in the interest of fairness, the master electrician for Rascal Flatts is a woman. And she gets stuff done, efficiently and effectively. There was never any reason to doubt her competence, and she outworked any of the local hands. Yes, she was politely flirtatious... but that doesn't mean much to me, other than that she knows how to make the local crew move without yelling.

[–]mng20 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh absolutely. But because of the grind in both the schedule and amount of work, it's hard to be a mother if you want to be the kind that spends a lot of time with their children. Which is either why when they do get to that point, they leave the industry entirely, or simply become production managers where they have a much more accommodating schedule that fits their lifestyle.

[–]the3rdoption 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. Moms in the industry typically have local gigs. Tied to a studio, or a theatre, or a local production company (as i am. Not as much money as touring, but 26 days of the month I'm in my own bed).

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So? So nursing is sexist? So carpentry is sexist? So babysitting and waitressing is sexist?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So? So nursing is sexist? So carpentry is sexist? So babysitting and waitressing is sexist?

[–]eixan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is the feminist movement strong in france. I mean the french havs advertisements with tits so the feminists might not be too strong over there

[–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering that paternity testing is against the law - I would probably say that its pretty strong

[–]Globalization101 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there is a place where mysogyny could come from .. most likely found flowing from the fruits of feminsim.

[–]EliCaaash 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

As if Marion Cotillard wasn't sexy enough already. What a woman!

[–]Eustace_Savage 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even more reason to love this woman, when I didn't think I couldthan possibly love her more.

[–]funnyfaceking 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The mother-of-one told hos [sic] she now puts family before work. 'I want to spend time with my kid. Because, well it's easier when you have a family and that's the priority,' she said

oops

[–]bashar_speaks -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

MC is a life-long Parisian debutante who has no idea what life is like for normal people. I agree with her but c'mon, she's like a french Gwyneth Paltrow. The other day in an interview I heard her say she didn't even know what a pizza bagel was. Someone who has never eaten a pizza bagel before has no business discussing social justice issues.

[–]Blutarg 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In fairness, are there pizza bagels in France?

[–]the3rdoption 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One would hope not.

[–]Grubnar 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL there exists ... something, that is called a pizza bagel.

[–]Lemwell -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I wish people would stop arguing about different definitions of feminism. By the common definition used by the average person who doesn't really argue about this much feminism is the belief that gender should play no role in opportunity, and that only you as a person should. If one doesn't agree with this I'm gonna be honest I think that's fucked up. Anything that happens that is different between genders on average can be dealt with individually. I'm guessing Cotillard is referring to people in the more divisive areas like the issue of sexual relations, if people are being portrayed in gender stereotypical roles etc. So when people attack her it kind of annoys me be cause she OBVIOUSLY has a different definition of feminism then they do. That's also what annoys me about many mensrights advocates. A lot of good points on both sides, but then y'all seem to think you must be rivals since a few people on each side go way far antagonizing the entire other side.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So where do the feminists fall when they are eroding due process rights for men on campuses? Are those the definition of feminism?

Because if you can change the way campuses infringe upon individual rights and freedoms, then... you clearly are not a "few people" or "fringe". Especially when society as a whole continues to support such things as a result of this supposed "radical minority" pushing false statistics to create hysteria.

If you want equality of opportunity, then feminism is a rival. In many, many, many real ways. It's not a "few people antagonizing". It's real people, creating real inequality with the power they hold.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Blah, blah "you don't understand Feminism" typical bullshit. The idea that FEMINISM is the believe in gender equality is bullshit. That's called believing in equality, egalitarianism, and doesn't require FEMININE to be the basis of the word.

Original Feminism is dead. It succeeded and it is dead. What FEMINISM IS NOW, is the Fascist, misandry filled, power hungry hate group we know now.

And Men's Rights Activists have CONSISTENTLY been the group to try and broach the divide between MRAs and Feminists, but are constantly rebuked by Feminists. How many videos do you need? From Feminists shutting down men's issues conferences by pulling fire alarms, by showing up and screaming and shouting and chanting and blaring horns, to picketing outside an event so no one can get in, to shouting and yelling and calling names and making mugs saying bathing in male tears, calling people neck beards and virgins living in their parents basement, telling MRAs they must have never gotten a girl before, to banning ANY civil discussing in /r/feminism, to calling for people who disagree with Feminism to be censored or fired, to excluding anyone who isn't a female from "safe spaces ----- I mean this goes on and on and on. You need only do a TINY bit of research to discover that MRAs are consistently open to discussions with Feminists, but are never engaged and when Feminists are presented with overwhelming evidence against their claims such as the 1/4 1/5 claim about campus rape, the wage gap being due to discrimination, etc. etc. they call names/cop out/censor/remove themselves from the discussion.

And you most likely, in that fashion, won't even reply to a single one of these points I've just listed, and if you do, will only reply to ONE and will ignore the rest, and simply say "those aren't Feminists" again.

[–]Lemwell 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are right, I'm just saying that pep[;e have different definitions for the word whether they are helpful or not. Eveerything you listed is correct. Original feminism is dead and it did suceed, now eople who believe in those concepts do have things which thy may fight for but they are just general equality isseus and the use of the word feminism to discuss those is simply non beneficial nad odd, but like many other words it isn't used for the actual parts inside the word as it's been a century since the word was created. I will say that both sides do generalize A LOT. MRA tries to talk, extreme feminist gets annoyed. Feminist tries to talk extreme MRA starts calling them a mangina or some other stupid shit like that, and from there on it just escalates. Many MRA's may want to talk ut the few who jsut start calling people white knights and social justices warriors and manginas all the time make feminists hate MRA's causing the cycle to never end. This is clearly seen in the fact that man yof the things you mentioned that are common in the feminist movement are also common in the MRA movement though arguably to a lesser degree.

I'm not gona fix my spelling errors.

[–]pentestscribble 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You mean like the feminists who pull fire alarms when people try and talk about male suicide at CAFE talks? Which definition of Feminism are they using, and are they average feminists?

[–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think he means the women that are content to reap the benefits of oppressing men, but stay silent in criticizing the sisterhood.

Feminism, by any definition of the word, is a hate movement. It has one purpose - to strip the rights away from another human being based on gender alone.

[–]Lemwell 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No it doesn't, many people want to do that, but I know many people who are profeminist movement who don't want to remove rights from others just have equal rights for all. This is a swiping generalization ignoring the vast number of people who don't care about men at all in terms of their goal, who only want to have equal rights and work for that. I think we can both agree they are honorable and many may identify with the feminist movement. This movement is too large for one to say that all in it plan to remove rights from others, there are hundreds of millions of people who identify as feminist (that is a complete guess but I'm guessing it's at 200,000,000) and you and I know that at least 75,000,000 don't want to remove rights from others based on gender. There are vast disagreements within the movement it is simply impossible to for them to have 'one purpose.'

[–]yummyluckycharms 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it doesn't, many people want to do that, but I know many people who are profeminist movement who don't want to remove rights from others just have equal rights for all.

So.....saying or doing nothing while you see someone getting stabbed in front of you is equivalent to being against murder?

Hint: Its not - but it does mean you are ambivalent. In order to be pro something it means you actually do something to support it. Passively standing by while watching a despicable hate crime go down is the same thing as supporting it.

I think we can both agree they are honorable and many may identify with the feminist movement.

Since when does honour and being a member of a hate movement go hand in hand? KKK much?

There are vast disagreements within the movement it is simply impossible to for them to have 'one purpose.'

While its possible that there are some minor differences between the right and the left branch, they are all in agreement regarding the key tenets of the ideology. Any differences that do exist, are only about dividing the spoils of power

[–]Lemwell 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

After reading an article on that I just want to say these two movements might have some of the most ignorant, annoying, and overall stupid members in them. Also to answer your question they are far extreme, putting lives at risk is idiotic, stupid, poorly thought through, and more moronic than those 'black lives matter' (even though they weren't) protesters who interrupted Bernie Sanders. I don't really know why you brought this up they are the ones I was talking about who make MRA's hate all feminists.

[–]EvilPundit[M] -34 points-33 points-32 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

Edit: My apologies. I posted this on the wrong thread.

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's taken straight from the newspaper article.

[–]Grubnar 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What did u/EvilPundit post?!?

[–]EvilPundit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

A comment asking for a more specific title. I have no idea how I managed to get the totally wrong thread.

[–]Grubnar 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe you had many flips opened and just selected the wrong one?

And you got downvoted 32 time for that? Jesus!

I was hoping for something more ... entertaining.

[–]EvilPundit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These things happen.

[–]rantan1618 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its pretty clear what it's about....

[–]Endless_Summer 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you a feminist?

Why are yes or no questions always so hard?

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