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Japan: Scientists create mice with two biological fathers for the first time - in breakthrough that could pave way for gay men to have children in future

furchfur

March 9, 2023
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11837591/Scientists-create-mice-TWO-biological-fathers.html
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Title Japan: Scientists create mice with two biological fathers for the first time - in breakthrough that could pave way for gay men to have children in future
Author

furchfur

Upvotes 144
Comments 78
Date March 9, 2023 12:30 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11mqzew/japan_scientists_create_mice_with_two_biological/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/japan-scientists-create-mice-with-two-biological.1173040
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[–]Character_Pirate_618 103 points104 points105 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Feminists will demand that said technology be banned.

[+]Lilbitchbabey -46 points-45 points-44 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I promise you, if there’s a way to not have to get pregnant to have kids (excluding things like adoption) woman would be the first to want it lol

[–]Character_Pirate_618 61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's comforting. I'd like to see that power removed from women's quiver.

[+]Lilbitchbabey -84 points-83 points-82 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seems like you can’t go two minutes without being sexist lol. Congrats on being a dick

[–]Character_Pirate_618 66 points67 points68 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right back at ya, pussy.

[–]Starmind0 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Found the mad misandrist

[–]sourneck1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

How?

[–]Starmind0 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Based on their comments and comments only, that misandrist clearly came here only to bark at equal rights. That oaf also claimed that women would get it first as if women engaging with men to cause a pregnancy isn't completely advantageous to them thanks to female privilege. Meanwhile this discovery is an amazing step for men in every way.

[–]sourneck1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean idk about all that stuff but I think the point is just that pregnancy is very painful and uncomfortable, so having a baby without pregnancy would be hugely attractive to most women, whereas i imagine most men who want to have a kid with their partner wouldn't mind either way. Assuming the vast majority of children would still be born under hetero relationships, i don't think this will change the privilege/rights situation too much in those cases.

[–]Starmind0 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but men having this option IS beneficial for them. Gay men who want children have to deal with women which means dealing with female privilege. This option eradicates that.

[–]sourneck1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah no shit? No one here has been arguing against that

[–]Starmind0 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Again, based on that person's pattern, I highly doubt they meant "women don't want the physically pain of pregnancy". And it's stupid, unnecessary, and says a lot how women were even brought up in the first place under someone talking about how good of a thing something is for men.

[+]Lilbitchbabey -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Being called a misandrist for pointing out that woman are the most effected by pregnancy, and also you’re incorrect, my entire point was that pregnancy can be severely damaging to the body, so yeah that’s why I made the first comment. Also my other comment in this group was commenting about dumbasses trying to compare masturbation and menstruation. Also it’s ironic to call me sexist when you make comments like “have to deal with woman,” and suggesting that pregnancy is an example of female privilege when history has proved the exact opposite lol

[–]Starmind02 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If you only come here to blather about masturbation vs menstruation then you clearly don't care about men or human rights. And no, it's not ironic for me to say "have to deal with women", women have female privileges. Female privileges can kill, jail, or ruin a man's life.

[–]Ho6org 91 points92 points93 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You guys remember all those tik tok of all those sassy girls talking so confidently about men being useless because they are not needed for breeding? Just asking...

[–]vito_cortatelli556 23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Safely yes

[–]Embarrassed_Wall5306 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah and that disgusting

[–]adriens 44 points45 points46 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can't wait to hire a surrogate dad.

Bet they won't cost as much lol.

[–]engeldestodes 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One last case of beer and a joint before being pregnant and a McIntosh MC1502. Final offer.

[–]xxBlack-Ashxx 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Femz: "We are unstoppable! The govt needs us for babies!... why do I hear boss music?"

[–]Gingerchaun 35 points36 points37 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They spent so much time asking if they could, the never bothered to ask of they should.

[–]No_Chocolate_27191 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I mean, I don't see any problem in that.

[–]WarHawk1902 33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Let's not fall for the same fallacy feminists did, this shit will never go well for the fetus.

[–]Starmind0 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I had a penny for every time someone "let's not do what feminists are doing"...

This is a win for men, especially gay men. It's amazing.

[–]vito_cortatelli556 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps

[–]bloodfuel -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't say never, let's see how it goes first

[–]LeftistYankee 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We’ve finally evolved past the need for women/s

[–]AnFGhoster 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure there will be no unforeseen consequences for an offspring created in such a way.

[–]Confident-Cupcake164 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can we have clones of ourselves?

[+]Laniekea 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand why they're saying that it doesn't require a surrogate. Like it's cool that they were able to create a make using two male genes. But where did it grow?

[–]johanis15 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Give it time, artificial wombs will arrive in the near future, I always thought that the egg problem would be the bottleneck but apparently not.

[–]bilgediver 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"But why?"

[–]AnFGhoster 32 points33 points34 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Science does not ask "why" it asks "who will stop me?"

[–]ARedditorCalledQuest 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Realistically we can learn a whole lot of biology that we didn't know before by doing crazy shit like this. Who knows exactly what we'll learn but chances are it's going to be pretty neat.

[–]vito_cortatelli556 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because we are sick of women to the point we will create a whole new system just to not have to deal with them anymore

[–]AgeOfReasonEnds31120 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"Kill all women!"

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Jk, I'm not a misogynist.

[+]ComradeArthurMorgan -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why is this funny?

[–]Embarrassed_Wall5306 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because a women said kill all men

[–]KazukiYahashi 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg

[–]ChaosOpen 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What they fail to forget is that they needed to use a female egg and plant the zygote into a female mouse in order for this supposed "male only" experiment to work. This is not groundbreaking science, everything we know about reproduction tells us this it's possible, it's just that nobody considered wasting their time on this before. However, with the trans push there is now a need to "scientifically prove cutting your dick off is totally a good idea" and so they made two male mice mate, sort of, most of the process required a female, but two males were involved.

[–]youngj2827 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Read it and not a scientist so I need someone to dumb it down for me.

How do they turn cells into eggs? and I get the sperm part so for the mice these were all test tube babies?

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OK let say in 20 years they are able to make this where gay men can have kids with out surrogate. My feelings is that this will just put away and notion of traditional family that is already dead in the west.

[–]bloodfuel 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People shouldn't be forced to have a traditional family due to their being no other options. They should choose it for themselves.

[–]Minute_Ad_1494 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's so cool. Hopefully in the future women don't even need to get pregnant anymore lol

[+]SeaworthinessAdept98 -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women will be the very cause that will make humanity go extinct.

[–]Minute_Ad_1494 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What 💀

[+]Glass-Dimension-8827 -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Right. I’ve never really wanted children with the physical/psychological risks being 30% why I’m not interested. Pregnancy and post partum can be extremely vulnerable times, and sorry, but go outside and look around you—can’t trust no hoe lol. This makes children maybe…15% more attractive to me.

[–]Minute_Ad_1494 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"This makes children maybe…15% more attractive to me"

Girl find a better way to word that

[–]Glass-Dimension-8827 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope lol, if reading the entire statement it’s fitting. Only people with reading comprehension deficits could turn that into something else

[–]jebar193 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Guess who's playing a lot of SCORN lately?

[–]nineteenletterslong_ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

sporn

[–]Codoro -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would be great for trans people too

[–]energybeans -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

gay

[–]equalRights111 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is this research being funded…

[+]RahXistahh -13 points-12 points-11 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is disgusting and humans should be fighting for understanding between men and women, not for the war of sexes.

Both are different but complimentary and it infuriates me that Marxists from both sides are being louder than any other voice and creating both the problem and their solution (the fight).

[–]Temporary-Duster 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's mostly the ones who believe in Modern Feminism to be Marxists.

[–]RahXistahh -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's no "modern feminism". It has always been the same bunch of crap. Simone du Beauvoir is too old to be "modern". Some lads from the mens rights side have the exact same diagnostic on society as those feminists, just the opposite way (i.e. men are the victims of everything, the oppressed, etc).

The issue isn't in finding who are the actual victims, playing the "oppression game". The solution becomes clear when you understand that the "victims, the oppressed" are the ones attempting to victimize and oppress. They are the problem they tell you is "rooted in society" while pointing the finger at you for the things you haven't done.

[–]Temporary-Duster 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Both genders have been oppressed throughout human history, but yet we only ever care about women's oppression. Which granted is more directed towards physical abuse and sexual abuse.

But men have been forced to go to every war in history, and men were expected to be emotionless as it would dictate that showing emotions is perceived as weak and not masculine. Women and children are loved unconditionally while men are loved when they provide value.

Lastly, us men have allowed Feminism to sprout in Western society to the shitshow it is now because our biology is to factually take care of women as we need them in order to feel fulfilled.
Yet we still allow these feminists to walk around talking about some bullshit patriarchy that 99% of men don't have any control over?

Cause obviously every guy waking up at 4am to pick up garbage is doing it to oppress his bitch at home /s

[–]RahXistahh 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Both genders have been oppressed throughout human history, but yet we only ever care about women's oppression.

Stop playing the marxist oppression game. You get oppressed, I get oppressed, everybody gets oppressed. If everyone is oppressed, then who's really being oppressed? The key is to have every human in a revolting feeling so change "for the better" is forced. Well, look at where the "change" has led you. I'd rather be living my life 30-40 years ago where most of society still believed in traditional family values so finding a woman to share a life with and build a family wasn't a risky act. At least I had that going.

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Women and children are loved unconditionally while men are loved when they provide value.

It will always be like that and the only way to change that is to educate men to go against their nature and stop simping. Women have nothing to do with it, who is giving them unconditional love and value? Men.

Your further analysis is correct, feminism is a plague and men have allowed it to become what it is. That's why my belief is that men's rights should have a discourse focused on men. Focused on talking to men, educating them to better adapt to the current societal circumstances and to better defend themselves in this environment. Talking about women is just a waste of time.

[–]Starmind0 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you're triggered by this, you're the problem.

[–]RahXistahh -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Remember when there was a wall between the ones who embraced marxism and the ones who chose another path? A new wall needs to be built. Nobody needs to be the problem, we simply go to opposite sides and never interact, ever again.

Hopefully the non-marxist side doesn't make the same mistake twice of demolishing the wall. Your side chose to be there after all.

[–]Starmind0 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah yes, because two male mice definitely has a lot to do with marxism and gender wars.

[–]RahXistahh 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can bet it does. This research aims to be an alternative to the traditional and natural process of building a family. It aims to become the reason for "men not needing women and, hopefully (for them), women not needing men".

You need women for many more reasons apart from reproducing and so do women need men, but there's no research on that side about it, rather the opposite. Welcome to the "strong and independent" narrative.

[–]brokenarrow27 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No 👎

[–]CuriousStore39491 points 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Gay men who adopt kids usually end up molesting them

[–]JaggedGreen88 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Proof?

[–]ARedditorCalledQuest 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

MBIC, you can't just throw something like that into the chat without a link to something they backs it up.

[+]nineteenletterslong_ -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

is this really what we should be doing?

i have nothing against men or gays, just, what's the whole point of this?

[+]Ur-Secret-Gay-Lover 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Advancment of science and our understanding of biology. The more we discover, the more we can develop superpowers duh.

[–]Starmind0 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, that's where we're going. And it's amazing.

[+]TracyMorganFreeman -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ugh there is some ignorant biology on sex determination in this article.

[–]Mjk2581 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So uhh… what happens if it gets two Y chromosomes? Omega male? Or does it work like math where two of the same thing multiples means female and two different means male… I don’t really want to know do I

[–]mrduels 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It dies

[–]Mjk2581 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rip

[–]aintshockedbyyou 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh no

[–]Ok-Teaching-983 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did it have 2 wieners?

[–]ResEngineer 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m intrigued, knowing that the male brings X or Y that will determine the sex of the child, what happen in a case of two Y 🤔

[–]Trick-Champion3634 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So Akon was actually right, huh

[–]VahniB 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Although this is (good) news, I won’t believe anything the daily mail says.

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