Observation

maxlvb · 2022-08-28T05:33:58+00:00

My hypothesis would be that clickbait-feminism has done more to radicalise young men than Andrew Tate ever has.

It is impossible to form a stereotype about either of the two primary genders without simultaneously forming a concurrent and complementary stereotype about the other. Or, more simply: misogyny mirrors misandry

We're all stuck in a society where glorifying women and demonising men is what people consider equality.

VerbotenVerb · 2022-08-28T17:05:18+00:00

I recall a quote about this sort of social issue. Something about only extremes remaining when all others are silenced... in other words, if we as a people are unable to express ourselves, our voices - therefore others don't hear us, then what society is left with are two (or more) extremes.... In this case, it's feminists and misogynists. A sort of self fulfilling prophecy. Same goes for politics, etc.

Throw_awayyerr · 2022-08-28T22:15:43+00:00

Andrew Tate is the equivalent to the saying of fighting fire with fire. Agreed he’s a little extreme however it’s nothing compared to what these radical feminist do. I don’t see Tate trying to shame women for going into therapy or seeking help or physically trying to stop a person from entering so they can get proper therapy or the help they need.

Laytheblameonluck · 2022-08-28T07:17:41+00:00

I agree because I read an article discussing Andrew Tate and it described Jordan Peterson as being his predecessor, so to retrospectively justify the unreasonable aggression set upon Jordan Peterson.

Mindless-Spare-2454 · 2022-08-28T13:00:03+00:00

I wouldn’t even say it was extreme feminism, it’s the modern interpretation of modern feminism and the exclusion of men from society as if they aren’t a valued member.

Andrew Tate isn’t the first and won’t be the last man to enter a sphere of male incompetence. It’s not hard to realise that the idea of being a man in society is being decided by people who aren’t men! Men need to get their backbone back and start standing up for themselves.

Jordan Peterson, Joe rogan, Andrew tate. These are just the men that have emerged in the last 2 years. Society doesn’t want masculine men back, masculinity and femininity are not wanted by society. Because they promote a simpler and more straight forward lifestyle! In 2019 7% of British women polled identified as feminist. Feminism is dying, it’s dying because women are realising that feminism is great in concept but in practice it didn’t actually give them the feeling they want. Also, men are starting to realise that women don’t want actual equality! They want superiority, they want the CEO jobs, they want men to still be chivalrous even though there is no need for it anymore.

We will be seeing a lot more of men like Tate, and in the next few years it will only get worse.

YesAmAThrowaway · 2022-08-28T15:57:24+00:00

The fact that the Tate guy says "men are lonely" and then so many people suddenly blindly listen to and defend all of his bullshit because he simply acknowledges something true (you will see a lot of Motte and Bailey fallacies when you see people defending him) says a lot about how society treats male issues. With ignorance. As soon as anybody voices even a shred of sympathy, all flock in in desperation and eat up anything else that's being said to them that reaffirms their impression of the world not being there for them. Aka "you're lonely and ignored, because really you should be the authority". It's a slippery slope and far too slippery than many will admit. Anti-male rethoric also pushes people to seek out guys like Andrew because there is nowhere else to go that is equally popular by means of outrage.

There are good things to turn to, like the dadvocate on tiktok. Lauren is an angel and she gets what it's about. She'll also know other great creators in the pro-male advocacy space like matchoowly. I see them regularly interact and it's great.

wildwolfcore · 2022-08-28T08:17:55+00:00

I mean, the voices of reason have been silenced and oppressed for the last 6 years. So now all that are left are those that either speak the loudest (Jordan Peterson) or those that are the most extreme like Tate. The issue is that the voices of anyone who proposed solutions were attacked. So men either left (MGTOW), became filled with depression (INCEL) or are moving towards Tate as a solution to the growing misandry.

Nixthebitx · 2022-08-28T19:43:41+00:00

Woman here:

When I think of feminism/feminists, I personally believe in it should be the premise of aiming for equality within marriage, ownership of property and finances, voting rights and business stance, legal representation and accessibility, having a voice alongside the male population -

I believe in "I stand beside these men..not in front of, not behind, not under, not over...Beside...in all things, and they accept and respect me in that place I stand."

Men should have a voice without facing hatred and backlash. It's not fair - men speaking up for themselves doesn't equate to a misogynist. It equates to self-defense until proven otherwise. People need to retract their claws from the male population

I DO NOT endorse bashing and belittling men. Yes, there are assholes and misogynists out there; people like Tate with all of his fluff (which is hilarious to me)..there always have been & always will be. There are women of equal appalling ridiculousness and both examples make me embarrassed for them. They look stupid, their messages are stupid. It's a sign of the weak, the immature, the scared and the insecure who shout these kinds of stances to abuse, humiliate, insult, demean, exterminate and/or hate members of the opposite sex. It's like, go ahead and try, you idiots.. the rational rest of us outnumber you 10:1

I'm not powerful because I'm a woman and men are lesser than me. I feel powerful because Im secure in who i am...the men in my life who I've chosen to keep in my life have bolstered that strength out of love, respect. The ones who raised me gave me the tools to understand what I should expect from, give to, understand about men..whether said or unsaid teachings.

The women in my life taught me that female power isn't obtained by stomping our little feet and demanding it through pain infliction or horrid brute force. It's a give and take with everything, not a take and say "fuck you". Treating others like shit doesn't make us powerful - it makes us weak. It makes us pathetic. Radical feminists are weak. Misogynists are weak. What are they afraid of? Their own reflections, that's what.

I cant change them, but I can teach my kids not to be them, and I can stand up to them if I cross paths and see them abusing another without defense, and I can ensure I never act like them, so thats what I do.

g1455ofwater · 2022-08-28T19:49:37+00:00

This made the situation worse for both men and especially women who now have to deal with a lot more misogyny than before

wOmEn ArE tHe ReAl ViCtImS!

Another concern troll allowed on this sub.

Starski09 · 2022-08-28T11:11:56+00:00

I don't even know who this Andrew Tate is. Had to look him up just to see, guess he is some dude from reality tv that makes how to get rich videos and other cringy videos. How do the stupid ones always get the most attention?

melk8 · 2022-08-28T13:17:32+00:00

As a woman, I think Andrew Tate is based asf

mattmilli0pics · 2022-08-28T22:10:59+00:00

Andrew Tate did nothing wrong. If you compared him to the most hardcore feminist on social media he would be a way better person and more open minded then her.

Gunthersalvus · 2022-08-28T07:21:23+00:00

I think there are other good role models on the internet, like Paul Washer, Jordan Peterson, Mike Winger, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, John MacArthur, Todd Friel, Justin Peters, Voddie Baucham…

oafsalot · 2022-08-28T13:15:39+00:00

Do you think this isn't exactly what they wanted to manufacture? They point to the extremists and claim we're all like that to recruit other women into their cult.

DwsBigCock · 2022-08-28T15:58:17+00:00

We need to be more like Andrew Tate. We need to stop trying not to offend women. We need to maybe even say things that we know will trigger them. Women will not get a grasp on reality unless they're faced with it. We've tried for too long to let the womanist movement mold us into the kind of submissive eunuchs that they said they wanted, and yet they still complain. We tried their way. It didn't work. We need to go back to the old ways and be viciously unapologetic about it.

NoCommunication5976 · 2022-08-28T18:33:10+00:00

Yep. There’s literally only Andrew tate, who is extremely rude, Healthy Gamer (Alok Kanojia) who is pretty feminist and doesn’t even address men’s issues, and a bunch of dating channels that are just trying to make a cheap buck. Now, out of all of these, it’s kinda pathetic that the best speaker on men’s issues is Andrew Tate, even though he is extremely rude, and mildly misogynistic.

Crow_Hefty · 2022-08-28T21:03:26+00:00

I don’t think Andrew Tate is that bad . He makes several valid points .

carpeCactus · 2022-08-29T00:27:27+00:00

When one is no longer accepted, they will burn the entire village down. - African Proverb

Juicedejedi · 2022-08-28T16:34:16+00:00

extremely misogynistic? seriously? man get over your fucking self

Bound-Submissive · 2022-08-28T08:50:43+00:00

Andrew Tate is a scum whose place is in prison. His existence is a mistake.

My spouse looks up to Keanu Reeves, who is an Earth Angel. So do I.

Jordan Peterson is much better person to learn from than that criminal Tate. Jordan Peterson is a doctor, who has big knowledge in science and clinical psychology, as well as experience and practice. He is also a professor. And that douchebag Tate can learn nothing of the Knowledge of Peterson neither on the ring nor in the prison, so he can just vanish instead of bothering people with his bullshit.

shakenraken · 2022-08-28T23:19:17+00:00

The sad truth

Kulovicz1 · 2022-08-28T08:52:23+00:00

This may sound like a stretch but Andrew Tate is similar to Adolf Hitler. He preaches to the masses of people who feel lost. Lot if stuff he says is truth, but there is also alot of lies and hatred. But people in desperation ignore that in favour of explanation they want to hear so they flock to their leader.

Andrew Tate is not a disease, he is a symptom.

kiadragon · 2022-08-28T11:23:45+00:00

The manosphere is FULL of men and women who express the same philosophy without such a pushy and arrogant style.

You don't sound like you investigated the Manosphere. I recommend you do some experiencing before you comment on the phenomena.

cjgager · 2022-08-28T15:20:42+00:00

but why would young "troubled" men "look up to" him? what exactly are they "troubled" by - not getting a date? or not being able to have an intelligent conversation with a woman?
believe TikTok and other mainstream media outlets are not partially but fully to blame for not outlawing him. but when a personality is basically given free range to promote themselves & by allowing what their own rules say they are against - it tells people that this is acceptable. everyone wants to make millions by promoting Tate - even "grownup" adults.

ChisPCheddar · 2022-08-28T05:52:25+00:00

Andrew tate says misogynistic BS and it's feminisms fault.

Relevant_Ad_1226 · 2022-08-28T05:35:37+00:00

He’s not misogynistic though you see this is where retarded pieces of sh*t like you just waltz onto this sub knowing absolutely jack shit and completely get it wrong.

GlobalToday703 · 2022-08-29T16:23:02+00:00

Women get to deal with more white knighting than before. Not misogyny. We’ll have to deal with more misandry

Observation

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Title	Observation
Author	One_Ad_3499
Upvotes	444
Comments	186
Date	August 28, 2022 5:29 AM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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