Seriously? Found this headline on Salon.com ...

idders · 2012-07-30T06:19:42+00:00

And found this lovely quote in the comments section: http://imgur.com/Bn4p0

Froztwolf · 2012-07-30T12:29:01+00:00

If society expects men to physically protect the rest of the family, it shouldn't be surprised to find that they are more prone to violence.

plesiosaur16 · 2012-07-30T11:08:30+00:00

If the majority of X are Y, it does not imply that the majority of Y are X. So just because the majority of mass murderers are male does not mean the majority of males are mass murderers. This is one of my pet peeves; you should see how viciously I reacted to any of my students who committed this error. I cannot believe how many people actually make this mistake, nor can I believe how many people just don't bring up this fact in arguments.

Simple math can demonstrate this. Suppose we have a population of 100,000 people; to approximately reflect the male-female breakdown of the general adult population, 49% of these people are male. Suppose 1% of all of these people are mass murderers (most likely a gross overestimate, but this is just to make my point) and suppose, just for shits and giggles, that 99.9% of them are male. Out of this sample, therefore, we have 999 men that are mass murderers, out of the 49,000 men total. 999 out of 49,000 comes out to barely 2 percent; an overwhelming majority that proves, without a doubt, that men are violent.

This is not a nitpicky detail. This is basic math and logic. By the same reasoning, since an overwhelming majority of people who have an IQ over 170 are men (97% of them, if I recall correctly), why don't we also conclude that the majority of men have an IQ over 170?

ThePigman · 2012-07-30T06:27:58+00:00

From cradle to grave (hello Harry Brown ) men are taught to be violent so the question is not so much why men commit most of the violence, it is rather why do women commit so much violence in the absence of a lifetime of conditioning. Most of the serious child abuse, most of the killing of one's own children, DV in lesbian relationships, most of the elder abuse - male violence can be explained by environmental factors but female violence can be explained only be genetics or free will.

EmperorFishFinger · 2012-07-30T15:13:40+00:00

I don't get it - what's so misandristic about the headline? It's just an attention-grabbing question about a popular belief. It didn't say "Why are men more violent?" or "Men are more violent". And you should have linked to the article itself for everyone to see it and judge it by its content and not its headline.

Funcuz · 2012-07-30T17:39:50+00:00

Well , men ARE demonstrably more violent than women are .
Come on ... we're not going to actually pretend that millions of years of evolution just went right out the window the minute feminists starting making wild accusations that ALL men are ALWAYS violent .

Sure , I know this will be downvoted ("Don't point at the elephant in the room ! MRAs don't do that ... only feminists do !") but seriously , get real . There is no bean counter anywhere in the world that is going to tell you that women are statistically more violent than men are .

If you want to argue that women are just as violent ... well , okay , show me the statistics that say women have murdered and assaulted as many people as men have . Maybe they don't do it as much because they can't . Maybe they don't do as much damage when they are violent . Maybe they do it so subtly that we don't catch all of it . Maybe they're not as violent as men because they're not expected to be . Whatever the reason , it's pretty obvious that men are more aggressive and more violent than women are .

Don't tell me that "Oh ! What about that woman in _____ who _____ all those people !?" For every one of those there are fifty men . Just read the damned paper . I haven't said that women can't be violent or that they can't be aggressive but it's so blaringly obvious which of the two sexes is more violent that I find it ridiculous we'd even question it . It takes a lot of self-delusion to convince yourself that women are generally more violent than men generally are . There is no statistic in the world that says that (I SAID GENERALLY !)

Osiiris · 2012-07-30T16:06:35+00:00

sarcasm

This headline is misleading, men and women are equally violent. Men are just better at it, just like committing suicide and getting into car accidents.

end sarcasm

The day we can look upon one another and see no color, creed, race, or religion, but a person. Is the day I will concede that humanity has a future.

MaunaLoona · 2012-07-30T10:33:22+00:00

They forget to mention that the violent men are raised by single women.

AloysiusC · 2012-07-30T18:04:21+00:00

The article is as bad as the title. Here is the link: http://www.salon.com/2012/07/29/are_men_more_violent_salpart/

A_Cat_ · 2012-07-30T18:36:03+00:00

raises questions about why men, not women tend to commit mass murder

no it doesnt...

replicult · 2012-07-31T03:17:17+00:00

I'm going to be honest, it's pretty clear that yes, men are more violent.

Any solutions?

SenorSpicyBeans · 2012-07-30T16:35:00+00:00

Judging solely from my own experience -

Number of women I've met who beat their SO - Dozens

Number of men I've met who beat their SO - One

In which case, no. Men are not more violent.

Legolihkan · 2012-07-30T17:37:07+00:00

Well i mean, he DOES fall into a group of half the population. Coincidence? I think not!

DavidByron · 2012-07-30T21:28:23+00:00

I must have missed their article asking, "Are women cowards?" based on the fact that all THREE people who sacrificed themselves protecting others were men. I guess three men is less representative than one man.

jeny_i_got_ur_num · 2012-07-31T01:22:17+00:00

Well it only makes sense.

This is obviously a mating thing.

Male animals in the wild are supposed to attract the attention of passive female mates. Some do it through colorful plumage, others through violence. Violence originates through male sexual attraction.

So men ARE more violent, but it is still women's fault. Women must amend this by wearing less slutty clothing; if they don't they could be responsible for people getting hurt.

Title	Seriously? Found this headline on Salon.com ...
Author	idders
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Date	July 30, 2012 6:17 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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