Mainly talking about the extremes here, but most of the takes on this sub sound incredibly simillar conceptually.

Guys only care about looks! Women only care about looks! Guys are manipulative, abusive assholes that lock women up in relationships! Women are manipulative, abusive assholes that lead men on for validation.

Women only care about men who can provide financially and serve as an emotional tampon. Men only care about women who are young and obedient.

Girls are sluts riding the dick caroussel until their 30s without wanting to commit. Men after 30 grooming young girls and they re just fucking without wanting to commit.

Women have it worse because of societal expections. Men have it worse because of societal expectations.

Women are emotionally immature. Guys need therapy.

Women are boring and have no personality. Guys are boring and have no social skills.

Guys are pushy and insistant, they l spam you with requests for sex. Girls are pushy and insistant and spam you with request for commitment/marriage.

And both extremes reject ideas such as stoicism and self improvement, claiming either: -it wont work -it takes too long to be worth it -i dont want to have to change

Which boils down to laziness if you ask me. Both sides ask for pity, they really think you should judge a person based on what happened TO them, instead of how they react to it.

I guess my question is, how do any of y all expect shit to change without changing shit yourself? Can you not see how illogical that is? Do you really think legislation will fix those social issues, without effort from the masses?

Is it that hard to accept we re all flawed and we all need to improve?