Do men's standards make them hypocrites?

poppyblu · 2016-09-05T11:04:31+00:00

Good analysis though I think this mainly applies on a large scale to RP and traditionalist types than it does to all men.

I would add:

They tell women their education and accomplishments make them less attractive to men then complain that uneducated and unaccomplished women bore them.

They complain that women feel entitled to be supported by a BB but when she makes her own money she's a "careerist c*nt" (not my words but I've been called that more than once) who can only make a terrible partner.

ThatGreekLady · 2016-09-05T08:20:38+00:00

Men actually want women who don't have opinions of their own (or pretend to not have opinions of their own). Being a blank slate or pretending to agree with them is a useful thing. Men don't want women who disagree with them. Watch what they do not what they say. For example, I am an atheist and my first boyfriend was a Christian and I can tell you our relationship was much better when I was pretending to be Christian. When I at first told him I was an atheist, he laughed at me and didn't believe atheists are real.

Just like when they say they want "empathy" when in reality, the more psychopathic a woman is, the more likely she is to have a lot of men be obsessed with her.

Men also lie and say they want smart women, when in reality a lot of women pretend to be dumber than they are and they have great success (note that men don't really want women that are genuinely dumb either, because really dumb people tend to say annoying things. They however want a woman who PRETENDS to be dumber than she is)

They talk about how they love empathy in a woman yet use women's empathy as an excuse to why they should never vote.

I thought it was because in TRPillers opinion women stop maturing at 18 yet they're also somehow mentally children...Now I don't think women are necessariyl children but if you beleive they have the mental capacity of a child like TRPillers do then I can see why they wouldn't want them to vote.

I don't think TRPillers believe women are empathetic, which is a complete contradiction since a lot of them also say empathy is feminine. I will never understand that twisted logic. Femininity is supposed to be about how women are, if women are not empathetic then femininity has to not be about empathy.

Hotblack_Desiato_ · 2016-09-05T09:14:57+00:00

You're the Qin Shi Huang of straw men. You've got a fuckin' army of them.

stone_opera · 2016-09-05T09:28:26+00:00

I think the men you're referring to are ones who participate in TRP; they are all definitely hypocrites (and maybe a few other choice words.)

As for the rest of the men? They just make up half of the world's population and will all have varying thoughts about women; a lot of the double standards that you have listed really have more to do with patriarchal expectations of how each gender should act; and you're right, it is unwinnable.

One day we all might finally "win", as long as both sexes stop trying to 'play' their normative gender roles; and as long we collectively stops telling people how to live their lives based on their race, gender or sexual orientation.

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ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2016-09-05T12:45:13+00:00

I suppose it would be true that men who have such contradictory, inconsistent, or double standards, as you outline, would be hypocrites.

One might argue that there are plenty of women who embrace hypocritical double standards, where they want to be thought of as strong and independent, while at the same time demanding "chivalry" and "pampering" from the men in their lives.

It's not just when it comes to dating standards; there is a great deal of hypocrisy throughout our society and culture, and most of it is indefensible.

Chuckwagon1645 · 2016-09-05T09:49:40+00:00

They talk about how women lack loyalty yet they are the ones not vetting for loyalty as a trait in an LTR.

This one is a bit tricky because people are notorious for starting relationships with every intention of being faithful yet becoming unfaithful over time. So it's not that easy to vet for.

darksoldierk · 2016-09-05T09:02:41+00:00

Wait a minute, Aren't you generalizing an entire gender?

I know men who love to approach, love the hunt and the chase. I know men who only date women who have opinions on stuff. Everything in that list is an individual's preference with the exception of loyalty. Men don't vet for loyalty because if they did, they would never get laid, much less married. Oh, also, men want women who love children, not women who let their children grow up without fathers because she "fell out of love with him". They want a non confrontational women, but non confrontational in all things. You don't get to say "Men are obsolete things that are in serious need of change in order to return to being relevant" then demand that a man jumps in front of a bullet for you.

That list isn't any different from this. If you want a response to your post, start watching that, and think of a response to justify the contradictions listed in that video. Both lists are flawed in that they generalize on a massive scale.

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betterdeadthanbeta · 2016-09-05T17:37:21+00:00

All i want is pussy and for you to shut up. Why is that hypcrotical?

Red-Frostraven · 2016-09-05T10:28:34+00:00

Men need accomplishments for women to consider them dating material. Women don't. Women who compete, are competition, and for every woman who becomes a manager, one guy gets a harder time finding dates.

Men and women are fundamentally different in several areas. I found out I don't enjoy playing Dungeons and Dragons with geeky girls, because they're playing the game too socially, with too little focus on combat and dice rolling. So we play board games and card games instead. There are feminine boys, and there's masculine girls. There's a wide array of personalities. But the average boy and average girl have quite different preferences even within the same field of interest.

Today, women are winners in school, social winners and winners within dating. People take girls with problems seriously. Thus -- it's considered a greater fuck up for a girl to fuck up, than a boy.

I have no problems with individualistic girls, for as long as they're not heavily into psuedo-sciences. This is a typical case of preference: Some men wants one thing, others wants another thing -- but nobody wants cray cray.

The majority of men don't have options. Literally: I try to date girls, and the only way to actually get a relationship is to dump my standards like an air balloon in a thunderstorm. And even when the balloon hits the rocky shore bottom -- it's a deserted island. And there are no options. There literally are no options. Personally, I just choose to sleep with my ex while waiting for better times, and simply don't go on any dates... but... It's been 5 weeks without talking to a new girl on Tinder despite swiping right on everyone new, updating my profile with even better pictures after my last LTR went down the toilet because she thought my kids were too important to me. Oh. I removed the picture of me with my kid, as well. Women just unmatch me when I tell them I have children anyway.

I hardly know ANY girls who read the newspapers, or interest themselves deeply in any aspect of this world apart from culture, if fashion is to be considered culture. One more instance of preference.

For the above reason -- which applies to most guys as well -- I wonder what could be done to actually improve the political system. It's probably always been like this, and I don't have a problem with empathic women voting, unless they're voting for narcissist sociopaths like Trump, because of tingles. Regardless, another one can be chalked up as preference.

Most men don't have any choices, so we're going to be annoyed with a lot of our dates' traits. Preference.

Men tend to teach their kids to be independent, preparing them for world outside. Single moms don't -- and don't like it when men point out the fact. Hell -- I struggle with my ex letting me teach my kids to be independent, even after their teachers time after time praise my kids' abilities to work independently and get work done without supervision to my ex's face. It's driving me insane: Does she want our boys to live at home with her when they're 22..? I understand the frustration men go through when dating single moms, with kids who've grown accustomed to a soft mother. My kids would've been soft as hell if I weren't there to help my ex let go. She'd sit next to them while they did their homework and help them for hours day in and day out, until I just shut that shit down and taught them to do their homework independently, and critically examine tasks and the resources attached to the taskes before bothering their mother for help. Now she gets to be too tired to sleep with me without spending hours doing their homework. Men are fucked if they date girls with fatherless children: Often, the mom won't let them actually act as the childrens' father, and the kids become spoiled, entitled and annoying brats. And similarily bad: They're forced to act as the children's father. Dating a woman with children is a hornets nest of possible fuckups.

Like many other points in this list, there's preference involved. Some men like self confidence. Some like women who play hard to get. Some like genuinely shy women. As a shy person myself, I love girls with the confidence to approach. They're the only girls that actually make me feel remotely attractive.

A woman's temper is also up to preference. I prefer non-confrontational women who like to talk to ME about their feelings, and whom manages to talk about negative emotions in a calm fashion.

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questioningwoman · 2016-09-05T16:49:51+00:00

That's because right now most men are forced to deal with all the negative bullshit about women and never reap any of the positive aspects of interacting with women

Title	Do men's standards make them hypocrites?
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Date	September 5, 2016 4:14 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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