Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

PurplepillBro · 2016-03-31T17:01:21+00:00

It seems like you don't understand LMR. LMR isn't a hard no. The best advice for a hard no is to stop. Nobody is saying to ignore hard no's and rape women.

LMR is about the soft no. When you seduce a woman, you get little soft no's all the fucking time. They aren't a big deal, and she doesn't want you to stop. She wants you to slow down and win her over better.

Archwinger · 2016-03-31T17:21:17+00:00

You're giving The Red Pill a lot of credit.

The Red Pill didn't create sluts, it didn't create slut-shaming, it didn't create the societal slut-stud double standard, and it didn't create female entitlement. It just uses those preexisting aspects of the world, as well as many other things that currently exist, to maximize sexual success.

There are plenty of people shoveling validation on women without the 100k or so of us doing so. And there are plenty of dudes fucking women right now, besides the 100k or so of us. The Red Pill didn't create any of this.

If every single Red Pill guy stopped all of this, right now, today, there would still be sluts, slut-shaming, and over-validated entitled women. We're a minuscule percent of men. We're not a contributing factor to women sucking. We just play in a world where they suck.

drok007 · 2016-03-31T17:24:17+00:00

Why can't they use sluts for sex, and wife chaste women?

stats135 · 2016-03-31T17:33:27+00:00

BP keeps trying the find some inconsistencies in with "slutshame" thing in the RP. And there has always been one very simple solution. MARRY YOUNG. Take a look at history. Men need sex. But this isn't new. Men have always needed sex. But RP, PUA, and similar groups are a relatively modern invention. Why? Because men in the past did not have such a huge problem getting sex. In the past, every women married shortly after becoming of age and will not say no to sex to their own husbands. So the men are all sexually satisfied and have no need for sexual strategy. And there wouldn't be millions of men using the shotgun approach to get laid.

It's a win-win-win situation. No slut-shame, everybody gets sex, and women don't get "bombarded" for sex. Of course this is assuming women actually want sex as much as men and don't view having sex with her own damn husband a chore. Of course this is also assuming that women don't actually like being showered with sexual attention.

Might I also suggest that instead of trying to fight biology of men's desire for fertility andbeauty that women just start being housewives as well? Instead of making jack shit at the only jobs you can get with you liberal arts degree, and spending it all on wrecking yourself with partying and travelling and what not, maybe you can just stay at home, avoid all the stress altogether and maybe that beauty of yours that you will be judge for won't fade a decade into adulthood. Just a thought you know. Women should give it a try. Follow some stricter traditional roles, and there just might be less issues with the ambiguity in today's modern sexual world about what "no" means. And if women just fucked their own men more there wouldn't be some many thirsty men who would push for sex after hearing "no." Unless of course women actually love the way the modern sexual landscape is, in which case, just keep riding the CC and ignor what men care about, they're pigs anyways.

c_in_macn · 2016-03-31T17:04:41+00:00

TRP is a methodology for success within the confines of modern western society. Just because you believe that women shouldn't be sluts doesn't mean you shouldn't take advantage of the situation if you can.

raindient · 2016-03-31T16:57:21+00:00

Slut shaming is built into every Western religion. TRP didn't start it and we aren't big enough to stop it if we wanted to. The world worked better when a productive, prosocial man could pair off with a woman in a small community and rock her world. Now that's not going to happen, and the consolation prize is sluts who have had better at some point.

alreadyredschool · 2016-03-31T17:31:51+00:00

Fuck, RP really is a toxic misogynist shit show, I never saw it like that. Weird...

It always made so much sense - fuck broad, call her slut, go to the next one, call her a slut too, then claim that all women are sluts.

I never though about how stupid that actually is.

ignore their desires completely while constantly emphasising your own

I always wondered why my plates never called back. But if you put it like that then it sounds like I fucked up there. And to think that I blamed them all the time.

Anthroplogy · 2016-03-31T18:00:50+00:00

That's really the worst of TRP you're describing, or at least it's basic and weighed down with anger-phase junk.

There are lots of ways to look at LMR. I prefer to see it as a way for women to participate in their own seduction scenario, where they put up token resistance and the man is so attracted to her that he has to try just a little bit harder. Women find it sexy when an attractive man experiences strong desire for her and is willing to push boundaries a bit (a bit) as a result of that desire.

Another way to see if is that women need to give themselves an "out", a way to avoid feeling slutty. "Well, I told him we weren't going to have sex but one thing led to another..." She absolves herself, and the sexual forwardness is ascribed to the man.

you should adopt a series of arcane tactics in order to make women available for sex, but once women make themselves available for sex you should condemn them for being sluts, but if they say no you should ignore this. You should then constantly fuck them around, I believe you refer to it as 'plating' them, treat them as absolutely disposable, ignore their desires completely while constantly emphasising your own, and then dump them if they get too uppity or just too old

TRP doesn't advocate slut-shaming women for sleeping with you, though that is something a lot of Redpillers do. There's no point to slut-shaming, it doesn't help you get laid, though it might help dismantle some old BP thinking that's getting in the way of bedding women. To that extent, it helps with getting laid. But it ought to be discarded once the BP ways are thoroughly disassembled.

Only real "no"s shouldn't be ignored, token resistance can be acknowledged and moved past. The difference between a real "no" and token resistance is that a girl wants token resistance to be ignored. If the man stops, she will feel upset and rejected. This is hard to explain to beginners and I do sometimes worry that guys will simply believe that all "no"s are fake. Personally, I've never had to push through a "no", token resistance usually comes in a form like "not tonight", or gently moving away a hand that wanders near a sensitive spot too soon. And there are ways to stop, repeadtedly, throughout the seduction process and even during the act of coitus, and ask the girl how she's doing and if it's ok to continue. But it's hard to do this in a way that doesn't come off as unattractive. I sometimes annoy girls by constantly checking in with them, but in my defense some of the faces they make during the act look a bit disconcerting.

Hell, I've offerred token resistance to women before. I dated a girl (a feminist girl who was very serious about consent, mind you) who was about to make me soil my last pair of boxers. "No" I said halfheartedly, and brushed her away. She went at it again, "stop" I said, weakly, and again resisted a bit. She persisted and I relented. According to a feminist definition, I was raped. But I didn't mind, my "no" and "stop" weren't all that sincere to begin with. I just wanted clean boxers. It was actually kind of sexy that she persisted and I recall it as one of my more fond experiences with her. So I can understand why girls find it hot when guys push past insincere resistance, I find it hot myself. As I said before, though, it takes time to learn to navigate these situations. TRP is usually pretty good about advocating that one err on the safe side, or at least I should hope that people recognize the posts advocating any other approach as so poorly written and thought out as to not warrant consideration in the first place. But I am almost certainly overestimating the intelligence of the average Redpiller.

As for plating, ignoring desires, dumping girls... Well, TRP advocates honesty about a lack of commitment. Most of my plates don't have the greatest opinion of me when things finally end, but they do acknowledge that I was never anything but completely honest with them. I never express a desire to be exclusive, never encourage them to be exclusive with me, and I only address her desires if I want to (which is usually, as long as they don't ask too much. I'm still a human being and I have a sense of decency and reciprocation). It's still inevitable that the girls develop feelings, and I suppose there may be some moral culpability on my part for knowing this and getting involved with girls anyway. That's part of why I don't spin plates anymore.

caesarfecit · 2016-04-01T06:52:48+00:00

You're forgetting one very important thing. Nobody tells the truth about their N-count because it doesn't really matter. It doesn't have any meaning other than what stupid people give it. Women don't like the idea of being promiscuous because it has the same connotations of being a chump or a pushover. Doubly so if they don't feel romantically validated. That's where the "I'm just a sex object" angst comes from - from giving others what they want and not getting your own needs met. Other women have contempt for sluts for the same reason men have contempt for orbiters and white knights.

The truth is that sluts do exist and they are a problem, and not because they sleep around. I think the mark of being a slut is viewing your sexuality like a bargaining chip. That's where the male hate for sluts comes from. You can't trust them, because they use their sexuality instrumentally, rather than honestly - the same way a NiceGuy uses his friendship instrumentally, rather than honestly. They turn it on when they think it'll get them something they want, and turn it off if their covert demands aren't being met. Then they feel like a sex object because they're treating themselves like one.

Real men don't have a problem with women that go after who and what they want, including sexually. It turns men to know they're her choice and and it isn't a whim.

They may not be in a rush to settle down with a chick through which he's Eskimo brothers with a bunch of other guys they know. But ultimately people respect people who respect themselves and don't whore themselves out, for feels or reals. And real sluts don't respect themselves, otherwise they wouldn't have their sexuality out for covert sale.

tallwheel · 2016-04-01T07:41:01+00:00

Just checking, but I presume you are aware of the original game that the Slut Quest game is a parody of, no? I think that isn't inconsequential as a reason for why the game exists in the first place.

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Title	Self-Fulfilling Prophecy
Author	wub1234
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Date	March 31, 2016 4:34 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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