Where are the Feminazis?

ThorLives · 2014-06-06T18:48:49+00:00

I can see this is going to be a productive discussion.

First, it's difficult to determine if someone on the internet, for example, is ugly or has cats and has no kids. You're asking for people to find women (and not just one woman, because that would just be one data-point) who meet all of the criteria simultaneously? That's simply an impossible task.

A lot of the traits you listed are just assumptions, and people love to make nasty assumptions about people they disagree with/hate. (For example, on the other side, there's plenty of assumptions made about men when they say things that feminists strongly disagree with. For example, notice how "his opinion pisses me off" is correlated with how stupid the man is in these images: http://www.buzzfeed.com/emilyhughes/so-youre-a-man-with-an-opinion-about-feminism-yesallwomen - strange how the first man, the pro-feminist man, is portrayed as the most attractive of all the men in the article.) It's a typical propaganda technique to make your "enemies" as ugly and unattractive as possible - and that's something that goes well beyond feminism, MRA, but is a common technique in national and international politics. (For example, I remember seeing two-hundred year-old British cartoons of Napolean, and he was depicted as a short ugly little man, meanwhile, the French depicted him like this: http://www.mcneese.edu/f/c/89d12a8d/napoleon.jpg ) Image is part of the war against ideological enemies.

As far as feminists go, the majority of feminists I know aren't the "man hating" type. For people I know personally, my opinion of their feminism ranges from "yeah, I think it's fair that you're angry about this or that double-standard" to "I think you are biased towards women's problems over men's problems" to "I think you've been mislead about the nature of male/female advantages and disadvantages". None of those are the "man hating" type of feminism.

At the same time, there are some famous, well-known feminists who are pretty nasty towards men. The fact that they are hateful was probably a major driver in propelling them towards doing feminism full-time and it their drive helped them climb the popularity ladder and become major figures in the feminism movement. As a result, they (the hateful feminist) ends up having a louder voice in the feminist movement, whereas the "common feminist" doesn't have that hatefulness.

If you'd like some quotes, here's some. By the way, I know there will be a demand for more quotes as a way of supporting the "this doesn't represent feminism, it's just one hateful woman" argument. I'm not even sure where that "here's enough quote" line would be.

"Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman." - Andrea Dworkin, Our Blood (1976)

Q: People think you are very hostile to men. A: I am. Q: Doesn't that worry you? A: From what you said, it worries them. - Andrea Dworkin, Nervous Interview (1979)

“To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he’s a machine, a walking dildo.” -– Valerie Solanas

“I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig.” — Andrea Dworkin

“Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear” — Susan Brownmiller

“The more famous and powerful I get the more power I have to hurt men.” — Sharon Stone

“In a patriarchal society, all heterosexual intercourse is rape because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.” — Catherine MacKinnon

“The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race.” — Sally Miller Gearhart

“Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” – Catherine Comins

“All men are rapists and that’s all they are” — Marilyn French

I see there are already some Robin Morgain quotes on this thread, so I won't include them here.

I've always considered "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" to be somewhat nasty, as well, since if suggests that men are supposed to be viewed as entirely useless to women. (That quote from Gloria Steinem, by the way.)

It's also worth noting that feminist rhetoric seems to get more nasty as you look at women who are higher up in the feminist movement. It's entirely possible that many of these women had terrible relationships with their fathers (sexual abuse, etc) and with men in general. It seems possible that they are projecting their own personal bad experiences with men onto all men and channeling that into their feminist beliefs.

(BTW, I don't really consider myself "red pill", so maybe I shouldn't be answering the question. Still, I find myself getting annoyed with feminists at times.)

nicethingyoucanthave · 2014-06-06T15:49:14+00:00

When you say "proof" do you want examples? Because I can sure as fuck provide mountains and mountains of examples.

If the RP claim that you're whining about is of the form, "there exists an X that is Y" then an example of X being Y serves to prove the claim. If the claim you think you heard was, "all X are Y" then you can easily disprove the claim by showing an X that is not Y.

It'd be great if you could clarify.

show me their publications

Robin Morgain of Ms. Magazine is a great example.

"I feel that man-hating is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them."

"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage."

"Sexism is not the fault of women - kill your fathers, not your mothers."

Source

Show me proof of their misandry

I wonder if you've heard of the social justice movement? It's pretty much founded on misandry. /r/tumblrinaction has many examples.

assmunchinator · 2014-06-06T16:08:06+00:00

Thats funny that you of all people want proof/discussion/debate. Anytime anybody has asked you to clarify your opinion, respond to a comment, you resort to ignoring and insulting.

If somebody asks you for proof or a link, you respond with:

Google is a wonderful tool. You'll learn more by searching for them yourself.

For example:

http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/26qcwl/discussion_of_massacre_on_npr/chu15fz

and

http://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/23j0kk/feminism_and_mens_issues/cgxhfje

Maybe you should do your own research lynn instead of having others do it for you.

SpaceWhiskey · 2014-06-06T16:13:46+00:00

Heh, come to /r/tumblrinaction, it's hilarious there. Most of the conception of "feminists hate men" "CATS!!1!1!" are perpetrated by a class of internet warriors called the Tumblr SJW. They're mostly very young and stupid, and they're angry at the world. They also have weird ... ideas about themselves, that other personalities live in their heads, or they commune with animals, channel the Earth Mother spirits ... One notable blog had something like all PiV sex is rape, and it's kinda funny, except when it's not.

nicethingyoucanthave · 2014-06-06T16:01:23+00:00

No need to get so worked up, all the gender rubbish you see on reddit is just blown out of proportion, the odds that you'll meet a feminist or MRA in real life isn't very high and if you do, they'll probably just be feminists in name alone.

Feminazis are even more rare. Give it a few more years, you probably wont hear anything feminism anymore or get off the internet.

_Nymphae · 2014-06-06T17:27:17+00:00

Can you provide sources for claims 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, & 8 please?

You're asking for proof for things TRP doesn't say. From a few individuals, sure, but where are you getting the idea that those are all tenants of TRP? Please provide links.

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duckducklandwhale · 2014-06-06T18:56:42+00:00

Dont mind me. Just commenting to reference this thread in the future. It parallels a lot more than is realized.

jacks1000 · 2014-06-06T22:02:31+00:00

Feminism isn't a science. Where does peer-review fit in here?
"Feminazis" "hate men" in the same way that red pillers and MRA "hate women." To quote a fellow blue piller:

If you have certain beliefs, not necessarily political, you can very well fall into the category of misogynist because those beliefs are assigned that title

Following these rules, we merely have to label the views of certain feminists as "misandrist" and thus say that "feminists hate men" for holding those opinions.

Red pillers bitch about women, thus "hate women." The self-described feminists at jezebel.com bitch about men, thus "hate men."

According to the blue piller's logic.

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whatsazipper · 2014-06-06T22:54:41+00:00

EVERYWHERE! THEY'RE EVERYWHERE!!!

Title	Where are the Feminazis?
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Date	June 6, 2014 3:18 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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