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Dealing with depression but maintaining motivation to be a good SO and human being in society.

L7261

March 24, 2014
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Title Dealing with depression but maintaining motivation to be a good SO and human being in society.
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L7261

Upvotes 12
Comments 165
Date March 24, 2014 12:50 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]TempestTcup 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Try taking a couple spoonfuls of virgin coconut oil; it's like a happy pill. Saturated fat keeps my brain happy and on an even keel. You might also try some Omega 3 fish oil.

[–]aaron_the_just 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

A friend introduced me to "butter coffee". Puts the coffee in a blender with a spoon or two of coconut oil. It's delicious and good for you.

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not bad, but I usually take it by the spoonful. I am addicted to raw heavy cream in my coffee and any replacement for that is a sad substitute!

[–]aaron_the_just 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Try a spoon of coconut oil with a bit of (preferably grass fed) butter and your usual raw heavy cream.

There's something heavenly about the combination.

[–]eatplaycrushEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bulletproof coffee not butter coffee :P

[–]eatplaycrushEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i agree. getting more fat in my diet changed a lot of my moodiness.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I actually cook with coconut oil and also use it as a moisturizer for my hair and skin.

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Try using it as a supplement for two weeks and see how your brain likes it.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll try it, thank you for your advice.

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[–]L7261[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

I currently am still on my parents' insurance because I'm a full-time student (working part-time) and they are very much against medication. I used to go to therapy (without my parents knowing) and was able to get generic Prozac (fluoxetine) from the school psychiatrist but that gave me an allergic reaction. Then I went on generic Wellbutrin (bupropion) and that helped me a lot but then my parents found out and now I'm not on it. I haven't been getting treatment for about 3 years now and at first it was ok and then it just slowly got worse and worse. With the distraction of my new(ish) relationship (1.5 years), things were awesome but it has been rearing it's ugly head for the last 6 months or so.

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[–]L7261[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your professional opinion. I'll look into some of those. With my parents though, it's moreso the concept of mood disorders that they are against. They don't believe that a chemical imbalance can make you "depressed" and that you should just deal with things by keeping busy.

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[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I haven't, no. I'll be sure to do that at my next appointment

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I couldn't take St.John's wort but I have known it to help others somewhat. You do have to be careful going out in the sun though, it will make your skin burn faster.

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

How old are you that your parents don't feel you can make your own medical decisions??

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm 22. It's not that they don't believe that I can make my own decisions, it's that if I do this particular thing (get medication/see a therapist/anything to do with mood disorders) they will kick me out of the house. They don't believe in mood disorders. I have other medical issues where they trust me to make decisions the however, they are physical and are determined by blood tests. As long as I rely on their medical insurance and for them to provide a roof over my head (because I'm a full-time student that is completely dependent on my parents), I'm in a position where if I decide to go to therapy or get medication can endanger my (paid-for my by parents) education and my living situation.

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

How did your parents find out you were on it before? HIPPA law absolutely prohibits your doctor from divulging your medical information to your parents since you are over 18. It's serious enough that a doctor could lose their job for telling your parents if you decided to file a complaint. Did they find it in your purse or something?

Some people cannot sufficiently alter their brain chemistry by exercise and maintaining hobbies alone. I am unable to function without psychiatric medication (though we found out my problem goes well past depression, but that's a whole other thing), and though some people with depression can overcome it on their own, not everyone can. I'm certainly not saying to just give up, and I think keeping up with exercise no matter how much you don't want to, and getting yourself out of the house is a good idea. Have you expressed these problems to your SO? Hubs has ordered me to attend "girls night" sort of functions, or activities with friends when he knew I was depressed and didn't want to go at all. I always ended up being glad that he made me do it.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

When you get a prescription filled for an antidepressant you get a letter in the mail from your insurance company saying things like, "depression is a real issue..[blah blah blah]...here are some side effects of [insert drug here]....here are some things you can do to overcome depression.."

Parents got the mail that day.

My SO is aware of everything. He's very supportive but I don't want this to affect our relationship. He's quite literally the sweetest person in the world and he would never tell me to stop talking about it or venting to him but I also don't want it to get to the point where I keep talking to him about it so much. I want to get better for us, not just for me. Our future depends on it. We currently don't live together (as in pay bills together though we spend almost every night together).

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, I've never heard of a doctor or pharmacy sending a pamphlet like that. You could surely request that they don't send anything, but I understand that would still be a risk in case there is an error and they send it anyway.

May I ask why your parents are so upset by this? Even if they don't believe in mood disorders, throwing you out on the street and cutting you off sounds really extreme.

[–]L7261[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I could tell you exactly why they are so adamant about this but the best explanation I can give you is that they come from a mindset that depression does not exist and that antidepressants are wrong. They are pretty strict about this in particular. They were raised in the Soviet Union and I guess it is very much looked down upon there.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's quite common for an insurer to send a letter like that (and also enrol the member in a care plan for depression). Sounds like the OP's parents open her mail.

Support of immediate family is extremely important to dealing with mental illness so I'm glad they care enough to pay attention and have her back.

[–]L7261[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to agree with you on this - I would've been quite shocked if they hadn't reacted the way they did. They did this out of love and concern for me. They were not trying to make my life harder by punishing me.

[–]domesticatedvixen 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have certainly encountered this viewpoint before. Some think that the diagnoses isn't real, so the appointments, medications, etc, are not the way to deal with feeling "blue"... not to mention that there is still a huge stigma associated with mental illness. Sounds like OP's parents think very poorly of psychiatric care, and don't want to support her pursuing treatment by "allowing" her to use their insurance. Though you may be able to keep specific doctor records away from parents, if you are a dependent on their insurance, they will likely receive something showing that you went to an appointment, got medication, etc. I am sure that OP's parents want to be supportive, and this is their way of helping.

[–]domesticatedvixen 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure if this is an option, but I have looked at some of the clinics near me, and without insurance, seeing a psychiatrist is only thirty dollars per visit. It works on a sliding scale, but I took advantage of this as a student, because I was making next to nothing (which put me in the lowest bracket). Drug companies also offer prescription cards for those without medical insurance, to make the drug more affordable (or, to get people to take their new drug rather than an older less expensive one.... whatever! cheaper for me). One of my prescriptions ended up costing less than it would have with insurance. I'm not sure if you are allowed to just not use your insurance and say you don't have it, but it might be worth looking into.

[–]RedPillJohnny2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Forgive my copy pasta but this is a common but very important question that consistently pops up here and other RP subs....and as someone who has felt like you have (but as a man!) I want to help.

Here it is...

I have posted this website here many times...http://www.truehope.com.

I am not a sales agent or a shill for this company. I am a man who has felt they way you feel and I sympathize. I tried everything but the "meds" as well, but until my physical health improved my mental health never did.

The theory behind the supplements is that your mental health will never improve until your body starts functioning correctly. In the case of mental health your body needs to produce the right hormones and chemicals that keeps the physical part of your mental health in tip top shape and once it is depleted (due to depression or anxiety or exhaustion for example) it is sometimes harder to get back up to speed, for some people impossible...especially living in the modern world with depleted soil, depleted nutrient content in food, processed foods and with the toxins that are all around us, which inevitably enter into us...not to mention stress, anxiety, depression, etc caused by non-physical emotional events.

So with the Truehope, it is like a nutrient boost that kick starts the body into working properly. It is mostly composed of minerals with some vitamins and it gives the body what it needs so that it starts functioning properly.

You don't have to use this product (although I do recommend you try if you can afford it, as it is easy, ready to use and is not a pharmaceutical that could fuck you up for life) but the theory still applies to the nutrients and minerals...I think you could even read what the ingredients are on the label and make your own supplements. The only known side effects of these supplements are feeling nausea after ingesting them, due to the stomach not being used to the vitamins and minerals.

When I was feeling low (depression) I tried them and after 3 months I started feeling better. More energy, less negativity, better digestion, and clearer thinking. After 6 months I felt way way better...better than I had since I was 12 years old!

I started to realize that in the last 20 years of my life I had not been functioning properly. I didn't think straight...not as straight as I do now. I was impulsive and emotional and although I gave the appearance of being in control I was at the whim of my impulses and it took a great deal of energy to control myself, a fight I often lost. After taking these supplements for a year I finally felt like myself and I was able to tackle the emotional issues that had sent me into the depression.

There will still be mental issues to deal with but at least you will know that the physical part of your mental health is taken care of.

I think a huge amount of the population in North America are suffering from this type of nutrient deficiency contributing to the large numbers of people being medicated for stress, anxiety, depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. I think this type of problem is pandemic amongst men and women and we need to start eating and living healthier with less chemicals and less processed food.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Awesome. I'll be checking this out.

Just curious, since you've been through it. Do you think it would be wise at all to take an anti-depressant just for a couple of months to keep you from self harming or even suicide but at the same time start supplementing with either the product you mention or a similar mineral/vitamin regimen?

Do you know about or follow Dr.Tent's material

[–]RedPillJohnny2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I am not familiar with Dr. Tent but I will be looking into it now...thanks for the link.

I was told that the Truehope vitamins and minerals in the EMP or EMPower plus product WILL interact with other medicines and they should not be taken together. Even if you are coming down off some anti-depressants it is highly recommended that you do it under medical supervisions because the truth is, the experiments have not been done and interaction between the two could result in some severe nastiness. That being said, try to find a doctor who would even consider Truehope as a viable route as most of them laugh at the thought that nutrition would have anything to do with depression or mental health (which it does)...but that is changing.

If you are not suicidal and not "out of control" I would recommend something like this mineral supplement...it may not work...but it also might! There are no side effects to speak of.

I also believe that we are not all exactly the same inside (just like we look differently outside) and modern medicine assumes that we are...when one medicament may cure someone the same medicament may not or even worse may harm them.

My sister is on lithium (she's bipolar) and it is a simple medicine with side effects that are mostly unpleasant and not associated with long term damage (only from what little I know about it). Anti-depressants that are more complicated can fuck you up for a lifetime! It all depends on how your body chemistry reacts to the "medicine". I used to think that they were ok for people to take so that they could "get their life back together" or to "prevent suicide" but the problem is the mind altering side effects that they may have on you...permanent ones! That is what I am afraid of and from my alternative research on the subject I have come to my own conclusion that ALL of them have the potential to fuck you up for good.

If you watch a few videos on the Truehope you may find the one that talks about how many many seriously mentally ill people, get off their meds over and over again because they hate them...not simply because they are feeling better and think they don't need to take them anymore, but because they hate the way they make them feel. So what good is medicine that makes you feel like shit?

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Antidepressants often carry a higher risk of suicide, especially in people under 25. They are contraindicated for anyone suicidal under age 18.

If you've truly got mental illness issues going on, a drug like lithium, Abilify, Seroquel, or Depakote is going to carry less risk and be more likely to actually help stabilise you.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree with you on this but if someone is in danger of self harming or suicidal and cannot get these wouldn't it be the only alternative at least short term along with cognitive behavioral therapy with the intent of weaning them off the meds?

I was always really against pharmaceuticals and still am but once you're placed in a situation where you have to make the choice of drugs or no drugs vs the person committing suicide, I would choose the drugs until an alternative can be found. Lithium would be the ultimate best solution but it is next to impossible to get in my part of the woods anyway.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Well, self-harming/suicidal is usually made worse by SSRI class antidepressants. They wouldn't even be prescribed by a competent psychiatrist.

In a situation where someone commits suicide, standard care would be to:

  • Confine the individual to an institution to remove them from sources of harm

  • Stabilise patient, usually benzos are used for this

  • Patient attends lots of group sessions, which are quite beneficial

  • If patient seems to be bipolar, start treatment with standard bipolar medication

  • If patient is merely depressive, attempt SSRIs, assess if suicidal ideation increases, if so, use something else.

"Something else" could be anything from tetracyclics to MAOIs. Of course, they carry their own whole new list of unwanted side effects.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

Apparently in the area I'm in now the psychiatrists are incompetent because they immediately gave a minor Prozac. It really doesn't surprise me because doctors now have become nothing other than pill pushers and don't seem to want to get to the root of a problem instead only treat symptoms with pills.

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[–]Lady_Motido 2 points2 points2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Regardless most drugs have some type of side effect and for some it can cause allergic reactions and sometimes even be fatal. I always thought of it as playing Russian Roulette.

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[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

As a pharmacy student do you learn about vitamins and minerals too? Would you be able to tell which supplements might interfere with prescription drugs or even with each other?

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prozac is the only medicine approved for minors, although it still carries a risk of increased suicide.

Some psychiatrists are pill pushers, although a surprising amount now want to try other approaches. The biggest offenders I've seen for pill pushing nowadays are regular family doctors/GPs.

The medical practitioners I've seen who are the least excited about pill pushing are ER docs, ER LISWs, etc.

[–]eatplaycrushEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I agree with Aaron. I thought I had depression because things were so bad internally for me. My SO did not allow me to take it and made me face reality to deal with it on my own. I just don't believe as many people who say they have depression really do. The drug business is one of the biggest profit makers because they hand out drugs like candy. I changed many things to allow my brain to function without being a mess. Hows your diet? Just because you're a health cautious person doesn't mean your diet is in a good place to treat this. Start lifting and doing light yoga/cardio, take a good Multi vitamin and other vitamkns that are known to improve mood, drink plenty of water and avoid sugary drinks. Get more fat in your diet.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I monitor my dietary intake of everything everyday. I see that I get the right amount of proteins, fats, carbs, vitamins, fiber. I have a busy schedule but I jog twice a week and I get a shot of b12 once every other month because I am b12 deficient (I eat meat but my body does not produce enough of the enzyme that digests it so I get it in a form that can be utilized).

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

I have the same problem with B12, I now have to inject every 2 weeks for it to be beneficial. I started out like you every 2 months but it became clear that it was not often enough. The more exercise and stress the more likely it is that you are using up your B12.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I actually at first started once a week, then once every other week, then once a month, and now I'm down to once every other month. According to my most recent blood test my b12 levels are fine. At first I thought it might be that but it turns out that's not the case.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The low end of the laboratory reference range is too low in the US and Canada(not sure about other countries except Japan where they seem to have it just right).

Did they ever check for elevated urinary methylmalonic acid (MMA), homocysteine and/or holotranscobalamin (other markers of B12 deficiency)?

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, I have no idea. I'll have to make an appointment and ask my doctor.

[–]eatplaycrushEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

How do you monitor it? By your TDEE?

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I use MyFitnessPal and I also get regular blood tests.

[–]eatplaycrushEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

MFP is actually not 100% correct. If you did your research on it then you would know. If you don't even know your TDEE then you're not monitoring to the best of your abilities. MFP is a reference tool only.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Oh alright. Which tool would you recommend?

[–]eatplaycrushEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Figure out your TDEE then weigh your foods so you know exactly what you're taking in. Weigh yourself as well. If your weight stays the dame then you have found your bodies maintenance calories and see how you feel going from there. This is what I did and it helped tremendously. MFP is good to plug your stuff in but it is off so I only use it to kind of give me a visual of my day. Macro splits aren't that important to someone who isn't very active, but I would still increase the good fat intake.

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Good fat meaning saturated fats: butter from grassfed cows (Kerrygold is good), coconut oil, bacon grease, etc. NOT vegetable oils which are highly processed and disgusting.

[–]aaron_the_just 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would like to second how delicious and nutritious Kerrygold is.

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Kerrygold smells like Tollhouse Cookie batter to me when I open a new stick.

[–]eatplaycrush1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I could literally eat just the stick. ;)

[–]TempestTcup1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

NOM NOM NOM!

[–]LifterofThings 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hit the gym. Endorphins are good for your mood.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (29 children) | Copy Link

Aren't you old enough to make your own medical decisions? This has to be taken seriously, depression isn't something you mess around with. I sympathize, I've dealt with depression all my life, get help, eat right, exercise regularly and find activities you can at least tolerate to keep yourself busy and out of bed...I know, easier said than done but if you are serious about self improvement you must make this one a priority because it will leech out onto your SO and you don't want that.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

I am (legally) old enough to make my own medical decisions but I will be kicked out of my house if my parents find out that I go to therapy and get medication. I don't make enough money to move out so I'm kind of stuck in this situation until after I finish school and become employed full time (about 1.5 years from now)

[–]swift-heart 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

you're in school. a lot of colleges provide free counselling services to students with mental health issues. try looking into those.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My school has a limit of 6 free sessions a year, while giving no guarantee that you will be seeing the same person each time. My school has unfortunately a flawed system for mental healthy services.

[–]swift-heart 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

mine recently switched to the same system unfortunately. just wanted to make sure you were aware of it.

i think it makes sense to use anything that's available. sometimes working with a new therapist could actually benefit you because of different therapy styles, so you shouldn't feel discouraged if you can't get the same one. i thought i'd respond well to cognitive behavioral therapy because i WANT concrete solutions to things. nope, turns out talk therapy is actually more helpful for some reason. never would have guessed.

i can really sympathize with you, especially on having strict russian parents that don't believe in depression...well it's mainly my mom that doesn't believe in it, my dad comes from a science background so he knows better.

have you looked into meditation at all? it's not a cure but you will feel more peaceful and less likely to get caught up in negative thoughts after doing it. also, i don't think your parents would object to it.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (24 children) | Copy Link

Are you absolutely certain they would do this? You've discussed this with them? What help if any did they offer as a solution to your depression? Is your SO aware of all this?

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

They threatened to kick me out when they found out the first time. The issue is that they don't believe in depression/mood disorders. They come from a culture that represses everything and never complains (former Soviet Union). My SO knows about this but there isn't much that he can do about this. His family comes from a somewhat similar background (Yugoslavia) and while he is sympathetic, there isn't much he can do aside from being generally encouraging.

[–]pinkantlersEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you have my sympathy times a million with the parents situation. I've had periods of mental illness too with a depression & anxiety combo, my mum reckons it doesn't exist and I just need to 'try harder' and not 'be such a downer'. Unfortunately their attitude a) just made me more poorly and b) made me trust them less and tell them less about my life. Sorry I can't help, but you're not alone in that.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Is your SO living with you at your parent's house?

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He lives in the next state over but it's about an hour's drive so he stays over the majority of the week and I sometimes stay over his house.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm at a loss here; other than being deceitful towards your parents which I do not promote I really can't think of anything you could do that wouldn't be devastating to you all. You cannot throw away your education over this and I assume you want to keep the peace with your parents and you can't just move in with your SO. What a conundrum.

In the meanwhile you want to remain a good girlfriend which is difficult to do if you can't get out of bed. Do you exercise everyday? Even a brisk walk would be very helpful as it produces endorphins that you would really need in a time like this. Do you or your SO have a wii or a gaming platform that requires you to move around to play? You could do this together and have the endorphins from that activity help boost your mood with the added advantage of having fun together while doing so.

[–]aaron_the_just -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Your parents are smart. Antidepressants screw people up.

"Mood disorders" are mostly an artifact of the fact people live fat, happy, lazy lives and thus have time to sit around thinking about how sad they are.

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Her parents are absolutely not wise in this. It's very easy for people who have never experienced it to claim it's BS. It's nothing to mess with. How many suicides could have been prevented if kids were allowed to seek treatment? I'm not saying OP, but when someone is a danger to themselves medication is necessary.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Antidepressants have been proven to INCREASE suicides in people under age 18. The only antidepressant approved for minors is (I believe) Prozac, and even then it must be monitored closely.

If antidepressants work so great for depression then why do they increase suicide risk?

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Funny you should ask.

http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/215c7u/eli5_how_do_antidepressants_wind_up_having_the/

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Antidepressants are contraindicated for anyone under 18 who's suicidal, and need to be closely monitored for suicidal people under 25.

Cold, hard, medical facts there. I cribbed this from a care plan, actually.

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Exactly what difference does it make that antidepressants aren't recommended for minors when OP is over 18? I'm also not sure how them being "closely monitored" is supposed to be a deterrent or mean they're dangerous. MANY, perhaps even most prescriptions must be closely monitored when the person first starts on them. For the first 3 months there is monitoring monthly. After that it isn't really necessary unless there's a change.

[–]aaron_the_just1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Have you actually paid attention to anything about suicide risk in people age 18-25 taking antidepressants?

Or are you just going to argue with me and keep advocating how pills are a cure-all for depression, which nobody in the medical field believes anymore?

[–]Bakerofpie1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I didn't say they are a cure-all, but your claims that they should never be taken because depression is fake is not supported by the medical community. Yes, I have researched it, actually. I was incorrectly diagnosed with depression at 12 and have been on just about every antidepressant under the sun before realizing I had a bad diagnosis. I do not now and have not ever taken any mood altering substance without doing thorough research.

[–]aaron_the_just1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Real depression might exist of the sleeps-18-hours-a-day doesn't-shower-doesn't-eat variety.

But it's been a long time since I've seen anyone who claims to be depressed who's actually acting that way.

[–]Bakerofpie1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I completely agree that is over diagnosed.

[–]Lady_Motido1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

There are so many of the "sleeps-18-hours-a-day doesn't-shower-doesn't-eat variety" that when someone has an actual mental disorder it is treated the same way which really isn't beneficial at all.

My take on mental disorders is one of two things, chemical imbalance or deficiencies(mineral, vitamins). The only problem is once it evolves into self harming, harming others or suicidal it's too late to start trying to figure out which one it is, you have to act fast and then start proper treatment from there.

[–]aaron_the_just2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Well, some people intrinsically either have something wrong with their brain (which unfortunately isn't really treatable) - like a schizophrenic, they won't stop having delusions, they can just learn to manage them though.

Or you have people who have learned harmful behaviours. Take someone with PTSD from childhood abuse - the trauma will stay there, although she can learn to stop having panic attacks with CBT

Everyone else, I agree, is just bearing the fruit of poor lifestyle. If I eat enough crap for enough days in a row I start to feel and act like a miserable slob.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Even Prozac increases suicides and from personal family experience, a minor has to be watched 24/7 for at least the first week, a real suicide watch system. As for a minor being 18 and under when it comes to these drugs the young adult brain does not finish growing until mid 20s so the same should be done for people in their early twenties.

[–]aaron_the_just 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet these drugs are doled out like candy by family doctors to women who are 19, 20, 21.

[–]a_killa_kitty1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Questions: is it possible since the pool of ppl that typically need antidepressants are fragile that those statistics are foggy? Those that are already having suicidal thoughts are just crazier than they thought maybe? or the antidepressant works enough to get them out of bed able to fulfill their already in place suicidal thought. I only question medical stats because of all the crap behind them that ppl dont take into account . http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/11/lies-damned-lies-and-medical-science/308269/

[–]pinkantlersEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

you are giving terrible and potentially harmful advice in this thread. Stop.

[–]aaron_the_just -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Really? So what's the cause of the typical mood disorders?

Why is the incidence of mental illness lower in the third world than it is in the U.S.? Why is a man with schizophrenia in Nigeria likely to live longer than his counterpart in the U.S.?

[–]pinkantlersEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Whilst I think being critical to an extent about antidepressants is necessary, some people genuinely do need them.

And telling people that an illness which causes numerous problems in their life isn't real, is not going to be helpful.

[–]a_killa_kitty1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I agree completely with you. Thank you for saying something.

[–]aaron_the_just -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (63 children) | Copy Link

Depression is a goofy made up disease that's an artifact of our modern western culture.

There isn't a good medical cure, either. You're best off (and many medical professionals will back me up) with lifting, sunshine, good diet (get some Omega-3s), and avoiding situations and behaviour that makes you sad. Cognitive behavioural therapy is very helpful, but be aware that's not "talking about my feelings with someone who cares", but instead it's "talking to a professional who will teach me how to ignore my bad feelings".

Antidepressants are mostly harmful.

[–]ceoil 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Heya Aaron, I am in hospital at the moment with mental health issues. I can say clinical depression is not a made up goofy disease. In China (just to show this is not a western agenda) more young people die from suicide then any other thing (here in the west it is generally accidents that are the number one killer of young people). CBT is great for people going through a tough patch etc... and can help people to live and cope with their own conditions as much as possible but, there are people with chemical imbalances. I think depression (or prolonged periods of deep seethed sadness) is across all regions and peoples. Medical cures can ease some peoples problems although I think your idea's about treating them can be helpful in SOME cases it is not the case for all.

(Speaking as someone who does not take meds at all but, does know a lot people in here who do!)

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't take relationship advice from single people, diet advice from fat people, and I certainly don't take mental health advice from someone in a mental institution.

[–]ceoil 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably a good call to be fair haha... but, I am well on my way to recovery and on no meds. But, I do have an insight into the system.

[–]aaron_the_just -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

ceoil, I work in health care too and I've studied this issue to death.

Depression as we know it is mostly a made up disease and is an artifact of affluence.

Also, if you're in a mental hospital for being crazy, why aren't you on any meds?

[–]ceoil 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Not in for being crazy! lol... in for emotional instability in times of distress. Only happens every once and a while but, no meds will be given for it. I live in Ireland we don't think there is a pill for every ill and prescribe things as a finale resort rather then a first stop.

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So if crazy isn't emotional instability, what is it?

[–]ceoil 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

at points in my live usually I am fine but what I perceive as trauma sets it off... something that someone would be upset by deeply would be able to handle but, I over blame myself and start to elf destruct. Its happened 5-7 times in my life with two quite serious attempts at my own life but, I just need tools to handle it.

[–]Lady_Motido1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

PTSD?

[–]aaron_the_just -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I've been distressed and emotionally unstable before, but I've never needed to be confined to an institution.

I'm not trying to make light of your condition--however, I don't think someone undergoing mental health treatment is really qualified to give advice the way you are.

[–]ceoil 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The one thing that I have found is openly speaking about it with people in the same situation helps (group). This is a phase of my life that will be over but, talking to people in the same situation helps

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm glad you're being honest; however, your condition means you don't have much credibility to speak to us about how to best advice the OP on how to handle her own emotional distress.

[–]ceoil 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think that that opinion of mental health patients is why there is so must stigma around the place. Someone who is getting treated for Cancer wouldn't be told she wasn't the best person to tell someone else there story. It is a thing, just an illness, that I am getting through. It is not defying my thought process or making me post insane things; I am actively dealing with a similar problem and succeeding, I think that it makes my opinion at least one to be put into the pot.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, ceoil, a close family member is completely mentally ill (been in institutions for over a year), I also have an ex-gf I loved and cared about very much who had to be hospitalised thanks to suicidal behaviour which was, as far as I can tell, drug-induced.

I don't have a negative opinion of mental health patients. However, I don't think you're a credible person to talk about treatment. You can speak about your own experiences, and it sounds like your advice is "try checking into a facility if you find you're going crazy". Which might not be bad advice.

[–]a_killa_kitty1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You never stated your job in the medical field which gives you such insight to depression. A tech is in the medical field. A phlebotomist is in the medical field. Someone so close minded saying you can speak for everyone who has ever been depressed in the world is faking it seems very ignorant.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Just curious, what work do you do in health care?

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The area I work in is related to designing care plans. For example, if someone gets a liver transplant, there is a standard care plan for ensuring they get appropriate follow up care and don't have an incident which will cost $$$.

I don't want to give too much personally identifying information away; I'm not a medical professional, but I work closely with them every day.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

no worries, I get it and it was just out of pure curiosity.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's given me a unique perspective since we are entirely focused on what works and avoiding what doesn't work when designing care plans.

As opposed to feel-good B.S.

[–]Lady_Motido1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

That's good to hear :)

[–]a_killa_kitty1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So you design plans for liver transplants.....and somehow you feel qualified to give advice or input on depression and its treatment. Ive read lots of Biology and Anatomy books so let me just tell you gall bladder surgery is a drs cash cow. Nobody ever has real issues with it. Every single case is bullshit. Made up issue. Easy surgery. Easy money. Come on. Be a little responsible. Im all for "suck it up and move on" but you are pretending to be very well versed in something through education when you arent. Your specific experience with whomever doesnt erase all the studies etc done on depression.

[–]L7261[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

I understand your point of view and for a while I felt the same way. I have been active all my life and this has been an issue for the last 4.5 years. I eat right (VERY health conscious eater) and exercise and while that does help, it's not enough. Believe me if these things were helping I would not be at a loss here.

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Antidepressants are absolutely not "mostly harmful."

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

  • Increased suicide risk

  • Loss of libido

  • Weight gain

  • Long term dependency

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Welbutrin does not cause weight gain or problems with libido. I'm not sure about suicide risk, but that's mainly a factor in minors and tends to be an issue in the first few weeks of beginning the medication, not an increased risk for the length of time you're on it. As far as longterm dependency I'm not sure where you're getting that, as I have heard the opposite from several doctors whose word I trust over yours.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Also just as a human testimony, Wellbutrin helped me immensely. I didn't experience any negative side effects at all and I was on it for 6 months. When my parents found out, they made me immediately stop taking it and I did have withdrawal symptoms (mostly increased irritability and headaches).

[–]aaron_the_just 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I think your bigger problem here is that you're 22, yet your parents can stop you from taking a medication that was, apparently, working really well for you.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You're correct. They threatened to kick me out if I kept taking it. They also pay for my education and all of my living expenses. They are very strict about this. My older brother was kicked out of the house so I don't think that they are bluffing.

[–]aaron_the_just 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think there's more to this story that you aren't telling us.

My parents, for example, are extremely anti-drug, to the point of believing in goofy conspiracy theories.

But in the event I lived at home, they wouldn't throw me out for taking antidepressants (although they'd probably try to convince me to stop taking them).

If I broke other house rules - like, say, having a girl over! - they'd definitely throw me out.

So, what are you not telling us?

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My parents seem to think that antidepressants lead to taking other drugs and it's a slippery slope from there. My brother smoked weed and they kicked him out for the same reason. So if I say that I'm depressed, I'm making it up so that I can take drugs, become addicted to them and look for other harder drugs.

They give me few boundaries - my bf is over almost every day and is allowed to stay over because he lives a state over and he contributes somewhat to the household, I should let them know where I am if it's late, if I don't finish chores it's a slap on the wrist, they give me spending money as long as they can see where my larger expenses go, etc. But drugs is something they are very adamant about.

[–]eatplaycrush1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Funny because medical marijuana has less risks then 99% of pharmaceutical drugs

[–]aaron_the_just1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Given the absolute destruction I've seen psychiatric drugs wreak on so many people I'm inclined to agree with them.

You might like to read "Warning: Psychiatry Could Be Hazardous To Your Health".

[–]aaron_the_just -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wellbutrin also carries unusually high suicide risk, especially in younger women.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I did not know about this. I was made aware of other symptoms of Wellbutrin like a lower threshold for seizures and I know that antidepressants in general increase the chance of suicide but not that Wellbutrin has a particular effect on women like that.

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In several studies there was roughly a 2-4% change of suicidal thoughts or actions.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Effect is more pronounced on women under 25. This is a recent area of research, and one the manufacturers of antidepressants aren't too happy about - young women are their hunting grounds for new customers.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally I didn't have any increased thoughts of suicide. Maybe if I kept taking it, it could've happened but in the 6 months that I was taking it and still going to my therapist, I didn't experience any negative side effects. I was initially put on Fluoxetine but I had bad reactions to it. Each time I would titrate up 5mg I would have an anxiety attack and then when I went from 15 to 20 I broke out into hives.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

In 2009 I had a severe reaction to Bupropion which is the same as Welbutrin. I had been taking it for about three months when my doctor decided to change it to slow release where instead of taking it twice a day I could take it just the once. I had an extreme reaction to it and ended up delusional and harming myself quite badly. Needless to say I was weaned off the drug and haven't touched anything like that again. This episode has changed me deep inside. I remember most of it and it was extremely frightening.

My doctor had me fill in a form which as she explained would help raise that suicidal risk factor stat for that drug. So yeah, drugs can be very bad for some people anyway. There's a good reason they have the warnings on these drugs, it does indeed happen and not only to minors. I was lucky I survived the episode, a lot of people don't.

[–]BakerofpieEndorsed Contributor 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's certainly not for everyone, and like any other prescription it can carry risks for some people.

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[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It certainly was the weirdest most messed up experience in my life and don't wish it even on a pluepiller ;) I think I recall having very vivid disturbing dreams but only after the episode while they were weaning me off of it. It was so difficult to swallow those first few pills afterwards, I was so terrified it would happen again.

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[–]Lady_Motido1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Thank you :)

[–]a_killa_kitty1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Thank you for stating this. Studies can also have variables that effect the outcome which are ignored or not taken into consideration. his/her statements make me want to poke my fingers into my eyes

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by "eat right"? Are you eating a bunch of whole grains and fruit, or are you eating more Paleo/Primal? Sometimes if you eat a lot of carbs, fructose, or a lot of grains with phytates, it can make you have rollercoaster moods; saturated fats on the other hand helps stabilize your moods.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I eat oatmeal in the morning with nuts, chia seeds, and a tsp of honey, maybe some mornings I'll have some berries instead of the other toppings. For lunch I'll have a salad with either some grilled chicken/turkey/salmon with some green salad, sometimes I'll have a bean chili with some lean protein. For dinner I'll maybe have some grilled asparagus or whatever, with some kale or spinach. I try not to eat too much dairy too often because I get a queasy stomach from dairy. I drink water and tea (I don't like soda). Sometimes I'll make a stew so I'll have that, sometimes I'll have a poached egg and some avocado for breakfast. I'll eat red meat maybe twice a month, sometimes more sometimes less. I make sure that I get b12 other ways (I mentioned in another comment somewhere here). If one day I eat too little of one thing, I'll compensate the next day.

[–]TempestTcup 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Ah, it sounds like you aren't getting any good saturated fats, but you are getting a lot of carbs, phytic acid, and not getting very much animal protein. I was on a diet very much like that for about five years - it almost killed me; I had so much inflammation, and I was manic as all hell.

You might consider improving your diet, reducing the amount of phytic acid (oats, beans), fruits, and increase your red meat (ruminants are the healthiest meats) and saturated fats. Salads and veggies are good, but if your salad dressing is made from vegetable oils (industrial seed oils), you will want to use coconut oil or olive oil.

Since you are an animal, to provide your body with the building blocks that an animal needs to be healthy, you should eat other animals, their fat, and their organ meats. Vegetables are good, but so many of them have poisons like the nightshades and some are irritants like cruciferous vegetables.

Grains, beans and nuts contain phytic acid which binds with other minerals, such as calcium, magnesium, iron and zinc, making them unavailable for absorption by your body. You need these minerals for health.

These minerals that are referred to as "calming minerals" that nourish the nervous system and help prevent anxiety, fear, nervousness, restlessness and irritability. These are the minerals that phytic acid is leeching from your body.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

So well said, I so very second this comment, wholeheartedly!!! If she isn't eating this way it could very well be the main reason behind her depression.

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think so too, but she is really into the government sanctioned Standard American Diet (SAD). I think that if you aren't getting a major nutrient like B12, your diet is a huge problem.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if it's the exact same for her but my body no longer is able to absorb B12 on it's own due to childhood stomach problems. It was found out too late so now I have to inject it sometimes as often as once every 4-5 days if I get overly stressed out or am more active than usual but mostly can go 2 weeks when things are calm. Something else too when you are unable to absorb B12 chances are you need to up your Omega 3s and all your B vitamins. For awhile I also had to inject B1 but somewhere along the lines it corrected itself to the point that I can just take an oral supplement. It's a huge pain in the behind but without it I really go bat shit crazy.

[–]TempestTcup 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you look at her diet, she actively avoids eating animal protein and eats plant proteins instead. I would be willing to bet that a near vegetarian diet is the culprit.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Yikes, you're absolutely right. I wonder how long she's been eating this way? Wouldn't it take quite some time for a vegan to become deficient to the point of needing shots? I won't ever understand people who won't eat animals, we're designed to eat them and without them we become ill and they're so freakin tasty!

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I have read in so many places to limit animal protein as much as possible. Dairy already makes me feel sick and red meat makes my cholesterol skyrocket. On days that I eat oatmeal I don't eat beans and I try to consume more plant based protein because it's has less saturated fat and more unsaturated fat. I read that saturated fats should be limited because of their chemical structure and that they can build up in your system much more than unsaturated fats. According to Wikipedia, the WHO recommends less than 10% of your diet be saturated fats and unsaturated fats should be 20-30% of your diet. Unsaturated fats also lower your LDL cholesterol and lower your risk of diabetes and insulin resistance. I also read that in regards to protein, that as long as you eat all 9 essential amino acids, you can synthesize the other 11 from those 9. So in eating animal protein (where you get all essential amino acids), also beans have plenty of protein, nuts, and legumes in general (chickpeas have 8 out of 9 essential amino acids).

Carbs should be 40% of your diet in general. So I eat protein and carbs in the morning (nuts & oatmeal - oatmeal also has protein because it's whole grain) or egg whites, for lunch I eat some lean animal meat with some roasted veggies in olive oil or something like that, and for dinner I'll eat a salad, maybe with avocado but it'll be mostly leafy greens and not past 8 because I try not to eat late or too much because you should generally eat your bigger meals earlier in the day.

Also I forget where I read it but animal should be consumed no more than once a day.

[–]TempestTcup 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I read that saturated fats should be limited because of their chemical structure and that they can build up in your system much more than unsaturated fats.

You know what kind of fat is in your body? Saturated fat. When you diet, you burn your own saturated fat as fuel. Why on earth would nature make the fat in your body bad for you to burn as fuel? It wouldn't.

Corn, sunflower, and soybean oil, etc which ALL require chemicals to obtain the oil from the seeds and are ALL highly processed, are not better for you than animal fat (like the fat in your own body), which has been eaten by humanoids since the beginning of existence.

Saturated fats are also much more resistant to turning rancid.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

By unsaturated fats I mean naturally occurring ones without having to chemically extract them, like fats in nuts & seeds, avocados, olive & sesame oil (cold-pressed). I'm not talking about processed unsaturated fats.

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Still, good luck! Your brain is high in cholesterol (animal fat!) so if all you are feeding it is vegetarian fat then it will not work properly. Also, seed oils are high Omega-6, so your O-6/O-3 balance will be off.

Obviously your brain is NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY with your current diet, but don't listen to me! You need to take a bunch of weird chemicals and talk to a doctor to feel better about yourself.

[–]TempestTcup 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Good luck with your mental health! You are going to need it!

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand..?

[–]TempestTcup 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You know how you are here at RedPillWomen and we talk about things that are the opposite of what most of us are told from birth? Things like "get married and have your kids young" instead of "sow your wild oats and find yourself while following your dream"?

Nutrition is just like that. Everything you have been told is a big fat lie. Grains have ANTI-nutrients meaning they leech minerals from your body. The reason the government (food pyramid & now Plate) wants you to eat foods bad for you and avoid foods that are good for you (animal products) is so that you can help shore up the Medical/pharmaceutical/insurance industry. Edited to add: also the grain/cereal/agriculture industry.

Why do you think the government is so interested in ObamaCare? Not to help people, but because the medical/pharma/ins industries employs so many taxpayers. If you want GOOD nutritional info start with Mark's Daily Apple and move on from there. It might cure what ails you because obviously what you are eating now isn't going to.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I know it's lame to say this but I'm saying it anyway, I wish I could upvote this more. It's so awesome to see others actually speak out about this. Internet high five

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Standard society's advice is "eat lots of carbs, avoid animal fat, avoid cholesterol".

Standard society is sick and overweight.

[–]swift-heart 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

your post is a bit harshly worded. i don't agree that depression doesn't exist but antidepressants can certainly do more harm than good. i've been prescribed some for anxiety and taking them was unpleasant and not something i want to go through again.

seconding the recommendations of sunshine (maybe a vitamin d supplement if she's finding it hard to get outside) and omega 3. light exercise such as yoga could work for her.

[–]TempestTcup 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The world is harsh.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Antidepressants are very hit or miss when it comes to treating general anxiety disorder. There isn't really a good medication solution at all. Lyrica works for some people, but has a host of side effects. There are some drugs marketed only in Russia that apparently work fairly well.

Other than that you're stuck with benzos, which only work for a few weeks.

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

there is absolutely NOTHING "RedPill" going on on this thread

the red pill REALITY is that no man should be attaching himself to a woman who has "mental illness" because quite simply, these "mental illnesses" involve total and complete self absorption, self indulgence and self involvement and really render a woman an unfit companion for a man. the only RED pill advice to a man who is not married to a woman like this and doesnt have kids with her would be for him to move on.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

there is absolutely NOTHING "RedPill" going on on this thread

Woman wants advice on how to better her situation so that she can be a better woman for her man and this is not RPW? There are over 150 comments and a lot of them very helpful. I see your POV in a way but this woman didn't really qualify as having a mental illness, just depressed and if she at least tried some of the advice given here it just might improve her situation and help her keep her man.

I realize we are not psychiatrists or doctors but as you may have noticed a lot of these women, myself included have dealt with bouts of depression at some point in our lives and have some valid insight into how to overcome it or at the very least have information on things that don't work or are more harmful.

Having depression, anxiety and heck even a straight forward mental illness such as bipolar or schizophrenia etc doesn't necessarily mean you cannot learn to not become a self involved/absorbed person, which is in a very similar way the same as being self entitled. Learning how to be a RPW should in fact help that type of behavior so any woman coming to RPW and who is actively applying the principles should already have a leg up on not fitting your description of women with mental illness; OP proves this by asking for advice, a self absorbed person wouldn't give a shit how their depression affects their SO.

I just want to know how a woman asking for this type of advice differs from lets say one asking about whether she should wear sneakers or high heels? The answers provided to both these examples are geared towards increasing a woman's value right?

the only RED pill advice to a man who is not married to a woman like this and doesnt have kids with her would be for him to move on.

I agree with this but this was not the point of the post. A woman is asking for RPW help not a man asking for RP help.

Anyway, I just wanted to give my 2 cents on this, as usual you are the mods and know way more about what you want and don't want on RPW, I sometimes don't see why some of the posts get removed especially after remaining active for hours and having mods themselves participate :/

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

it was devolving into shilling for some snake oil pills and a lot of speculative bullshit that has nothing to do with rp. it was also starting to become a forum for everyones opinion on mental illnes and depression that was bound to attract our enemies

it was off topic and didnt belong here and not one particle of RP thought or advice was being given on it

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on the reasons for removing the post, I realize you didn't have to justify it to anyone and I appreciate the response.

So no more mental illness/depression talk as well as zero tolerance for "snake oil"... got it.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Just to be clear, Someone specifically shilled a BRAND of snake oil in a big long post . I'm not just describing people discussing various treatments and nutritional advice.

[–]Lady_Motido2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for clarifying this part, I'm still trying to get the hang of forum etiquette, and I had to look up exactly what a shill is. I see now what you mean.

And Dana, you're doing a great job protecting RPW, I sometimes need clarification on some things and sometimes I have a slight difference in opinion and feel safe expressing it among like-minded people, it's in no way an attack on anyone and apologize if it came through that way.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

<3

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's no rule about discussing it. It was in my opinion becoming enemy fodder and I let go on for a long time before deciding it shouldn't stick around for our sick enemies to use against us. That's what I do, try to protect us. I'm not sure why you're angry at me for it.

[–]Lady_Motido1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what made you think I was mad at you? Every word I wrote was sincere and I thought polite as well. I'm always forthright in my comments, I seriously thought you were saying we shouldn't discuss these things.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ooops!! misread tone!

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Good thing I'm infertile then.

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If I had a dollar for every woman who told me she's infertile, I'd be able to afford my child support...

[–]L7261[S] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And if you had a dollar for every woman who told you she didn't have any ovaries because she had ovarian cancer when she was 11, how much money would you have?

[–]aaron_the_just 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I said earlier "there's a lot more to this situation than you're telling us". I was definitely right.

[–]L7261[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Believe me, if it was relevant I would've said so. This current problem started 8 years after.

[–]a_killa_kitty1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Have you had your hormone levels tested?

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