First DATES: Why Rollo is wrong - response to his latest (May 5th) RM Clips

_do_not_read_this_ · 2022-05-06T22:53:06+00:00

He wants you to take her into "mud" trucking dates, The Burning Man and whatever shit you have access to.

Enjoy your 4 hour+ date with someone you just met and know nothing about.

Especially the ride home after realizing three hours ago that you actively dislike this woman.

LazerSpin · 2022-05-06T19:32:44+00:00

My take would be that it depends on your personal skills.

At the end of the date two broad things need to happen:

She needs to be interesting enough for you to continue seeing her
You need to be interesting enough for her to continue seeing you

The first point here is self-explanatory. If a guy's skills are such that he can entice her and leave an impression as part of a regular coffee date then that's great! If that's not the case then you can compensate a bit by having a more unique/interesting date that may require more money/effort on your part.

Filters also play an important part. If someone is heavy on pre-screening then they can go for more "complex" dates because they have fewer of them. If another guy pre-screens very little and thus goes on many more dates it makes sense to keep things simpler on the first outing because the date itself is now part of the screen.

filli1aj · 2022-05-06T22:13:08+00:00

I like this approach as well. Coffee is great for vetting. Low investment, quick, and an easy exit if she’s not hot.

I also agree that the first meet up is not about getting laid. It’s about putting out feelers. I’ve gotten laid on more than a few first meet ups, but that is because there was clear attraction. I guys will be more successful if they enjoy the journey as opposed to rushing to the destination

OnlyCuriosity · 2022-05-06T23:05:07+00:00

He's also speaking against going dutch and says that you must pay for your first date so that she can fall into your "frame"

This is a toxic way to think. Its basically disguising 'frame' as 'because you paid for her, she is obligated to sleep with you'. Kind of like the nice guy 'i was nice, she owes me sex'. Girls also will turn down you paying for this exact reason, they don't want to feel like they owe you something (sex) because you paid (which they shouldnt). unless you're going out with a hooker don't expect sex just for paying. So this is giving off incel, nice guy, implication vibes.

drkinferno72 · 2022-05-06T20:51:30+00:00

Putt putt golf is better than coffee

A_Solo_Tripper_ · 2022-05-07T00:39:12+00:00

I get where you are coming from. And I agree that if a woman wants to be with you, she will bend over backwards to do it. She wont want you to pay for coffee, etc. She'll want the time she can have with you.

However, there are levels to this shit. For example, a report of mine reached out through one of her freinds saying that she liked me. She gave me her number. I called her, and she basically asked me out on a date after work.

We met at a coffee shop, and I may have paid for her coffee, or I may not have. But, we had icecream and coffee for the the first meeting. And she followed me home and I smashed. No lmr.

The main part of that encounter wasn't whether or not I paid, it was that I smashed on the first date, and more.

Again, I get where you are coming from: not wanting to spend a dime on a bitch. I feel you 100%. After some time, you'll be able to feel out if a woman is just trying to see how much you'll spend on here, or if she likes you for you.

Good luck!

Woujo · 2022-05-07T14:47:42+00:00

Geez Louise.

This doesn't need to be a debate. You can take a woman on a date to a dumpster and still smash.

Here is all you need to know:

You should only invite her out to do something you would enjoy doing anyway. You are not putting on a show for her, she is just joining you on the adventure you were on anyway.

You should have an out on any date. You should never put yourself in a situation where you are stuck with a girl you don't enjoy hanging out with. So, no, don't take her to Burning Man.

If you invite a woman to meet you somewhere, you should pay for her first drink. By the second drink, she should be into you enough to want to pay. If she isn't, the date is dead anyway.

Emotionally fun, "action" dates are better than sitting around talking dates. The best dates are when you take her somewhere weird, like a breakdancing competition, a weird art gallery, etc.

Run_Che · 2022-05-06T19:11:33+00:00

If you have different goals, no wonder you have different approaches. Doesn't mean he is wrong.

crisisknight · 2022-05-07T02:05:02+00:00

Sigh.

Let me contribute.

The issue I see in the comments is that people are thinking in absolutes and being a little autismo about the granularity if trying to define this.

(I personally agree with OP mostly so let me identify my bias before I go into things).

From what I gathered, Rollo is suggesting we spend more effort and money on dates while many others (including myself) believe in coffee date strategies.

Really what must be understood is that different women respond differently to different date ideas. Some women may have an arbitrary bullshit standard that men must spend at least $200+ for a first date and we all likely would laugh and walk away from that type of woman as her "standards" might as well read as a classic red flag. Going dutch or not to get them in your frame is another arbitrary point, it all really comes down to the proclivities of each individual woman and their interest level towards you.

Do not paint yourself into a corner ideologically on date protocol around money; generally speaking just be flexible but don't spend more than $20 on a first date getting drinks or coffee. Spending more after that point most likely won't get you laid, and even if you did, was it worth it? Would you want to be around that person again if they're so money hungry? What if she gets "accidentally" pregnant after a first date and kept it (seen this happen before).

In short, don't commit hard limits on this and do what you're comfortable with because every girl is different. I recommend you don't spend more than $20 and you take her for drinks near your house and you avoid all the messiness that comes with Rollo's recommendations.

EYEzEARz · 2022-05-07T04:52:03+00:00

Old Alpha here:

Best first date by far is to a beach.

You want to see what she will bring, if she comes empty-handed dump her quick. She’s telling you she’s a feminist.

Conversely if she makes sandwiches like she’s going on a picnic, brings a bottle of wine or some dessert you know she’s into you, plus she will either buy or wear her best bathing suit. She’s showing her feminine side.

If I told you beforehand that this woman would basically be in a bra and panties in front of you on the first date you would look at that as a victory.

Bearorbullshit · 2022-05-07T00:17:43+00:00

This post reeks of someone who never actually gets laid...I disagree with pretty much everything you said. If you're that concerned about spending a little money on a date, you're overthinking and acting beta.

theredsperg · 2022-05-08T11:02:35+00:00

lol

don't take advice from married men on how to have first dates

thoughtlow · 2022-05-06T23:08:33+00:00

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jhx264 · 2022-05-07T16:49:40+00:00

Nah all that shit is highly platonic.

If you're looking to get friends zoned that's a good start.

And no, it's not because you're paying. You can split the bill at a cute little bistro in a romantic part of town in the evening which is far more conducive to the goal of increasing romantic interest than brunch or a walk in the park in the afternoon.

It has nothing to do with spending money on a woman everything to do with creating a fun romantic occasion that creates the opportunity for sex to happen.

Coffee just does not create this.

Watch coach Corey Wayne he says the same thing

MattyAnon · 2022-05-08T18:04:28+00:00

Unlike Rollo and many more out there, my goal is NOT to get laid

If you have different goals then you can't say Rollo is wrong.

Might be wrong for you, but not wrong.

You want different things so you do things differently. That's your choice. Doesn't mean Rollo is wrong.

xethreborn · 2022-05-07T05:02:40+00:00

My goal is to get whatever I get...with ZERO dollars spend.

So no goals for the date, not even trying to get laid, just that it must be cheap. And completely ignoring that time = money. You simply being there is dollars spent if you are a man of value. Are you? Why do you date? Are you looking for a soul mate?

Let her beta take her to "new experiences".

What? I remember coffee dates from my beta 20's, and it's just about the worst of both worlds. Waste of time. Want in her pants quick? First date in the evening, and get tipsy with her, get a vibe going, invite her back to your place to "watch a movie". Almost always leads to sex if you have frame. Want a soulmate? You're gonna need to give her new experiences and excite her.

edit: "soul mate" should be in quotes because I'm not being literal lol

Hjalmbere · 2022-05-18T12:17:15+00:00

Coffee dates suck. Sitting accross her, no way to escalate. The only good thing about coffee dates is that they're cheaper than dinners. Low energy. If a woman specifically wants to meet over a coffee, she's bad news.

I've bedded women I've taken on a walk in the park. It's great if the weather's good. You both get your blood pumping and you might get to sit down next to her on a secluded bench and escalate.

cetltic · 2022-05-06T21:40:49+00:00

If you is a aplha enough you can pull bitchs from funeral

If not, Action is usuallly better than coffee because of fun aspect

Caesar2022 · 2022-05-07T23:16:06+00:00

I disagree with him about the necessity for social media in modern game. It's a colossal waste of time and won't garner anywhere near as much success as cold approach.

But I digress. On this, he is right. I once took a oneitis out for a walk. She was boring and awkward, and conversation was dry. Something with alcohol to loosen us both up might have had a better outcome. Or something more action based to kill the boredom and stop her pussy from drying up.

Andrew54321 · 2022-05-10T20:23:55+00:00

Man, I’m looking for a long term companion now and part of my vetting process is to ensure sanity. If they don’t pass the sanity check, I want to be as minimally invested as possible, cutting my losses quickly.

revente · 2022-05-11T12:12:48+00:00

TRP idols have gone full circle. So Rollo literally advises to bend backwards and do stupid shit just to impress some random girl?

sortamaybwhatever · 2022-05-17T03:02:30+00:00

Rollo a married simp just ignore dude wears a fucking t shirt with sleeves cut off weirdo

Psychological_Radish · 2022-05-19T03:41:27+00:00

Seriously, wtf is this shite? OP does not get laid, and this post comes across like it was written by a 20 year-old.

Unlike Rollo and many more out there, my goal is NOT to get laid.

"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy"

As I said, OP does not fuck.

Go back to the Relationshits sub

MrBlack__ · 2022-05-21T05:59:00+00:00

You’re wrong.

Every coffee first date I’ve been on is an uphill battle if the woman has any sort of healthy self esteem. As opposed to first dates were we did a drink then activity… I’ve slept with 4/3 and the 4th was yesterday who I’ve only just met so could be 4/4

Rollo knows what he’s talking about, I’ve spent less money on the activity dates because I pay for the activity they pay for the drinks.

Rakosnik · 2022-05-21T12:37:04+00:00

if i invite i pay the first time. she can offer to split which would be a welcomed sign but i still pay it. why is this such a dick measuring issue? if you cant afford it you have other issues to resolve first. coffee is boring. show her one of your awesome secret places (nature, unkown parts of town etc..) make her laugh. escalate. thats it. simple. dont overcomplicate it.

BurntYams · 2022-05-23T00:49:58+00:00

I’m going to say you’re both right. I’ve success with both tactics.

Being exciting on the first date with “action activities” is very effective.

Especially if you’re just in it for the plates and lays.

However, you are also correct in the simple coffee dates and walk-in-the-park ones, it’s effective in the sense that you want to “vet” her as a person and see if you guys actually genuinely get along without investing any of your hard earned resources.

If you guys get to know each other and have engaging conversations and genuinely enjoy each other as a person, and all you did was walk-in-the-park, it’ll be a good experience from there.

tldr; you’re both correct. I do both approaches to first dates.

saiyantmr · 2022-06-21T23:36:12+00:00

Driving around town is the most accessible and easiest date. Your frame, your car that you control. You stop wherever you want, your music, etc

Time spent: your choice

First DATES: Why Rollo is wrong - response to his latest (May 5th) RM Clips

Tl:rd

WRONG

Unlike Rollo and many more out there, my goal is NOT to get laid.

Because what she thinks don't matter. It never does.

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Title	First DATES: Why Rollo is wrong - response to his latest (May 5th) RM Clips
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Date	May 6, 2022 6:57 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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