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[–]harsha_hs55 points56 points57 points 9 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
Women love honesty and directness. This also shows off your confidence.
I saw you and I thought you were (cute, sexy, etc) and I had to come say hello
This says a lot of things about you to her immediately.
Let me go on further to say, whatever sexytimes I had in my life is by asking directly and not by giving flowers in hope of getting sex.
[–]1swaglordobama15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
There'a arguements for both. Direct game forces a snap judgment from the girl and puts a ton of pressure on her, it is really hit or miss.
Indirect + calibration is the best method, imo, because you can start indirect then go direct if the girl seems receptive.
For example:
Excuse me, sorry to bother you, do you know - oh, you're actually kind of cute....
Basically you need to hit social hook point, the girl doesn't know shit about you. If you're going direct you better have a fucking big ass smile on your face, strong voice, good posture, and be dressed at least somewhat stylishly.
Also can't go wrong with Jeffies' "excuse me, i'm the next idiot of the night"
[–]harsha_hs4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for debate. As of my experience, girls are very fickle minded and can change at any moment. There are many times I got flaked on at last moment when all set and scheduled. May be you could gather her receptiveness, trying to build rappo first and so on but it wastes lot of your time and energy. But even after all that your probability of getting laid stays at 50:50, which is same it was to begin with.
[–]1swaglordobama7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
As long as your results are better than they were a few months ago, a few years ago, etc, you're moving in the right direction. It's a journey.
Another thing with direct game, it comes down to congruence. At the start of the night you should be doing indirect momentum/state building openers. At the peak of the night you should be in more of a confident, sexual mood, and you can open with shit like, "Ey! You're the one I want! Who are you?"
On the dancefloor, have fun, don't fucking value scan. Close your eyes, put a big ass smile on your face, dance like nobody is watching. If you want to talk to a girl, give her a non-fuckboy compliment, seed the pull, logistics questions, do some stupid dance games like charades, form a fucking congo line, play limbo, whatever. Pull to bar (seed the pull if you didn't yet), pull outside, pull to food (you did seed the pull, right?), pull to sex.
Girls screen for behavioral cues. Men screen for physical cues. A woman's sexual value is displayed through physical fertility signals. A guy can spread his genes until he's around 70, so his physical appearance means very little, if anything at all (have you fucking seen Luke?). Instead, what matters most is how socially savvy he is, which is displayed through things like social proof and social circle. A girl seeing you surrounded by other girls having fun will do more for your attraction and sexual market value in a given venue than literally anything else. Social status trumps fucking EVERYTHING, and it's exclusive to a given location in a given night.
I am offering a girl more value and fun than she will get anywhere else. I usually invite girls out to party and meet my friends. If they do flake I don't think much of it because I am still going to have a great time. The next day I might send them pictures or stories of my night out, which creates FOMO and usually gets them out the next time, but if not there's another 2-3 new girls the next week. When they arrive, they see I'm best friends with a bunch of gorgeous girls, I know the owner and staff of the venue (usually), my male friends are all cool as fuck, etc. Social circle game is the fucking shit. You forge amazing relationships, you get your platonic female friends bringing girls to meet you, you never have a bad night out. The other night a girl I was out with said to me, "I can't believe how many people you're friends with, it's amazing." Lol. I've been called a "unicorn," been told "I always know what to say," etc.
Kind of rambling here because it's late and I'm starving, but I keep things really casual. I know how to text well enough to get girls out. I can convey enough value and fun that they come to meet me alone, or party with my friends. People I am friends with always tell me how they appreciate having me in their lives, and I reciprocate the gesture. I don't really follow TRP, I just offer carefree, nonjudgmental, positive, fun, and sexual energy and put effort into building relationships with people. Most effective thing I've found is showing girls pictures of you and your female friends, (and always speak extremely highly of them). Also, I love mixing in some silly voice notes with text messages. If you play an instrument you can write them a cute short 15 second long song. If not, "hey check out my british accent! Harry Potter! Mary Poppins!" Everyone loves that shit. Add value to their day, communicate you're fun to be around, and girls will be excited to meet you.
Also don't frame it as you getting laid; it's the two of you having sex together. The girl wants sex, too, but if she thinks you'd judge her for it then she will be reluctant. Always be giving. Give her a high five, give her a compliment, give her a hug, give her a spin, give her a kiss, give her a finger, give her two fingers, give her the dick. Ultimately, give her an experience, but make her earn it. All touch should be dominant and rewarding.
[–]fromthecrypt82 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Great comment, reaffirming what I've found to be true as well. I know of a guy who objectively is nothing to look at compared to me, yet he pulls more quality poon-tang in a few months probably than I have throughout my entire life. Because he's got a big social circle and is socially savvy and dgaf
I think it's an often overlooked point what you're making here, about always be giving, creating a valuable experience for those around you, as opposed to focusing on what blueprint to follow "to get laid" as if it's a treasure you get to after figuring out the right map. Social circle game seems like the most powerful type of game to anyone wanting to become successfull with women. I can only speak for myself, but having been an incel for some time now, it's very hard not being and acting frustrated, and switching completely around and being positive and fun to be around. Sex is literally all I can think about, and I feel I would need to quench that thirst before being able to completely relax and be that fun person you're describing. How to deal with this? Aim at a HB4 just to stick my dick in something (lol)?
What advice would you give to someone who has a social circle of literally zero people who are open to partying? And can you run a mad social circle game without going to clubs, or is that the most effective type of venue for building fun, rewarding social connections fast?
[–]1swaglordobama1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I built my current social circle in about 3 months. The key is that you have to be like the kind of people you want in your social circle energetically.
The first step is just people collecting, finding people who want to go out and do fun things.
Easy way to do this is approach guys and girls and ask them what a good nightlife venues are. If you head to those venues, you will eventually run into those people, because they will recommend the places they like the most.
People are chasing good emotions. Give them good emotions and they will want to be around you.
Next step is to find people who you get along well with. These people are going to be your best friends, and your wings. You friendzone a couple of girls and treat them like your younger sisters. You are not allowed to fuck these girls. You cheer them on when they get laid, you offer life advice, etc. Same as you would a male friend. The difference is you get immense social proof being seen with these chicks.
You tell your friends what kinds of girls you like, you introduce new people to the social circle, encourage people to bring their friends in, etc. What will happen is, as your friends meet girls who fit your criteria, they will invite them out and introduce them to you.
Furthermore, in a club or bar you can tell your wing girls to go talk to a girl and introduce her to you. Female friends love helping you get laid. Just communicate what you want. Be unapologetic about wanting sex. Make a lot of dlv jokes, sex jokes, etc. Have fun.
As you establish a social circle, you will try new venues out. You find places you like, you go there often, you get noticed by the staff and owner, eventually you form a relationship with them and whenever they see you they give you hugs, high fives, fist bumps, etc. Now if you are bringing a girl to one of these places alone, you have social proof.
I love hookah bars and clubs, personally. Clubs are fun to lord, start dance battles, etc, hookah bars are great for relaxing, chatting.
Reason clubs are the best is due to the number of girls and the social vibe.
The key is just finding like 2 key friends who are on the same page. Can be wings, can be normal guys/girls. They should fucking love to go out and party.
The rabbit hole with social circle game goes really fucking deep. This is just surface level shit. If you really know what you're doing, you can get into elite circles, private parties, members only clubs, etc. Btw, hottest girls are usually working on weekends and go to clubs on weeknights. Get to know your city.
[–]fromthecrypt80 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Solid info, but what you are describing really seems to me like getting to mount doom, and I am still in the fucking shire. It seems so difficult to attain. Does all of this go for "older" guys who are in their mid 30s as well?
[–]1swaglordobama0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You just have to do it. It's actually so natural once you get some momentum and experience. Like a kid on a playground asking other kids to be his friend. Finding female friends is literally that simple. Say you just want to be friends (and you better fucking mean it), and always be in a good mood around them.
Age doesn't matter. If anything social circle game gets easier as you get older.
Just focus on being positive and carefree around people. That's a great place to start. Collaboration instead of competition. Inspiration instead of intimidation. Experience instead of investment. These are your frames.
[–]mrpthrowa0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't really follow TRP, I just offer carefree, nonjudgmental, positive, fun, and sexual energy and put effort into building relationships with people.
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A lot of people on TRP are overly Machiavellian, some are burnt from previous relationship so have a lot of lingering anger and emotions they are going through.
Girls are FUN. And you should be FUN. That's the mentality you should have in applying TRP. Girls should feel like they scored a hit and FELT GOOD by being your lay, not that they were cheated out. The reality is that life is fucking cruel to most girls. They keep having their hopes crushed by betas who just don't get it and linger around. The western world is sorely lacking in men who lead, sweep a girl off her feet and just have her HAVE FUN, and are able to have her overcome her own mental blocks while doing so.
Most girls are much of a victim of modern feminism as men are. More so even.
[–]NakedAndBehindYou points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
In my experience, both direct and indirect can work if you do them with lots of confidence, whereas neither works very well if you lack confidence. How confident you are while speaking is far more important than the words you say.
[–]1swaglordobama0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah exactly, most sets you switch between direct and indirect, though. If you are all direct it's too much pressure. If you are too indirect your intent is obscured and the girl gets confused. Need a balance.
[–]aswjacob[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Exactly! Thank you brother for this.
[–]harsha_hs0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks to you brother for helping out other folks!
[–]aswjacob[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks bro, despite the haters and keyboard jockeys I appreciate the guys like you. I do this for you guys.
[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
never say this. it's a compliment. read the sidebar... you never compliment a woman except immediately after sex.
[–]1swaglordobama23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
You're a fucking imbecile.
Stating intent is saying you find her attractive and you want to fuck her.
A bad compliment is saying generic shit like "you're sexy/hot/pretty"
A good compliment is noticing something she has worked hard on or put thought into, like her style, accessories, lashes, posture, etc. Not the basic fuckboii shit.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
i said that saying this is a terrible move:
then you called me an imbecile and said:
you're being self-contradictory.
A good compliment is noticing something she has worked hard on or put thought into, like her style, accessories, lashes, posture, etc.
fuck no. read the sidebar. never compliment a woman except immediately after sex. not even this stuff. if you're complimenting her about anything and it's not immediately after sex, you are a thirsty beta feeding her need for attention. if you can't figure out how to convey that you want to fuck a woman without complimenting her, you need to work on your game.
[–]The_M0rning_Star6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I would argue that if you can't compliment someone without seeming thirsty you need to work on your social skills, not never compliment someone. All you have to remember is to not compliment her body/appearance too much. "I like how you laugh" is always a good one. "You make a good point" is another one.
Besides, I can't think of anything more beta then never attempting to do something just because another man told you not to do it. If you like complimenting women, go for it. If you don't like it, don't do it. Simple. Don't live your life by another man's rules.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
read the sidebar. you completely skipped the section on never compliment a woman except immediately after sex.
[–]The_M0rning_Star2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And you completely skipped my last sentence.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you're advocating wildly uneducated bluepill nonsense that's been well hashed over by TRP vanguards. you are not special. go read the sidebar.
[–]The_M0rning_Star1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I never said I was special...only that I would like to argue that point. I was hoping you'd have something other than "some guy I've never met told me I have to act this way".
[–]KaRzual0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wow, you are so egdy. OP just said you need a way to directly show your interest - if you have better idea, just share it.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
read the sidebar. it's all there.
[–]1swaglordobama0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
2 questions:
Who wrote the sidebar, and what authority do they have on the subject?
How many women do you have in your life? Hell, how many decent people?
You don't know what an alpha is. Bow down.
How to compliment Deep personality compliments Intent manifesto See it in action
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
read my comment history... TRP has allowed me to consistently hold a harem of 5-10 plates for the last 1.5 years. stop spouting bluepill garbage.
[–]1swaglordobama-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You come across like a glorified fuckboy who is carrying around a ton of bitter baggage.
Also lmfao at Todd or Alex being bluepill garbage. You know nothing. TRP is only the surface. Stop thinking in binaries. Watch the videos. Todd is a fucking machine.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you're confusing PUA with TRP. the point of becoming high value is that you don't have to use PUA techniques. i laugh at that shit. women chase me. stop relying on silly PUA parlor tricks. become chad.
also, the bulk of infield videos are fake so get out of here with that bullshit.
and as always, read the sidebar.
[–]Endorsed ContributorMetalgear2222 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
spot on. was wondering if anyone would point this out. I prefer to use my surroundings as an open and after I number close turn burner up on my flirting and ask for a meet up, then use eyes and kino to build sexual tension.
[–]grandmazboy0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Comments like these are why some people think this sub is a joke.
What are you a robot? If you have to tell yourself that you can't comment on a girls hair or earrings because it will drop your chances of getting laid then you're here for the wrong reasons.
Your mindset is wrong. You should be able to say or do anything you want because you can or want to. Not because someone on the internet told you otherwise.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
as i said with literally every one of these shitty responses....
You should be able to say or do anything you want because you can or want to. Not because someone on the internet told you otherwise.
your comment is bluepill garbage. i'm not doing it just because someone on the internet said so. i'm doing it because it works. i have consistently held a harem of 5-10 plates for the last 1.5 years, courtesy of TRP.
read the sidebar.
[–]grandmazboy1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol bluepill or not I think all your comments are garbage. Enjoy your plates fucboi!
[–]1Entropy-732 points33 points34 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
This IME is largely good advice as long as you are not getting all grabby-grabby until the appropriate moment.
An aspect of frame control is to set the stage for how the relationship is going to play out. Being friendly is not the same as being friends (or - ferkrisake - being "just friends"). You have to put sex on the table no later than half-way though the first date, even if you don't act on it.
(Note: there are exceptions and if anyone cares, I can describe in more detail how it took me 2 years or more to get into particular sets of panties, but the rough count is an even breakdown among 1st Date, Second Date and 3rd Date sex.)
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You have to tell how us this 2 year story!
[–]1Entropy-74 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am a Canadian who lives in China. In the final two weeks of my first contract I line up this girl for a few dates. This was just me trying to live it up while in Shanghai for a couple of weeks. I wanted some arm candy.
Opinions vary but I thought she was incredibly hot. The fuck of it was that I thought she would be a bit bitchy and I would have to put up with nonsense just to have her looks and body near me. As it turned out, she was a great girl who called me a "nice guy" (literally, those were her words).
We did dinner and a movie and hit Madame Tussauds. I did not make a move on her because I simply enjoyed her company, and frankly considered her out of my league.
So I get back to Canada and I am thinking that I have to go return . I stay in Canada for another year and then bug my employer to give me another overseas contract.
I get my wish but I am posted to Jinan, which is closer to Beijing than Shanghai, but I arrange my transit through the latter and set up another date.
I say "Hey, I can meet you anywhere" but she says "I will meet you at your hotel". So she does and she comes to my room.
But as we are getting ready to go, she blocks my way, tosses me on the bed and proceeds to fuck my brains out.
And that was that.
It was another year or so and she had moved from Shanghai to Nanchang and I happened to have a business trip to the latter. So I ask my employer for a day of "shore leave" and set up a new date with this girl.
I get the go-ahead and tell her to come and meet me at the 4-star hotel that I am already booked into. She would have none of that and wants a "Lover's Hotel". I track the place down and get a "theme room" with a round bed, Jacuzzi tub, and swinging basket chair.
What can I say? It was epic!
The shit of it is that I could not lock her down. She was a daddy's girl and daddy pulled over a hundred K a year and did not want his little girl to settle for anyone less. I make about 50k so I just didn't qualify.
[–]1Entropy-70 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The second 2-year story is from the Way Back Machine.
My sister introduces me to her best friend who I proceed to take out to parties and such but there was zero sexual attraction.
She was this skinny, geeky girl and I was sort of the same.
I took her out to any party that I was a part of but did not date her.
The thing was, the next summer I did my basic training with the army reserve and packed on 20 pounds of muscle and she - it's hard to say - she "filled out" and got some style.
So here we are at the living space of my mother and sister and you could cut the tension with a knife.
Within a few days we were dating.
[–]chitt127 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sir, please share your knowledge!
[–]FatGirlsInPartyHats12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Guys, seriously. Don't use those example statement of interests. They're gonna fall flat. If we're cringing, they're cringing.
[–]Strum_Gewehr1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They can work if the guy's SMV is higher.
[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
“I’m totally thinking dirty thoughts right now I’m too attracted to you right now please get away from me Stop trying to seduce me Please don’t smile your turning me on I’m so tempted to make out with you right now but I’m going to make you wait
“I’m totally thinking dirty thoughts right now
I’m too attracted to you right now please get away from me
Stop trying to seduce me
Please don’t smile your turning me on
I’m so tempted to make out with you right now but I’m going to make you wait
Damn your game sucks.
You're not wrong about how to not get the friends bullshit, but these statements are weak frame and don't exude confidence. I'm not great looking, not tall as I'm only 5'8 and get rejected on height often. Yet I say far more direct and uncompromising shit to girls all the time. It works. Either I act or I tell her what to do. Show me your tits. Simple, direct, to the point.
Now I do this with girls who I know are attracted to me, and I know they are by reading their body language. Girls invite you to act by their actions. I don't walk up to a girl who has never seen me before and tell her to pop her tits out. Don't be a sperg.
Use innuendo and double entendre to get her thinking about fucking if she does only moderate interest or if your cold approaching. If you don't know what that is, go look it up, I'll wait. You can get her rolling the way you want her to within minutes of meeting her. It can be a comment that leads her to think you're going to eat get pussy, but without saying it. Overtly sexual but has a completely non sexual connotation as well, e.g. double entendre. Sometimes the direct tits or gtfo will work, other times innuendo and double entendre are the best choice. You don't hunt rabbits with a Barret .50 semi auto or a Browning M2. Rabbits you use small calibers, like a .22. Use the right tool.
Never use weak and supplicating bullshit like please don't smile and I'm tempted to make out with you. Holy fuck that kind of shit dries vagina around here.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a very solid rebuttal and I agree with what you're saying.
Goofy and embarrassingly forward will only get you so far unless you are so naturally appealing that the woman will just melt at the mere sight of the guy approaching her.
Judging each interaction on a case by case basis whilst erring on the conservative side when it comes to being dirty is definitely the better strategy.
[–]aswjacob[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
This works for me, has for 10 years and counting. I have built 3 harems using that. My students have also. To each his own, no matter the style look at the results. A lion hurts different then a cheetah, they are both cats yet efficient hunters. Thanks for reading and sharing your opinion.
[–]whuttupfoo2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You should write another post on building and maintaining harems. We need more advanced stuff like that around here.
[–]aswjacob[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Will do. Thanks for that idea.
[–]Phoenixtorment0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This stuff works man.
You have to say it in a playful non-serious way.
[–]meh61354 points55 points56 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Hmm.. I've always thought of it as follows:
If a woman LJBFs me, it's because I wasn't up-front with my intentions with her -- i.e. was hiding the fact that I wanted to fuck her ASAP.
[–]aanarchist27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
i don't like women who if you don't escalate her right away she'll try to beta zone you, it means she's unstable. i don't like fucking just any random i like certain kind of people with certain kinds of energy. i like taking my time and getting to know her, but it's done without any nice guy faggotry validation seeking. the irony is it's the women that get antsy if i don't make a move fast enough and try to get more obvious with the IOIs. truth is women are used to either a dude trying too hard to be alpha douchebag and neg her into the ground, or too beta with 0 energy 0 virility. give her a middle ground by being comfortable with yourself and your own sexuality, she'll be the one trying to game you instead of you having to be a peacock for her.
[–]caP1taL1sm6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ignore the other idiot, this is spot on.
Especially if you're going after 8-10's, you need to portray abundance and be more selective. Qualifying her is how you get the hotties, not walking up and saying she's hot (not that OP's advice is bad on this).
[–]Strum_Gewehr6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The walk up and compliment strat works only if your SMV is higher. Because only compliments from above matter. A schlub will fall flat on his face with this strat.
[+]meh613-11 points-10 points-9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You speak as someone who has no experience outside of reddit with women.
[–]aswjacob[S] 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bingo! You would be correct. That has been my experience.
[–]Kenny_Twenty3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You think they want to just be friends because they don't know YOUR intentions?
Hell no.
If a woman is into you, she's into you whether you like her back or not.
[–]meh6130 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No, we both know. However, by hiding it, I am communicating that I don't see it as fit and proper, when it is just a biological reaction, to find her attractive.
[–]brinkleybuzz1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Solid advice. Not every woman will be attracted to you, but by making your intentions known early you can filter out and avoid wasting your time with the ones who aren't. The biggest problem with being friendzoned is opportunity cost. Time that could have spent gaming a woman who will fuck you is wasted on a woman who won't.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
“I saw you and I thought you were (cute, sexy, etc) and I had to come say hello.”
In what setting? I just got home from a house party where the girls were late teens early 20s and to use the line above would have been cringeworthy unless done in some kind of weird anti-PUA jest. Any girl I might have said that to would have thought, immediately, "Oh my God we have a loser on our hands." Maybe I'm misapplying your advice here.
In public/daygame, I think it's unwise, again, to start with a compliment. It works on average girls but not girls that are so used to male attention that being complimented is almost an insult "Fuck off, I'm pretty sure I know I'm hot shit you moron."
Conversation pieces seem to work better, even highly meaningless ones.
"Are we technically in downtown?"
"Where'd you get your hammock?"
"Is that a good book?"
"You should definitely go with the Ben and Jerrys."
Etc.
[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Conversation pieces seem to work better, even highly meaningless ones
But... the really hot ones already know your intentions the moment you looked at them and approached them. You are not fooling them. They know. They always know...
The point is to make your intentions known from the start. That way... if the girl really thinks its "cringe-worthy", then you know early on, and you move on, to not waste any time...
Like the OP, I am a direct, to the point kinda guy. I have never been in a situation, with the correct eye contact and smile, that telling a girl she was "cute" was ever received so poorly as you describe. (girls spend hours getting them selves all made-up for guys...they crave the attention).
From your description, I am going to assume you are not congruent with your frame and your approach.
Anotherwords... your approach, your walk, eye contact, smile, stand, hands, body language... does not matching your open, what you say (and how you say it) when you tell a girl "Hey..I just saw you sitting here, thought you were cute, and wanted to come over and say hi...what is your name..."
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
Maybe I just think it's cheesy to tell a girl she's cute who might not deserve the compliment in the first place, and then tell her that I wanted to say hi to her--which I've already done. I've never opened that way before after maybe the age of 18, and I do very well.
It'd be fair to say, maybe obvious, that different approaches work differently for different guys. I just feel like compliments are the more beta route to take, immediate banter and shitshooting being preferable.
[–]InstantKarma7067 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If she doesn't deserve to be called cute, why even approach?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What I mean is that she could very easily be a cunt.
"Hi, you're really cute and I wanted to say hi."
"Fuck off asshole."
The interaction begins with you being generous and somewhat appeasing. It's beta shit.
[–]Imjustkidding1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
She'd still be that same cunt at the end of the day if you'd gone slow and indirect. You'd simply have to waste more time to find it out.
Would you really be interested in a girl with such a psychotic reaction to something like a random polite compliment?
Sounds to me like your real concern is that you don't want to deal with rejection and you'd rather invest more time to be let down "softer" which is when the 'LJBF talk' will make an appearance. I think the real "beta shit" is to be concerned with: 1. This girl thinking some type of way about you 2. This girl leaving.
If she was in a single file line of a million girls of equal hotness you wouldn't be wasting so much time with chit chat, and that is what abundance mentality is all about.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think your points are valid. However, I'd say that I'm actually more concerned with seeing that the girl I'm approaching is cool in the first place. In other words, I'm not afraid of rejection as much as I am testing waters to see if this person is even receptive in the first place.
(Of course I'm afraid of rejection--who am I kidding.)
I know different regions of the world may vary, but making light conversation right off the bat in my region is going to be more effective than opening with some sort of direct verbalized expression of interest. Girls in my area do not give a flying fuck if you think they're attractive. They only thing they care about is whether you have something to offer them, and starting with something witty or funny in public is going to demonstrate that value better than some beta supplication, "Hi, I think you're cute."
[–]TunedtoPerfection1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it's not beta supplication to tell an attractive woman, she is just that... but under no circumstance should that be the first thing out your mouth. Those opening honestly only work to stun a girl then you can start gaming her, or better to make fun of the whole explosion of the PUA movement then ask something mundane like where is the bathroom. But you can't just drop a "Wow your so hot" in her lap and expect her to just carry the conversation like I see most guys do when they try this
Complements are fine as openers but they have to leave her an opportunity to talk about herself. Don't complement her eye color, complement her glasses or eye shadow color... something she actively chose to express herself through. That shows your trying to get to know her, not random_blue_eyed_chick_15. Also it's easy to link to other things throughout the outfit, easy kino and ability to flow through numerous topics she will most likely really invest in telling you about.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First paragraph good, 2nd paragraph overthink.
[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just think it's cheesy to tell a girl she's cute who might not deserve the compliment in the first place
Of course. There is no reason you tell a girl you are not attracted to that she is cute. You can't lie. Girls have a good sense of intuition... so their BS detector works pretty well. That's why I say... that they can tell, almost from the start, what your intentions are.
If you want to move slow and steady... as long as you stay steady, you could be fine... but also could just be dragging things out longer then it needs to be.
I am confused though, on when, exactly you do make your intentions known to girl you just met, who you are interested in?
"We're having a thing at my place tonight if you'd like to swing by with some friends for some free beer or what not" versus "I think you're cute. I would like to get to know you, etc."
With this approach, you risk the girl showing up with a guy she likes... or hooking up with someone at the party... instead of her showing up because you expressed some interest in her...
[–]Veganerix1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm German, so this is translated. Two days ago I have sent a risky sexual text to a girl and she sent back a voice message on Whatsapp and she said: Wao, you just made a fool out of yourself. So I think to myself, well she's probably not really into me, and continue with my day. I listened to that message later again and, blame on me, she actually said: Wao, you really made me laugh. (Wao, du hast dich grade zum Affen gemacht -> Wao, du hast mich grade zum lachen gebracht) So, she is probably into me... I got two plausible reactions from that same voice message.
Schrödingers-Cringe: Any polarizing action might invoke a positive or negative reaction independent of you.
[–]_MysticFox points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you're congruent it can work on younger girls.
Just opening is bold and even rare--no matter how you open. Boldness isn't worth a whole lot unless they know that you're cool, though. Bold can be horrifying and awkward.
I think that females, as they thrive on mystery and uncertainty, respond better to vague cues rather than direct ones. For example, "We're having a thing at my place tonight if you'd like to swing by with some friends for some free beer or what not" versus "I think you're cute. I would like to get to know you, etc."
[–]tbonemcmotherfuck0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just skip to his "high-five" suggestion. That gets em everytime!
[–]QueenDOfBitches14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I can tell you that this will come off far to aggressive with most women and you'll probably scare her off. Start off with a compliment yes, but don't immediately go for something sexual. She'll probably slap you than listen to anything else you have to say.
[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
She'll probably slap you than listen to anything else you have to say
I've never been slapped for telling a girl she is cute. Have you actually been slapped?
[–]QueenDOfBitches33 points34 points35 points 9 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link
I'm totally thinking dirty thoughts right now
Yeah... that'll totally end well.
Edit: the amount of faith you guys put in some random advice on the Internet is probably why you need dating advice.
[–]GeneralDogsbody20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This sounds like the sort of line that's been delivered with 'some' success on an internet chat room and you think it'll translate to the real world.
Everything about this is cringe.
[–]QueenDOfBitches1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah. Somebody says this shit to me and I'd pepper spray them. No question.
[–]talltexan1234563 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I met this girl while I was floating the river a few days ago and aggressive and risky moves had me eating her pussy just hours later. Risky moves will help you know pretty quickly if she's interested or not. Keeps you from wasting time too.
[–]GeneralDogsbody2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's all about context, timing, and risk. I'm guessing this wasn't part of your introduction.
[–]rtyrty151 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, this guy is not the guy he's pretending to be on here. If you went up to a girl and said half the shit hes saying here to them they would just think you're a freak.
This is the equivalent of a retail sales manager trying to spruike his sales tactics to his teenaged cashiers with unwarranted enthusiasm.
Tolerated, and largely ignored. Somehow still thinks he's important.
[–]LibertyIsNotFree0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I've said similar or even far more explicit things to nearly every woman I've had sex with, before we had sex.
[–]QueenDOfBitches-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
And you've had sex with how many girls? 2? I'm telling you right now that I (and every woman that I know) would be repulsed rather than attracted if a guy approached us like this. Don't act like you've tried this and it worked every time. That's just bullshit.
[–]LibertyIsNotFree1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Depending where you draw the lines between 50 and 100.
I'm presently far far far more selective than my college and several years after era.
In some ways its kind of even hard to admit that number. But I can't change the past, I only control my future. I've had plenty of cheap sex, it's amusing but it eventually loses alot of its luster.
Lastly I always have a hard rule that alcohol will not be involved prior to sex for the first time. The only exceptions I've ever had to that were when I've known a person for weeks or longer. There is just way too much that can go wrong for a man who makes intoxicated hook ups. I don't do bar or club hook ups, I also seek to never have one night stands. (not that several haven't occured anyway for various reasons)
Edit: also I never said nor implied that it works all the time. I said that it applied to nearly every woman I've had sex with. I also never said I go from 0 to 120, double entendres and puns to start. If reaction is reciprocal, escalation occurs. If response is flat, that was usually the end of talking to her.
Shit i'd actually be alarmed if it was some magic ticket.
Lastly, lastly, I'm a bdsm dominant. I seek partners who are somewhat submissive or open to it atleast on some levels. The only way to know this is to be direct on sexual dialog before things occur. I don't want incompatible partners, I had plenty of those in college and they're barely fun.
[–]QueenDOfBitches-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
So apparently your college learns were filled with more sex than education considering that was rhetorical but hey! Way to humble brag. Totally not cringe.
[–]LibertyIsNotFree2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
You straight up called me out, even with insults on top. I responded with candor and no malice.
You continue with insults. Stop being a cunt.
I went to an engineering school. I was able to balance both education and fun. My career today is very successful. If I was going to humble brag I would bring up my sports cars modern and antique I own, my house with pool and so on. So there's what you allege. Notice how that didn't occur previously.
[–]QueenDOfBitches-2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
See, here's the thing. If I insulted you, you'd know it.
The fact that you feel the need to brag to to some random on the Internet about your sexual habits and then your supposed successes says a lot about you.
Scroll through any cringe community, and you'll see the exact behaviour there that you're displaying right now.
Notice how I didn't bother making it personal previously? It can get personal. Or, you can act like the adult you supposedly are and end the conversation the way you should have 2 comments ago.
The Internet is full of cunts, get over it. You can't expect people to take you seriously when you reply to an obviously sarcastic comment with a brag about how much sex you have. You especially can't ask people to not take the mickey out of you when you act like an entitled shit who can't take a fucking hint.
(Since you obviously don't get it, I'll lay it out for you. Stop reply and giving me more shit to work with. I could go on for hours. And believe me, you haven't seen me act like a cunt yet.)
[–]LibertyIsNotFree2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wtf are you talking about. You opened with alleging I've had sex with 2 females as a direct insult to both my masculinity and to my authenticity.
Get bent.
[–]claydn11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Gold post. By the way, I'm very much interested in improving my text game. :)
[–]PixeLeaf-1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Me too, how do I PM from the reddit app?
Go to their profile then click the speech bubble. It should open up a message screen with that user.
[–]caporal2474 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I liked the whole post,number 2 felt more like a creep proof guide though
Why wouldn't you keep female friends for socialproof?
[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
If you want female friends, then by all means, act differently. But sometimes, you are just looking for something else...
How does one act to friendzone a female
[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You keep the flirting to a minimum, and almost no escalation or physical contact.
So you do all the same things you would as a man, you lead, you setup fun and interesting things to do, you act bold and confident. You just keep anything overly sexual to a minimum.
So there's no middle ground for flirty friends? Could be used for preselection if a chick is all over you.
There is always a grey area. Sometimes you are "just friends" with someone you are indeed interested in. Sometimes the opposite is true, and she likes the guy more. And in those situations, yes, the flirting might be a bit strong, in both directions. But flirting alone will not cause anything to happen, you need the physical escalation to seal the deal.
I've had girls, who were friends, that were interested in me, that I just was not into. I always had to keep the physical contact in check.
[–]askmrcia0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Female friends? No
Female acquaintances? Yes
[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I actually have a bunch of girls, who I am not sexually attracted to, who I consider my friends. So yes, I am not so shallow that I can't be friends with someone just because they are a girl.
And...I have have been setup, more then once, by some of my female friends, with other girls, some who just wanted to hook up, and others that wanted more.
So I have benefited greatly from having friends who are girls.
I won't even mention my lesbian girl friends... that might just be too much of a concept for some people to handle.
[–]askmrcia0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nope I have lesbian friends too. I too have plenty of female acquaintances that hook me up with their friends. But they're acquaintances, not friends.
[–]MetalliMunk2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm a fan of the "Brad Pitt Rule" when it comes to a girl claiming to be too busy. If some famous celebrity was asking her to hang out, she would clear basically everything on her schedule to be able to be with them.
For example, if you ask her if she has plans Saturday night, and she replies back either yes or that she's busy, if she's interested in you, she will say "I can't, BUT, I'm free on this day, etc.." She will prompt for a different day. If she ends with just I'm Busy, odds aren't looking good.
Take away: If a girl doesn't give alternative date options, you're not enough of a pull.
[–]tjwplans2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All of your post is great except for Number 2. That honestly just seems cringy saying stuff like that and borderline creepy. But that's just me.
[–]newls2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep this is pretty much the polarisation strategy that Mark Manson talks about in Models. You force a woman to get off the fence and make a decision about whether she likes you or not. If she becomes receptive, great go ahead and advance. If she becomes unreceptive, then move on, because she wouldn't have made you happy anyway.
If she's 'fuck yes' then you are both going to enjoy the interaction and escalation. If she is unreceptive, rejection hurts but why would you want to dedicate time to someone who doesn't appreciate you?
The polarisation strategy helps to maximise happiness in both parties and save your time.
[–]tbonemcmotherfuck2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So can I go straight from high-five to fingerfucking? Or maybe at the same time?
[–]aswjacob[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Both bro, keep it interesting.
[–]TrogRP2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
One kino idea that I've used before is swapping glasses (or wearing the other person's). Both the other chick and I were wearing glasses, it came up in conversation, and I said "let me try yours on" and we kept them on for at least an hour following. It's original fun, comforting, and intimate.
[–]BinaryResult2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I dont understand, why was the body text removed? I was saving this to read today and now it's gone :(
never say this. never compliment a woman any time except immediately after sex.
[–]30fretibanezguy1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're finding yourself unable to find a way to start kino, tell her you can read palms. Guaranteed touch, plus you can escalate easily, telling her her palms say she's a 'freak in the sheets' kind of girl or something.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You can still easily get LJBF after the first line.
"I thought you were cute and had to come say hello"
"Aww you're sweet, I have a boyfriend though. But we can still be friends!"
has happened to me before.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fart in her face and just walk away smirking.
[–]kergeshken1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the best advice in the thread
Lol and then you just walk away?
"Sweet (fake enthusiasm), lets get drinks sometime, you don't have to tell your boyfriend, can I get your number?"
[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If you want to improve your conversation skills and text game I have free guides that I'm giving away. Shoot me a pm and I will send it to you
I'm seeing these with all these posts. I do hope you're not just selling PUA courses
[–]aswjacob[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nope. Its free material. Im selling nothing.
[–]ModeratorPaperStreetVilla1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So why in private? Other could learn from it I'm surr
Too long, 50 plus pages of free content.
[–]aswjacob[S] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats actually a good thing! She did you a favor by not wasting your time. On to the next one.
[–]X-Trem0 points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Bwahahahaha You gotta be f*&%$ kidding me right? I mean, this is supposed to be a joke, right? I mean... really?
[–]1z1z2x2x3c3c4v4v1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Really. Its a solid plan, and it works. What part do you find unbelievable?
The fact that somebody do believe that going to a woman, whomever she might be, being, direct, stating your intentions and the rest of those steps and it will bring you anywhere...
I reject your "reality", but it would be a nice alternative reality to live in.
It is a nice reality, that I, and many other guys, enjoy. It is truth and freedom my friend.
So then why are you here, if you reject the Red Pill methodologies?
They work bro, if you can just muster the confidence and assertiveness...
You can ask most girls if they are attracted to a man who is passive and indirect, or confident, bold, and direct with what he wants. They will tell you themselves... if you have the courage to ask...
[–]Cool_Mob points points points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Sign me up for the freebies
[–]SmilingWatermelon0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I really like this post. Another reminder to not beat around the bush. I also like those lines, I hope you don't mind if I use them lol.
You're spot on with everything. Fellas decide what you want, a friend? Or a fuck? Pick.
Thanks bro. Beat up the bush, not around it LOL. Use them all you want, feel free. I appreciate the support.
[–]Moctezuma10 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
A year ago, my relationship ended. It has been hard getting back into the game. It has changed dramatically since I last was single 18 years ago. There is so much to learn. Luckily I'm the type to goes for it even after rejection. I have been "dating" for a few months now. To be honest, the ones I'm not interested in, I get a lot of play. But there have been 2 that I really wanted to get to know at a different level... Well one put me in the friendzone, so I think, after I told her I wanted to pursue a more. That was over. But currently trying to pursue someone new I met.
Now here is where I need advice. There's this highly attractive woman I met recently...3 months ago at work. I immediately showed interest in her. We first flirted back and forth innocently. She's 8 years older than me but doesn't look it. She is attractive and has a good personality. At first, no lie, I just wanted to have sex and nothing else. But now that I had gotten to know her a little better, I would like more. I have told her my intentions. We text and have talked sexually. Recently she came to my house and I ended up kissing on her neck, and caressing her breast...but she did not want to kiss. She says because she recently filed for divorced 5 months ago to a cheating spouse, it's still fresh. She isn't trying to get involved with anyone but is interested in me. She says she wants to take it slow.
Here is what I'm dealing with: She doesn't text me unless I text her. She has flaked on me 3 times. She wants to be discrete, which I'm OK with that. She tells me she likes me but doesn't want me to only want her for sex, but not ready for a relationship either.
How do I approach without ending up looking to needy?
[–]LibertyIsNotFree1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Honestly it sounds like she has too much baggage.
Probably the cut off is the only move. Directly tell her you're interested but her past is holding her back from moving forward. You aren't going to sit back and wait around for when it's convenient.
Keep it short and direct. If you go this route you can't just randomly text her or hit on her a few days later. You need to make it clear you were serious and are done.
Either she ends becoming the pursuer or things are truly done.
The alternative is the full court press which would probably be successful. But you risk that turning into "you took advantage of me while I was emotionally vulnerable" and at worst turns into legal issues, especially if it gets paired with alcohol and/or drugs.
[–]Moctezuma11 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I think you're right. Thanks for sharing.
[–]LibertyIsNotFree0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Just don't use the word baggage anywhere in that discussion. That won't go over well, even if that's really what it is.
Also you mentioned work in your post. The full court press has alot of chance to produce career blowback whether the press is successful or not.
[–]Questionnaire70 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What is the full court press?
[–]LibertyIsNotFree0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Very very strongly advocating to spend time together, and more specifically at your home alone with her. And calling out all the excuses and pushing more.
[–]Questionnaire70 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Excuses like her saying she needs to get up early the next day? What type of excuses?
[–]LibertyIsNotFree0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That she's still recovering from her break up. That's an excuse. It's the truth but using that in the way she did was purely a 'get out of making decisions'.
OP is pretty much one step away from becoming an orbiter, from letting her use that.
Ways that you can counter it. You're an adult. You're letting the actions of a person who harmed you control your life. Framing that her waffling and inaction is making her beholden to her ex. That moving forward is the only way you put it behind you.
As I said in my other posts it's a high risk play, especially involving a workplace, and becomes even higher risk if drugs and/or alcohol get combined with it. Morning after regret can carry heavy consequences for men. Especially if a woman can drum up one single witness to say she was "too drunk"
[–]forgotPassThenThis0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"If she agrees to go to your place, you already have a half of your dick inside."
Totally agree but a lot of guys still fuck up at that point lol but you are correct.
[–]DadOnDabs0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is good at going into detail but for a simple method know what you want and take the path to get it. Most of attraction is physical with sprinkles of verbal game. If you have a tone that you are here to fuck and she gives off a vibe you know she isn't interested just next her. That's how you wind up with the LJBF speech. Since I've started red pill I've never gotten that speech.
[–]Pepe_Waifu0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol cringing at this. some of your phrasing "you will get sex" or "make her rub my hard dick" is making me geek. this is great
[–]potato-stache0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks man, I am going to Bali again soon and there will be hoards (well, all year round actually lol) of Aussies and European tourist chicks around. Likely will work in that situation as they mostly either holding beer, having a good time at the beach and bars. I remember I got a few stares from them while in the cafe beach and reggae bar, but i was pussy to approach them. Better buck up my confidence this time
PUA is one of the cores of TRP. Where do you think the sexual strategy theory comes from?
[–]Kingern0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pity, I was saving this one to read it later
[–]max_potential_0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I agree for the most part, but I will say this: sometimes a woman genuinely saying she wants to be friends is a little good.
If she says she wants to be friends and means it, if you don't want that be honest, but actually wanting friendship is at least an indication that she feels comfortable talking to you and doesn't find you horrendous or thinks you are threatening her sexually.
I usually say "yes", if I hit on her and she says she wants friendship. After that, I disappear completely. And if she starts talking to me and asking me for shit, I'll say something like "I need some space." It gives you so much power this way, subconsciously framing her as if she's chasing you but she made the wrong moves and you won't tolerate that.
It's just a difference in style: I just think it's fuckboy to say "Ew no, I don't wanna be your friend. I only fuck females, that's it." Just say "yes" to being friends and then go completely ghost: I think it's smarter and more confident.
That's my two cents.
[–]askmrcia0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but actually wanting friendship is at least an indication that she feels comfortable talking to you and doesn't find you horrendous or thinks you are threatening her sexually.
You're wrong. Maybe you don't know what an actual friend is. Women are fine being or remaining an acquaintance, but they don't want to be your ACTUAL friend.
If they want you as a friend, they are using you. They are spending time with you because they are bored and have no one else to talk too. Or you are giving her gifts and attention that she isn't getting elseware. That's not a friend. She's using you.
Now an acquaintance is different and its totally fine to be an acquaintance with women. I have plenty of women acquaintances that invite me to parties, brunches, play softball, and other social events. Those are acquaintances NOT friends.
I usually say "yes", if I hit on her and she says she wants friendship. After that, I disappear completely.
That's not a friendship lol
[–]max_potential_0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do have one female friend who's legitimately a friend who I met through college. It's a mutual friendship, and we'll help each other out whenever we ask (we have similar life goals). We talk about books, politics, art, etc. It's extremely rare, but some female-male friendships can work, if the girl is an actual hardworking, educated, and good person. I also enjoy hearing the female perspective on things and get into the female mind. This girl has been my good friend for four years now, and I don't see that changing. It works out because though she's pretty, I'm not particularly attracted to her and really don't give a damn whether she fucks me or not.
Don't get me wrong, sex is great, but it's not the #1 thing on my mind every second I'm talking to a female if she's actually educated and thoughtful. I've also found that friendships with lesbians can be pretty good, as well.
But yeah I've gotta agree with you: in my life, except for that one specific case, most of these females are pure acquaintances. And you're right, it's not "friendship" when I disappear, but I mean that at least I know if I ask her for a favor (a lot of these females I meet at work or in class) she'll come through, and I might do the same for her if I feel she's come through for me in the past.
The Red Pill is beautiful knowledge, but I feel sometimes men get enveloped by its rage and forget that women are people too; we just differ by our 23rd chromosome. Be honest and avoid bullshit, but they're human fucking beings.
IMO it's only worth even considering saying yes if you've already established there truly is some genuine interest overlap. Suppose you both like rock climbing or kayaking, that actually has some purpose of platonic interaction.
If you don't even know a person enough to know there's a genuine overlap, no reason to even bother.
Why would you want to be a friend with someone who has no relevance to your life?
[–]max_potential_1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's true.
I suppose for me, friend me something else. It just means there's mutual respect and we will help each other out (say, let someone borrow my notes if they miss class). Doesn't go beyond that for me.
School / campus friends are alot easier to have. I strongly recommend have as many as possible, it leads to lots more fun times.
Life after school is alot more boring and takes alot more effort to coordinate activities when everyone has jobs and/or kids. Also it's very common for people to have to work 1.5 jobs or more in the post neo-depression economy.
"Ew no, I don't wanna be your friend. I only fuck females, that's it." Just say "yes" to being friends and then go completely ghost: I think it's smarter and more confident.
That also follows the 48 rules of power with not burning bridges
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Precisely! You can simply keep your distance from a female you're attracted to but doesn't wanna bang. You gain nothing in life by being a rude jerk and burning bridges.
I agree. Im currently in a situation like that with my oneitis. I thought after I was getting laid again (after 4.5 years since last) that regard about her would drift away, but nope. She was in a dream of mine still the other day. I refuse to be friends with a girl that represents that to me. I feel sorry for her we didn't bang and still be able to see each other.
Oh, man. I've had oneitis so bad in the past. I'm very susceptible to it.
In cases of oneitis, I find it almost impossible to be friends. Getting laid never made oneitis go away for me (despite conventional Red Pill knowledge), only when I met someone I liked more. Last time it took 3 years of putting myself out there and meeting new girls before I met someone I liked a lot and basically my oneitis transferred over to her.
With those cases, I'll tell the girl, "honestly, I just feel too much for you. Let's keep our distance, unless you want something romantic with me." Usually they understand.
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Can confirm, how I met my wife
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Probably the most direct and golden truth I've read here in awhile. Good post!
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Thanks brother. Appreciate the support.
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