Friend Zone Proof Yourself - Guaranteed

harsha_hs · 2017-07-05T11:06:46+00:00

Women love honesty and directness. This also shows off your confidence.

I saw you and I thought you were (cute, sexy, etc) and I had to come say hello

This says a lot of things about you to her immediately.

You have balls and not intimidated by her.
You don't care if she rejects you because you're not making much effort to impress her.
You're a confident man with some options.
She doesn't need to think if you have any ulterior motives because you made it clear about your intentions

Let me go on further to say, whatever sexytimes I had in my life is by asking directly and not by giving flowers in hope of getting sex.

Entropy-7 · 2017-07-05T07:26:29+00:00

This IME is largely good advice as long as you are not getting all grabby-grabby until the appropriate moment.

An aspect of frame control is to set the stage for how the relationship is going to play out. Being friendly is not the same as being friends (or - ferkrisake - being "just friends"). You have to put sex on the table no later than half-way though the first date, even if you don't act on it.

(Note: there are exceptions and if anyone cares, I can describe in more detail how it took me 2 years or more to get into particular sets of panties, but the rough count is an even breakdown among 1st Date, Second Date and 3rd Date sex.)

FatGirlsInPartyHats · 2017-07-05T13:36:28+00:00

Guys, seriously. Don't use those example statement of interests. They're gonna fall flat. If we're cringing, they're cringing.

vengefully_yours · 2017-07-05T13:55:51+00:00

“I’m totally thinking dirty thoughts right now

I’m too attracted to you right now please get away from me

Stop trying to seduce me

Please don’t smile your turning me on

I’m so tempted to make out with you right now but I’m going to make you wait

Damn your game sucks.

You're not wrong about how to not get the friends bullshit, but these statements are weak frame and don't exude confidence. I'm not great looking, not tall as I'm only 5'8 and get rejected on height often. Yet I say far more direct and uncompromising shit to girls all the time. It works. Either I act or I tell her what to do. Show me your tits. Simple, direct, to the point.

Now I do this with girls who I know are attracted to me, and I know they are by reading their body language. Girls invite you to act by their actions. I don't walk up to a girl who has never seen me before and tell her to pop her tits out. Don't be a sperg.

Use innuendo and double entendre to get her thinking about fucking if she does only moderate interest or if your cold approaching. If you don't know what that is, go look it up, I'll wait. You can get her rolling the way you want her to within minutes of meeting her. It can be a comment that leads her to think you're going to eat get pussy, but without saying it. Overtly sexual but has a completely non sexual connotation as well, e.g. double entendre. Sometimes the direct tits or gtfo will work, other times innuendo and double entendre are the best choice. You don't hunt rabbits with a Barret .50 semi auto or a Browning M2. Rabbits you use small calibers, like a .22. Use the right tool.

Never use weak and supplicating bullshit like please don't smile and I'm tempted to make out with you. Holy fuck that kind of shit dries vagina around here.

meh613 · 2017-07-05T07:06:06+00:00

Hmm.. I've always thought of it as follows:

If a woman LJBFs me, it's because I wasn't up-front with my intentions with her -- i.e. was hiding the fact that I wanted to fuck her ASAP.

SLMC1 · 2017-07-05T10:05:40+00:00

“I saw you and I thought you were (cute, sexy, etc) and I had to come say hello.”

In what setting? I just got home from a house party where the girls were late teens early 20s and to use the line above would have been cringeworthy unless done in some kind of weird anti-PUA jest. Any girl I might have said that to would have thought, immediately, "Oh my God we have a loser on our hands." Maybe I'm misapplying your advice here.

In public/daygame, I think it's unwise, again, to start with a compliment. It works on average girls but not girls that are so used to male attention that being complimented is almost an insult "Fuck off, I'm pretty sure I know I'm hot shit you moron."

Conversation pieces seem to work better, even highly meaningless ones.

"Are we technically in downtown?"

"Where'd you get your hammock?"

"Is that a good book?"

"You should definitely go with the Ben and Jerrys."

Etc.

QueenDOfBitches · 2017-07-05T10:24:50+00:00

I can tell you that this will come off far to aggressive with most women and you'll probably scare her off. Start off with a compliment yes, but don't immediately go for something sexual. She'll probably slap you than listen to anything else you have to say.

claydn · 2017-07-05T07:40:02+00:00

Gold post. By the way, I'm very much interested in improving my text game. :)

caporal247 · 2017-07-05T09:05:42+00:00

I liked the whole post,number 2 felt more like a creep proof guide though

_MysticFox · 2017-07-05T11:16:50+00:00

Why wouldn't you keep female friends for socialproof?

MetalliMunk · 2017-07-05T14:36:14+00:00

I'm a fan of the "Brad Pitt Rule" when it comes to a girl claiming to be too busy. If some famous celebrity was asking her to hang out, she would clear basically everything on her schedule to be able to be with them.

For example, if you ask her if she has plans Saturday night, and she replies back either yes or that she's busy, if she's interested in you, she will say "I can't, BUT, I'm free on this day, etc.." She will prompt for a different day. If she ends with just I'm Busy, odds aren't looking good.

Take away: If a girl doesn't give alternative date options, you're not enough of a pull.

tjwplans · 2017-07-05T13:24:39+00:00

All of your post is great except for Number 2. That honestly just seems cringy saying stuff like that and borderline creepy. But that's just me.

newls · 2017-07-05T18:13:17+00:00

Yep this is pretty much the polarisation strategy that Mark Manson talks about in Models. You force a woman to get off the fence and make a decision about whether she likes you or not. If she becomes receptive, great go ahead and advance. If she becomes unreceptive, then move on, because she wouldn't have made you happy anyway.

If she's 'fuck yes' then you are both going to enjoy the interaction and escalation. If she is unreceptive, rejection hurts but why would you want to dedicate time to someone who doesn't appreciate you?

The polarisation strategy helps to maximise happiness in both parties and save your time.

tbonemcmotherfuck · 2017-07-05T20:17:47+00:00

So can I go straight from high-five to fingerfucking? Or maybe at the same time?

TrogRP · 2017-07-06T02:59:01+00:00

One kino idea that I've used before is swapping glasses (or wearing the other person's). Both the other chick and I were wearing glasses, it came up in conversation, and I said "let me try yours on" and we kept them on for at least an hour following. It's original fun, comforting, and intimate.

BinaryResult · 2017-07-06T14:10:26+00:00

I dont understand, why was the body text removed? I was saving this to read today and now it's gone :(

the-capitan · 2017-07-05T11:52:32+00:00

I’m too attracted to you right now please get away from me

never say this. never compliment a woman any time except immediately after sex.

30fretibanezguy · 2017-07-05T12:47:12+00:00

If you're finding yourself unable to find a way to start kino, tell her you can read palms. Guaranteed touch, plus you can escalate easily, telling her her palms say she's a 'freak in the sheets' kind of girl or something.

gstvtrp · 2017-07-05T15:50:56+00:00

You can still easily get LJBF after the first line.

"I thought you were cute and had to come say hello"

"Aww you're sweet, I have a boyfriend though. But we can still be friends!"

has happened to me before.

PaperStreetVilla · 2017-07-05T16:18:21+00:00

If you want to improve your conversation skills and text game I have free guides that I'm giving away. Shoot me a pm and I will send it to you

I'm seeing these with all these posts. I do hope you're not just selling PUA courses

X-Trem0 · 2017-07-05T11:18:25+00:00

Bwahahahaha You gotta be f*&%$ kidding me right? I mean, this is supposed to be a joke, right? I mean... really?

Cool_Mob · Wed Jul 5 9:58:33 2017 UTC

Sign me up for the freebies

SmilingWatermelon · 2017-07-05T12:22:06+00:00

I really like this post. Another reminder to not beat around the bush. I also like those lines, I hope you don't mind if I use them lol.

You're spot on with everything. Fellas decide what you want, a friend? Or a fuck? Pick.

Moctezuma1 · 2017-07-05T14:47:37+00:00

A year ago, my relationship ended. It has been hard getting back into the game. It has changed dramatically since I last was single 18 years ago. There is so much to learn. Luckily I'm the type to goes for it even after rejection. I have been "dating" for a few months now. To be honest, the ones I'm not interested in, I get a lot of play. But there have been 2 that I really wanted to get to know at a different level... Well one put me in the friendzone, so I think, after I told her I wanted to pursue a more. That was over. But currently trying to pursue someone new I met.

Now here is where I need advice. There's this highly attractive woman I met recently...3 months ago at work. I immediately showed interest in her. We first flirted back and forth innocently. She's 8 years older than me but doesn't look it. She is attractive and has a good personality. At first, no lie, I just wanted to have sex and nothing else. But now that I had gotten to know her a little better, I would like more. I have told her my intentions. We text and have talked sexually. Recently she came to my house and I ended up kissing on her neck, and caressing her breast...but she did not want to kiss. She says because she recently filed for divorced 5 months ago to a cheating spouse, it's still fresh. She isn't trying to get involved with anyone but is interested in me. She says she wants to take it slow.

Here is what I'm dealing with: She doesn't text me unless I text her. She has flaked on me 3 times. She wants to be discrete, which I'm OK with that. She tells me she likes me but doesn't want me to only want her for sex, but not ready for a relationship either.

How do I approach without ending up looking to needy?

forgotPassThenThis · 2017-07-05T16:54:16+00:00

"If she agrees to go to your place, you already have a half of your dick inside."

DadOnDabs · 2017-07-05T16:58:32+00:00

This is good at going into detail but for a simple method know what you want and take the path to get it. Most of attraction is physical with sprinkles of verbal game. If you have a tone that you are here to fuck and she gives off a vibe you know she isn't interested just next her. That's how you wind up with the LJBF speech. Since I've started red pill I've never gotten that speech.

Pepe_Waifu · 2017-07-05T17:53:47+00:00

lol cringing at this. some of your phrasing "you will get sex" or "make her rub my hard dick" is making me geek. this is great

potato-stache · 2017-07-06T01:16:09+00:00

Thanks man, I am going to Bali again soon and there will be hoards (well, all year round actually lol) of Aussies and European tourist chicks around. Likely will work in that situation as they mostly either holding beer, having a good time at the beach and bars. I remember I got a few stares from them while in the cafe beach and reggae bar, but i was pussy to approach them. Better buck up my confidence this time

swaglordobama · 2017-07-06T11:58:32+00:00

PUA is one of the cores of TRP. Where do you think the sexual strategy theory comes from?

Kingern · 2017-07-08T14:14:45+00:00

Pity, I was saving this one to read it later

max_potential_ · 2017-07-05T15:13:56+00:00

I agree for the most part, but I will say this: sometimes a woman genuinely saying she wants to be friends is a little good.

If she says she wants to be friends and means it, if you don't want that be honest, but actually wanting friendship is at least an indication that she feels comfortable talking to you and doesn't find you horrendous or thinks you are threatening her sexually.

I usually say "yes", if I hit on her and she says she wants friendship. After that, I disappear completely. And if she starts talking to me and asking me for shit, I'll say something like "I need some space." It gives you so much power this way, subconsciously framing her as if she's chasing you but she made the wrong moves and you won't tolerate that.

It's just a difference in style: I just think it's fuckboy to say "Ew no, I don't wanna be your friend. I only fuck females, that's it." Just say "yes" to being friends and then go completely ghost: I think it's smarter and more confident.

That's my two cents.

zanzabar209 · 2017-07-05T09:53:45+00:00

Can confirm, how I met my wife

ObviouslyGenius · 2017-07-05T13:20:24+00:00

Probably the most direct and golden truth I've read here in awhile. Good post!

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